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Are randomly generated names from the server's config still liable for naming policy admin punishment?
Posted: Wed May 10, 2023 2:43 am
by iamgoofball
The other day I random'd Jack Black as a name pressing the random name button in prefs, but then admins made me change it after a few rounds citing naming policy because Jack Black is a famous singer. I was not RPing as the famous singer, and I got the name from the server's configuration for random possible human names.
Should we treat randomnames as potentially policy violating, and should the server take steps to remove violating names from the random names list?
Re: Are randomly generated names from the server's config still liable for naming policy admin punishment?
Posted: Wed May 10, 2023 4:18 am
by Cobby
there should be a namecheck tool to see if you legitimately rolled the name, so it will be easy to differentiate someone who made jack black vs an innocent "lucky" roll on the random name gen. I imagine the chances of rolling a celebrity name are pretty slim so I can understand if some admins are thinking (you) just are saying that because (you) know the config file has both names.
Even then though if the person is randomnaming then it shouldnt be a problem to just reroll the random name again to something the admin(s) in question r cool with, although generally speaking common first/last names being restricted because an American celebrity shares it is a bit of a "well ok" eyeroll moment so long as youre not placing the celebrity in the setting either via personality, gimmicky stuff, or even character lookalikes.
Re: Are randomly generated names from the server's config still liable for naming policy admin punishment?
Posted: Wed May 10, 2023 6:02 am
by Striders13
just change it if admin asks you, your world is not gonna explode
Re: Are randomly generated names from the server's config still liable for naming policy admin punishment?
Posted: Wed May 10, 2023 6:08 am
by iamgoofball
Cobby wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 4:18 am
there should be a namecheck tool to see if you legitimately rolled the name, so it will be easy to differentiate someone who made jack black vs an innocent "lucky" roll on the random name gen. I imagine the chances of rolling a celebrity name are pretty slim so I can understand if some admins are thinking (you) just are saying that because (you) know the config file has both names.
Even then though if the person is randomnaming then it shouldnt be a problem to just reroll the random name again to something the admin(s) in question r cool with, although generally speaking common first/last names being restricted because an American celebrity shares it is a bit of a "well ok" eyeroll moment so long as youre not placing the celebrity in the setting either via personality, gimmicky stuff, or even character lookalikes.
Currently, admins can vet if something was truly randomnamed via href logs, but i agree we could add something for that
Re: Are randomly generated names from the server's config still liable for naming policy admin punishment?
Posted: Wed May 10, 2023 2:46 pm
by Cobby
iamgoofball wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 6:08 am
Cobby wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 4:18 am
there should be a namecheck tool to see if you legitimately rolled the name, so it will be easy to differentiate someone who made jack black vs an innocent "lucky" roll on the random name gen. I imagine the chances of rolling a celebrity name are pretty slim so I can understand if some admins are thinking (you) just are saying that because (you) know the config file has both names.
Even then though if the person is randomnaming then it shouldnt be a problem to just reroll the random name again to something the admin(s) in question r cool with, although generally speaking common first/last names being restricted because an American celebrity shares it is a bit of a "well ok" eyeroll moment so long as youre not placing the celebrity in the setting either via personality, gimmicky stuff, or even character lookalikes.
Currently, admins can vet if something was truly randomnamed via href logs, but i agree we could add something for that
nopony is looking at that for a name vs just telling u to change it haha
Re: Are randomly generated names from the server's config still liable for naming policy admin punishment?
Posted: Wed May 10, 2023 3:51 pm
by Vekter
Logically, someone should probably sit down and go through the random names and prune them for possible combinations like that, but I don't really think anyone's going to do that. It's not that big of a deal for someone to go in and change a name if it somehow rolls someone famous.
E: Also if you random a famous person's name, actively know who that person is, and keep it for multiple rounds, that's on you.
Re: Are randomly generated names from the server's config still liable for naming policy admin punishment?
Posted: Wed May 10, 2023 3:59 pm
by NoxVS
Regardless of whether it’s deemed that this name is fine or not, having randomnamed it or manually typed it in is completely irrelevant and should have no bearing on whether the name is accepted. It should either always be acceptable or never be acceptable, none of this “it’s only acceptable if you randomly generate names until you get it”
Re: Are randomly generated names from the server's config still liable for naming policy admin punishment?
