Oranges Future Stun Baton Red Alert, agains't rules to set red alert?

[Hoolny]

With a new upcoming feature by our loved and hated Oranges/optimumtact a new feature is coming making stun batons only stun while in red alert PR being this one: https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/73492


The new topic of discussion in policy within LRP rules being:

Is it agains't the rules to set the station's alert to Red round start for security officers to be able to use batons?

[Epoc]

there's no apostrophe in against

[sinfulbliss]

ETA to merge: 1 month~ (after feature freeze)
ETA to iron out workarounds that let it be easily circumvented: 1 month~

yeah once all that happens people will start red alerting to get around it. will probably be very hard to tell when they're doing it since you can red alert over plenty of things on LRP in good conscience

still this is like 2 months down the line

[TheFinalPotato]

S freeze exempt, we would otherwise not allow any feature work during a freeze

[Unoki]

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[Pandarsenic]

The era of the justified harmbaton is upon us and I'm here for it

[BeeSting12]

Also brings up the question of if someone resists arrest for something petty, is security allowed to harmbaton into submission?

[bastardblaster]

the batong is significantly weaker when you have friends, however this requires ss13 players to make friends

[Unsane]

I say we speedmerge it

[oranges]

Sorry for gaslighting you seth

[Hoolny]

I knew you were fucking around idk how people manage to defend this and argue with me over clear shit changes

good joke orange

[Unsane]

Oh, and I was just getting excited for it...

[RedBaronFlyer]

I knew you were fucking around idk how people manage to defend this and argue with me over clear shit changes

good joke orange

At this point I just take everyone 100% seriously because there's been two or three times now that I thought something was a joke and it turns out it was real.



Me reading the GitHub PRs and the changelogs.

[Vekter]

I don't think there's a ruling about this, but it's generally considered that you need a good reason to set red alert. "I want to use batons" is not a good reason.

[Turbonerd]

Rule 12 will already handle this. Decreasing RP quality (raising alert level without a valid reason) in order to powergame and make the game more boring violates this. Quite simple really .

[Pandarsenic]

Sorry for gaslighting you seth

Can we get this as a Funny Button or very rare Station Trait to see all hell break loose occasionally

[Nabski]

I don't think there's a ruling about this, but it's generally considered that you need a good reason to set red alert. "I want to use batons" is not a good reason.

I get an amber alert every two weeks when someone loses a kid. Why wouldn't you call for a red alert if there is a murderer on the run you need to apprehend. I would be pretty alerted if one of my coworkers was found dead.

[GPeckman]

I don't think there's a ruling about this, but it's generally considered that you need a good reason to set red alert. "I want to use batons" is not a good reason.

Is "I want to call the shuttle as early as possible because it's a greenshift" considered a good reason? Or is that something that should be ahelped?

[oranges]

Sorry for gaslighting you seth

Can we get this as a Funny Button or very rare Station Trait to see all hell break loose occasionally

There's no way to do it without hooking a bunch of procs in the stunbaton code so most likely no.

[BeeSting12]

I don't think there's a ruling about this, but it's generally considered that you need a good reason to set red alert. "I want to use batons" is not a good reason.

I get an amber alert every two weeks when someone loses a kid. Why wouldn't you call for a red alert if there is a murderer on the run you need to apprehend. I would be pretty alerted if one of my coworkers was found dead.

Yeah I feel like IRL if someone got murdered it would be up to code red. On ss13 it's just another day

[Vekter]

I don't think there's a ruling about this, but it's generally considered that you need a good reason to set red alert. "I want to use batons" is not a good reason.

Is "I want to call the shuttle as early as possible because it's a greenshift" considered a good reason? Or is that something that should be ahelped?

Any instance of red alerting for the sole purpose of getting the shuttle there faster without a valid reason should be ahelped.

Valid reasons include "alien infestation" and "nuke ops" or even "ascended heretic". Centcom reserves the right to cancel the shuttle call in any case.

[spookuni]

We don't feel the need to make any policy changes surrounding a joke PR that was quickly reverted

Spook: Close
Rave: Close
San: Close
Misdoubtful: Close