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Let’s disable the ghost and suicide verbs
Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2023 3:12 pm
by The Wrench
See title. And they don’t add much to the game. More often than not. They are used as a way to screw over someone like an antagonist if you’re an AI Or a cultist. The DNR verb is more than sufficient for removing yourself from the shift after you’ve already died, and if you absolutely must die, you can use normal means to kill yourself that aren’t super immersion breaking.
Re: Let’s disable the ghost and suicide verbs
Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2023 4:30 pm
by warbluke
I'm okay with ghost being removed since I can't think of a use case that suicide doesn't cover, but all the fun ways to kill yourself are more than enough to justify suicide as a verb.
Re: Let’s disable the ghost and suicide verbs
Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2023 4:37 pm
by iain0
warbluke wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 4:30 pm
I'm okay with ghost being removed since I can't think of a use case that suicide doesn't cover, but all the fun ways to kill yourself are more than enough to justify suicide as a verb.
Suicide requires you to have some control over your character to execute. Ghost is just a straight up detachment from the mob.
Ghosting provides a guaranteed escape from any situation you don't want to play, it probably has dubious and valid use cases but if a player wants out, this is the path. Removing it will just make closing the game the equivalent.
Re: Let’s disable the ghost and suicide verbs
Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2023 4:46 pm
by Vekter
No, what? Why?
Normally I don't question why someone has made a policy thread, but did someone suicide before you could kidnap or convert them or something? This is such a bizarre take, you don't just remove things for the sake of removing them.
Re: Let’s disable the ghost and suicide verbs
Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2023 4:50 pm
by Misdoubtful
If someone does this to screw others over in valued situations like a carded AI or getting turned into a cultist they are already opening the door to getting a bwoink jump scare.
Also suicides specific to items are funny and I refuse to see the value in them being discarded just because Perry Pissbaby got mad at the game and decided to be a malicious little shit.
Re: Let’s disable the ghost and suicide verbs
Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2023 5:00 pm
by Shaps-cloud
This thread makes me want to ghost
Re: Let’s disable the ghost and suicide verbs
Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2023 5:31 pm
by warbluke
iain0 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 4:37 pm
Suicide requires you to have some control over your character to execute. Ghost is just a straight up detachment from the mob.
The more you know!
Re: Let’s disable the ghost and suicide verbs
Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2023 6:12 pm
by Annihilite111
The Wrench wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 3:12 pm
See title. And they don’t add much to the game. More often than not. They are used as a way to screw over someone like an antagonist if you’re an AI Or a cultist. The DNR verb is more than sufficient for removing yourself from the shift after you’ve already died, and if you absolutely must die, you can use normal means to kill yourself that aren’t super immersion breaking.
N20, healium or being in any form of crit as an android would leave you in eternal purgatory. You cant even suicide while asleep, and androids cant die from oxyloss. Being stuck staring at a single tile for the entire round doesn't strike me as very fun.
Re: Let’s disable the ghost and suicide verbs
Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2023 6:26 pm
by c4g
HoPline suicide is a time honored tradition, please don't take it away
Re: Let’s disable the ghost and suicide verbs
Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2023 6:39 pm
by Timberpoes
Is this even a config? I very briefly checked and couldn't find anything relevant.
If it's not config, it's a code change and not valid for policy discussion.
Re: Let’s disable the ghost and suicide verbs
Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2023 11:02 pm
by The Wrench
My mistake I assumed it was under a config. Also, the permasleep issue isn’t something I considered. Feel free to close this thread.