Posted: Wed May 10, 2023 4:23 pm
by iain0
Random generated stuff tends to be dumb and occasionally causes issues. There's numerous examples where rude strings have been generated by pure chance (the original Elite game from the 80s had an entire galaxy censored because RNG produced 'arse' as a planet name), you should probably not consider a random generated name as sacred, as the only resolution is a final 'check list' of known names, which needs to change over time to adapt to whatever culture is currently bumping, or worse remove anything possibly conflicting from first / last name lists. Neither of these solutions is really great and requires maintenance over time.
As already said, just change it and move on, no big deal.
Re: Are randomly generated names from the server's config still liable for naming policy admin punishment?
Posted: Wed May 10, 2023 4:33 pm
by Not-Dorsidarf
I think that while nobody should ever get in trouble for a randomly generated name, it's not unfair for an admin to ask you to pick a new one if you roll some very famous person by chance.
Re: Are randomly generated names from the server's config still liable for naming policy admin punishment?
Posted: Wed May 10, 2023 4:49 pm
by datorangebottle
This is entirely a code issue.
The admins should be right in enforcing the rules against names generated by the code that happen to suck, but they also shouldn't have to. The random name code shouldn't be rolling names that are against the rules.
Re: Are randomly generated names from the server's config still liable for naming policy admin punishment?
Posted: Wed May 10, 2023 5:43 pm
by iamgoofball
datorangebottle wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 4:49 pm
This is entirely a code issue.
The admins should be right in enforcing the rules against names generated by the code that happen to suck, but they also shouldn't have to. The random name code shouldn't be rolling names that are against the rules.
No, it's a server and policy issue, name txts are server config.
Re: Are randomly generated names from the server's config still liable for naming policy admin punishment?
Posted: Wed May 10, 2023 6:01 pm
by datorangebottle
iamgoofball wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 5:43 pm
datorangebottle wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 4:49 pm
This is entirely a code issue.
The admins should be right in enforcing the rules against names generated by the code that happen to suck, but they also shouldn't have to. The random name code shouldn't be rolling names that are against the rules.
No, it's a server and policy issue, name txts are server config.
The names 'jack' and 'black' aren't rule breaking on their own. You can be Jack Richards or Lexia Black. The names are believable and IC on their own. It's not an issue with having them in the config, but an issue with being allowed to generate them together- it becomes a problem when the generator throws together 'Jack Black', 'Keith Richards', 'Rebecca Black', as a few examples. This is why I believe it's a code issue; code could be added or modified to allow for a config that's a list of names the generator isn't allowed to make, imposing less of a limit on the number of names that exist.
Re: Are randomly generated names from the server's config still liable for naming policy admin punishment?
Posted: Wed May 10, 2023 6:17 pm
by Fikou
if you get it as a random name, i think its fine to play a round as them once, its funny. but if you use the fact you random rolled a famous persons name once to ignore naming policy for multiple rounds then thats where the fun ends
Re: Are randomly generated names from the server's config still liable for naming policy admin punishment?
Posted: Wed May 10, 2023 6:42 pm
by conrad
Striders13 wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 6:02 am
just change it if admin asks you, your world is not gonna explode
Re: Are randomly generated names from the server's config still liable for naming policy admin punishment?
Posted: Thu May 11, 2023 12:14 pm
by sinfulbliss
NoxVS wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 3:59 pm
Regardless of whether it’s deemed that this name is fine or not, having randomnamed it or manually typed it in is completely irrelevant and should have no bearing on whether the name is accepted. It should either always be acceptable or never be acceptable, none of this “it’s only acceptable if you randomly generate names until you get it”
Completely deranged view. “It doesn’t matter whether it was an automatic system, rule violation is a rule violation, bwoinked + noted + L”
I like Fikou’s take best. If it’s automatically generated just let it slide, if it happens more than once then maybe bwoink and note.
Re: Are randomly generated names from the server's config still liable for naming policy admin punishment?
Posted: Thu May 11, 2023 2:33 pm
by NamelessFairy
Seems pretty simple, if you get in randomly then your not exactly doing anything wrong but theres also nothing wrong with an admin asking you to not continue to use it in the future. Its easy enough to verify if a player got the name as a random one off or if they spammed the random button on a hunt for it/got it randomly once then kept it.
Re: Are randomly generated names from the server's config still liable for naming policy admin punishment?
Posted: Wed May 24, 2023 3:58 pm
by Misdoubtful
This is incredibly case by case based. If someone for example gets a big media/famous name and actually has no clue who that person is, and clearly aren't doing a caricature of them it could very easily slip by for a while. Surely. But someone that can attach it to something might crack down on it eventually.
If someone is random naming to begin with, is there any real harm in having another random name? We think not.
Regardless of whether people label things as punishment or recordkeeping, we trust that admins will act on these instances with the best of intentions.