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MRP - Security And Using Contraband
Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2023 2:15 am
by Bmon
Hello gamers, it has come to my attention that security is once again allowed to use contraband against solo antagonists on our beloved TG MRP servers.
Manny wasn't always like this, back in the day
this policy thread mostly put an end to security using contraband against solo antags. I find this regress in our policy to be concerning, most other MRP servers do not allow their security teams to abuse contraband without a very serious threat to the station(round-ending threats usually) and I feel as if TG MRP should be the same way.
Re: MRP - Security And Using Contraband
Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2023 2:56 am
by Timberpoes
It's an individual judgement call by any given admin.
What I care about is the MRP Golden Rule:
If your action has a
valid IC or RP reasoning
based on events from the current shift, what you're doing is called roleplay and we need a little bit more of this.
I don't really care for an admin-mandated contraband cuck box where security staff must place and keep every single item unless there's no other option available.
To me that's like the opposite of emergent sandbox RP. Antags now meta-know that every antag item ever must be in the contraband locker because the admin team will ban anyone that doesn't play as prescribed in the tgstation MRP Admin Team Guide to Optimally Boring Play.
And I think the above take it's still
totally within the spirit of the original ruling you cited:
The contraband locker is intended for counter-play purposes.
Sec should make best efforts to store contraband quickly, and only use it when appropriate situations arise.
Wielding traitor gear during arrests threatens a sec officer's meta protections.
Re: MRP - Security And Using Contraband
Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2023 4:47 am
by Bmon
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 2:56 am
It's an individual judgement call by any given admin.
What I care about is the MRP Golden Rule:
If your action has a
valid IC or RP reasoning
based on events from the current shift, what you're doing is called roleplay and we need a little bit more of this.
I don't really care for an admin-mandated contraband cuck box where security staff must place and keep every single item unless there's no other option available.
To me that's like the opposite of emergent sandbox RP. Antags now meta-know that every antag item ever must be in the contraband locker because the admin team will ban anyone that doesn't play as prescribed in the tgstation MRP Admin Team Guide to Optimally Boring Play.
And I think the above take it's still
totally within the spirit of the original ruling you cited:
The contraband locker is intended for counter-play purposes.
Sec should make best efforts to store contraband quickly, and only use it when appropriate situations arise.
Wielding traitor gear during arrests threatens a sec officer's meta protections.
Read the whole thread and the context around that ruling. It's very clearly about abusing contraband from traitors and using it on non-round-ending threats.
Security is already well equipped and the overwhelming majority of people on MRP are actually doing their job making the life of a secoff even easier.
I expect security to do their job as MRP rules 3 tells them to, by activity breaking the law and abusing contraband they are going against this.
I don't want security to be running around with a de-sword because there is a traitor
somewhere and they've killed one person. Roleplay should not be used as a smokescreen to allow for the abuse of contraband because "I need to catch teh antag".
Re: MRP - Security And Using Contraband
Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2023 8:01 am
by Jackraxxus
This policy thread screams ided to me. The MRP rules exist to cultivate fun, not turn every role into a brainless same-y job-simulator.
I can't speak to the situation that caused OP to make this thread, but I feel that while security shouldn't be busting out the esword/ebow/no-slips/thermals against just any minor IC crime (On MRP), when they're facing a powerful (even solo) threat, especially one that has defeated (Either through killing, critting etc.) officers before, it is more than fair for them to grab their rightfully stolen traitor gamer gear to dispense justice.
Re: MRP - Security And Using Contraband
Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2023 10:11 am
by Turbonerd
Jackraxxus wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 8:01 am
This policy thread screams ided to me. The MRP rules exist to cultivate fun, not turn every role into a brainless same-y job-simulator.
I can't speak to the situation that caused OP to make this thread, but I feel that while security shouldn't be busting out the esword/ebow/no-slips/thermals against just any minor IC crime (On MRP), when they're facing a powerful (even solo) threat, especially one that has defeated (Either through killing, critting etc.) officers before, it is more than fair for them to grab their rightfully stolen traitor gamer gear to dispense justice.
But that's fail RP. Use the armoury instead if needed.
Re: MRP - Security And Using Contraband
Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2023 2:43 pm
by CMDR_Gungnir
It should absolutely be a case by case basis.
On MRP, we don't open the armoury just because we've seen a single heretic rift. But when that Heretic proves more than we can handle without, that's when it comes out.
The same should apply here. Contraband should only be used for situations that warrant it. Round-ending threats like nukies or a blob (or a dragon, imo, those things are vicious fuckers), or if you've already brought out the armoury against someone and it's still not enough. That's when escalating to the contraband locker might be justifiable.
Or if the Heretic ascends. All bets are off at that point.
Re: MRP - Security And Using Contraband
Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2023 3:26 pm
by Pandarsenic
1) Simply do not get killed by the contraband, skill issue
2) Whether someone uses contraband is a matter of RP appropriate to the threats facing the station and how much damage they've done compared to the strength of the station's resistance
Re: MRP - Security And Using Contraband
Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2023 3:40 am
by Vekter
I am perfectly fine with Sec using contraband when it makes sense to do so.
If Sec catches someone with a Syndicate radio chip, it makes perfect sense that they'd use that to listen in on what's going on. That's just logical. If Sec gets something like an e-bow and there's few and far between threats on the station, that should stay locked up.
Re: MRP - Security And Using Contraband
Posted: Tue May 23, 2023 2:15 pm
by Misdoubtful
The previous ruling is still in effect for this, and we particularly point at this part of it:
Sec should make best efforts to store contraband quickly, and only use it when appropriate situations arise
If there is an issue with spotty enforcement of this that is one thing (and admin discretion and context does apply), but the ruling itself indicates that security already must have a good reasoning to use contraband.
There is unfortunately little else for us to do in a policy thread about this other than reinforce that.