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Discord Rule 8 And What Is And Isn't Rule Breaking
Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2023 6:57 pm
by Bytube
Recently, mainly in the #art-general channel, there have been an influx of posts that, while not explicitly depicting sex, were likely created to be arousing. This brings into question rule 8:
8: Any NSFW content must be clearly labeled, as well as spoilered or nested in < > to prevent the automatic embed, pornographic content is not allowed
Does pornographic content, according to rule 8, include softcore porn? Or is it exclusive to hardcore porn? Either way, I think that the rule should be rewritten to be more clear on what is and isn't considered pornographic.
Re: Discord Rule 8 And What Is And Isn't Rule Breaking
Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2023 8:33 pm
by Jacquerel
I'll be real with you I don't think there's going to be any useful rules lawyer definition of what "pornographic" content means which isn't "the discord moderator will know it when they see it"
Re: Discord Rule 8 And What Is And Isn't Rule Breaking
Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2023 10:38 pm
by Vekter
It's always going to be slightly vibes-based, but the way I've always seen it enforced is, "If your boss saw the image in question, would there be an uncomfortable discussion about your browsing habits at work?". This is never actually going to be a solid way of handling it from an academic perspective, but I would lean further towards safe than anything - if a character looks like they're intentionally drawn for the sake of arousal (lots of cleavage, huge tits, questionable pose) or if they're wearing intentionally skimpy clothing, it probably needs a spoiler tag.
Mind, I am far from a puritan and I don't much personally care if I see a bit too much tiddy from time to time, but again, the point is that we aren't causing people to have issues if they're viewing Discord at work.
Re: Discord Rule 8 And What Is And Isn't Rule Breaking
Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2023 4:49 am
by Timberpoes
That rule will be interpreted in whatever way keeps Discord off our asses and our level of creeps and weirdos manageable.
I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description; and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it.
Re: Discord Rule 8 And What Is And Isn't Rule Breaking
Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:30 am
by kinnebian
i dont think rule 8 should be a problem for anyone who doesnt have a porn addiction and i dont see why it needs so many clarifications
Re: Discord Rule 8 And What Is And Isn't Rule Breaking
Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2023 4:53 pm
by Vekter
kinnebian wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:30 am
i dont think rule 8 should be a problem for anyone who doesnt have a porn addiction and i dont see why it needs so many clarifications
Because the conversations usually go a little like this:
- Someone posts something questionable in the art channel.
- A Discord Jannie nukes it because, to them, it looks a little too explicit to be in that channel.
- The person who posts it gets upset and asks why we deleted it.
- Jannie explains the purpose of the rule.
- Person is still upset, calls the Jannie some variant of a prude or puritan.
The intent behind this thread seems to be to move Discord Rule 8 issues away from being vibes-based and more evidence-based (us making it more explicit what can and can't be posted), but I'm not personally convinced we can do that without some major issues.
Re: Discord Rule 8 And What Is And Isn't Rule Breaking
Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2023 10:48 am
by Screemonster
Vekter wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 4:53 pm
kinnebian wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:30 am
i dont think rule 8 should be a problem for anyone who doesnt have a porn addiction and i dont see why it needs so many clarifications
Because the conversations usually go a little like this:
- Someone posts something questionable in the art channel.
- A Discord Jannie nukes it because, to them, it looks a little too explicit to be in that channel.
- The person who posts it gets upset and asks why we deleted it.
- Jannie explains the purpose of the rule.
- Person is still upset, calls the Jannie some variant of a prude or puritan.
The intent behind this thread seems to be to move Discord Rule 8 issues away from being vibes-based and more evidence-based (us making it more explicit what can and can't be posted), but I'm not personally convinced we can do that without some major issues.
the problem is that "Safe for work" has become the go-to terminology for ages and it ceases to be a useful term when you're dealing with NEETs, especially when you combine that with the internet contrarian "muh free speech you have to justify all removals or I'm constitutionally entitled to say anything I want" attitude that's a common symptom of Chan Brain
and you end up with people coming out with insane takes like "as long as it doesn't show a girl's nipple it's sfw" that lead to the question of "where the fuck do
you work that that's considered safe" and sooner or later you end up with this
Re: Discord Rule 8 And What Is And Isn't Rule Breaking
Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2023 12:33 pm
by sinfulbliss
Screemonster wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 10:48 am
and you end up with people coming out with insane takes like "as long as it doesn't show a girl's nipple it's sfw" that lead to the question of "where the fuck do
you work that that's considered safe"
I think this has an incredibly simple solution. Anything outright NSFW (porn) is already banned. Anything risqué but not rulebreaking simply gets spoilered. You cant really complain about “muh workplace” when you’re clicking a spoilered image.
