/tg/Station 13

Buying terrible shuttles

Allowed, but the crew is also allowed to mutiny/lynch

Addendum: Buying (bad shuttles) when the crew is saving up for a more expensive shuttle or has agreed to make a BYOS could be cause for mutiny.

Clarification: Inciting a lynch mob and defending yourself lethally is self-antagging. Non-lethal self defense is generally fine, in the same vein as resisting a valid arrest.

It's less about which shuttle someone buys, and more the grief caused by buying that specific one. The Birdboat Shuttle isn't a traditional "grief" shuttle, but buying it when the crew is saving up for a more expensive shuttle or has agreed to make a BYOS could be cause for mutiny. Shuttles that are emag-locked are typically used to grief the crew, as are the Arena and cult shuttles.

This thread brought up a lot of valid points.

It made me realize that I plainly dislike grief shuttles on a fundamental / game level,
but that's an issue with the codebase itself, and it's not worth attempting to handle administratively due to this nature.

As a result, we've decided to revert the ruling back to its prior form, with some very minor tweaks for clarification's sake.

In summation:
Buying a grief shuttle is allowed, but lynchable / liable to mutiny.
Buying a shuttle when most of the station has agreed to another shuttle (such as BYOS) may be cause for mutiny.
Inciting a lynch mob and defending yourself lethally is self-antagging. Non-lethal self defense is generally fine, in the same vein as resisting a valid arrest.
Buying a grief shuttle when the station / the pods are destroyed is a dick move and may also get you in trouble with admins.
This policy may expand beyond the captain as well, obviously, and serves as a general "grief shuttle" guideline.

Fikou wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 8:59 pmL

Fikou wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 8:59 pmL

NamelessFairy wrote: Personally I already consider it a grief shuttle worthy of killing whoever bought it. If it didn't carry the risk of being executed for buying it it'd end up being bought even more often than it already is since it nullifies or greatly reduces the risk for a large portion of antagonists for a extremely low price.

MooCow12 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 10:55 pm I dont know why everyone here keeps saying "its 500 credits' 500 credits doesnt delete the magic anti teleport zone that the luxury shuttle has or allows you to take your pets to the front of the shuttle, the 500 credit cost is the least of your fucking worries.

Farquaar wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 12:57 am

MooCow12 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 10:55 pm I dont know why everyone here keeps saying "its 500 credits' 500 credits doesnt delete the magic anti teleport zone that the luxury shuttle has or allows you to take your pets to the front of the shuttle, the 500 credit cost is the least of your fucking worries.

Step 1: Get dog crate
Step 2: Drag pet into dog crate
Step 3: Carry dog crate onto shuttle

Skill issue

MooCow12 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 1:24 am you cant fit most cytology mobs into a dog crate and given many of them take alot of effort to make thats a pretty big nono that you cant keep them with you, they are literally your prize possession what you spent 40+ minutes going between departments to make.

MooCow12 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 10:55 pm It already does make you valid for lynching because its a powergamer shuttle that limits EVERYONE such that it can prevent antagonists from using some of their abilities.

I dont know why everyone here keeps saying "its 500 credits' 500 credits doesnt delete the magic anti teleport zone that the luxury shuttle has or allows you to take your pets to the front of the shuttle, the 500 credit cost is the least of your fucking worries.


If you are a xenobiologist making pets or cytologist making cytology mobs or roboticist making borgs/posibrain mechs you 100% have every right to lynch whoever buys the shuttle.



Unironically, luxury shuttle can be bought to hard counter nukies (cant blow it up), malf ai, kudzu, spiders, xenos, void heretic spells (their teleport abilities dont work on shuttle so pretty much your entire kit that is designed around combat is useless), cultists (teleport hand and rune doesnt work anywhere on the shuttle so you cant use it to gather more sacrifices for last minute summon), experimental teleporter (traitor item) and probably more im missing.


TLDR: Its not the paywall, 500 credits isnt that much, its the mechanics that force the paywall or the lack of ability for certain types of entities to even be able to pay.

bastardblaster wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 9:33 pm

Fikou wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 8:59 pmL

• Having a sparse shuttle that you have to purchase amenities in.
• Ensmallening the "rich" section further (I don't really like this because I think having an imprenetrable-anything is so injurious to what I like about this sandbox game)