Re: Discord Rule 8 And What Is And Isn't Rule Breaking
Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2023 1:48 pm
by Jacquerel
The rule is already that such things need to be placed in spoilers or not embedded, this thread is about people who get upset when they are asked to do that and want "what should I spoil or not embed" to be clarified.
Re: Discord Rule 8 And What Is And Isn't Rule Breaking
Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2023 2:27 pm
by Vekter
Jacquerel wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 1:48 pm
The rule is already that such things need to be placed in spoilers or not embedded, this thread is about people who get upset when they are asked to do that and want "what should I spoil or not embed" to be clarified.
Right, my answer is still, "If it would get you in trouble at work, you should be spoilering it". If we need to word it differently for those who aren't employed, we can say, "If the average person would feel uncomfortable looking at it in public, you should spoiler it".
Re: Discord Rule 8 And What Is And Isn't Rule Breaking
Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2023 2:27 pm
by sinfulbliss
Jacquerel wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 1:48 pm
The rule is already that such things need to be placed in spoilers or not embedded, this thread is about people who get upset when they are asked to do that and want "what should I spoil or not embed" to be clarified.
I don’t think anyone this thread has said they were upset when they have to spoiler NSFW content. If anything it’s the opposite, I think OP is looking for a harsher rule, but just my impression.
Re: Discord Rule 8 And What Is And Isn't Rule Breaking
Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2023 2:33 pm
by Vekter
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 2:27 pm
Jacquerel wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 1:48 pm
The rule is already that such things need to be placed in spoilers or not embedded, this thread is about people who get upset when they are asked to do that and want "what should I spoil or not embed" to be clarified.
I don’t think anyone this thread has said they were upset when they have to spoiler NSFW content. If anything it’s the opposite, I think OP is looking for a harsher rule, but just my impression.
I'm not sure where you get that impression from; Bytube explicitly states they just want clarification.
Bytube wrote: ↑Sat Oct 21, 2023 6:57 pm
Does pornographic content, according to rule 8, include softcore porn? Or is it exclusive to hardcore porn? Either way,
I think that the rule should be rewritten to be more clear on what is and isn't considered pornographic.
Re: Discord Rule 8 And What Is And Isn't Rule Breaking
Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2023 2:48 pm
by Jacquerel
Yeah I'm literally just restating the OP
Re: Discord Rule 8 And What Is And Isn't Rule Breaking
Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2023 12:21 am
by sinfulbliss
Jacquerel wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 2:48 pm
Yeah I'm literally just restating the OP
Jacquerel wrote: The rule is already that such things need to be placed in spoilers or not embedded, this thread is about people who get upset when they are asked to do that
No one said they were upset they were asked to spoiler though?
@Vekter: the impression comes from the fact this thread was made shortly after people posted some risqué images in art-gen
Re: Discord Rule 8 And What Is And Isn't Rule Breaking
Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2023 9:55 pm
by BlueMemesauce
Vekter wrote: ↑Sat Oct 21, 2023 10:38 pm
It's always going to be slightly vibes-based, but the way I've always seen it enforced is, "If your boss saw the image in question, would there be an uncomfortable discussion about your browsing habits at work?". This is never actually going to be a solid way of handling it from an academic perspective, but I would lean further towards safe than anything - if a character looks like they're intentionally drawn for the sake of arousal (lots of cleavage, huge tits, questionable pose) or if they're wearing intentionally skimpy clothing, it probably needs a spoiler tag.
Mind, I am
far from a puritan and I don't much personally care if I see a bit too much tiddy from time to time, but again, the point is that we aren't causing people to have issues if they're viewing Discord at work.
That's the first part of the rule which states NSFW is allowed as long as it is spoilered and labeled. This is easy enough to understand by the example you gave.
However, I think they were asking for clarification on the second part of the rule that states pornographic content is not allowed at all.
How do you determine what is NSFW and what is pornographic?
Re: Discord Rule 8 And What Is And Isn't Rule Breaking
Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2023 10:04 pm
by Vekter
BlueMemesauce wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 9:55 pm
That's the first part of the rule which states NSFW is allowed as long as it is spoilered and labeled. This is easy enough to understand by the example you gave.
However, I think they were asking for clarification on the second part of the rule that states pornographic content is not allowed at all.
How do you determine what is NSFW and what is pornographic?
I would say that anything that depicts explicit sexual activity or nudity for the purpose of arousal would count as pornographic content.
Re: Discord Rule 8 And What Is And Isn't Rule Breaking
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2023 4:00 am
by Fikou
We think the rule is fine as it is.
If you think some image would make people in the public/at work uncomfortable then just spoiler it.
If it's not something like renaissance art don't post penis/balls/vagina/asshole/female nipples.
I think the current rule encapsulates that if you use common sense.
Looking in the art channel I only saw suggestive art of felinids wearing bras, that is not really even softcore, I don't see the problem.
Fikou -
Cheshify - Yeah makes sense
TBM - No change
