/tg/Station 13

>Be captain
>Scientists have an alien queen in xenobiology
>like 4 people volunteer to jump in the pen
>tell the scientists to stop fucking feeding it
>they ignore me and feed it like 10 monkeys
>keep yelling at them to stop
>more monkeys, more people
>eventually the AI turns off containment and everyone dies


Is there any acceptable action you can take that isn't too meta (knowing that containment will fail in 100% of rounds)? I guess you could argue it's meta that they're all feeding themselves to become aliens in the first place though.

I wanted to execute them all for insubordination and then burn down the aliens but I restrained myself.

Also afraid people will complain I'm a killjoy, but I just don't find aliens very much fun to fight against.

Kor wrote: I wanted to execute them all for insubordination and then burn down the aliens but I restrained myself.
Also afraid people will complain I'm a killjoy

There is no nice way to ask this kor.
but have you tried not being a vagina?

You're the captain, you have options, Lawchange Xenos are harmful to humans and must be eradicated immediately
Grab two or so officers and raid them, with lasers in hand.

Do you really give a shit if the same people who think feeding these world enders is a good idea, also think you're a killjoy?

Scientists breeding xenos whenever they get the chance is really just symptomatic of traitor rounds being kind of stale otherwise. Can't really blame them for trying to make something happen however they're allowed to without antag status. But at the same time, "Captain rallies a force to overpower science and wipe out the xenos" is itself something happening. I think this is one of those issues where non-antags can have good reason to fight each other without any need for admin involvement.

One time when I was a scientist working Xenobio, the miner just ran in with another scientist and plopped down a facehugger. I told them no, not happening in my xeno, stuff happened the miner eventually got facenommed after I fought the two with a fire extinguisher for a while and I failed to get him into surgery in time, though I did kill the larva. I got bwoinked for it but explained that this clear and present threat to the station (containment for it was not set up) needed to be taken care of quickly and never got any trouble for it.

I'm guessing the same goes as captain. If you see scientists feeding a xeno and you decide, "Hey, I don't like xenos," grab some officers, some lazers and kill them. And if the scientists complain or fight, kill them. And if they bitch in OOC, tell them next time not to breed xenos or to okay it with the CAPTAIN (this is important, as I don't think the RD has enough say or power to decide this because without sec support and engineers ensuring the power won't fail to the shield generators they likely will escape, hell they probably will anyway, it should be decided by all heads but mostly the captain as it is something that can impact the whole station). It's that simple.

Falamazeer wrote:

Kor wrote: I wanted to execute them all for insubordination and then burn down the aliens but I restrained myself.
Also afraid people will complain I'm a killjoy

There is no nice way to ask this kor.
but have you tried not being a vagina?

You're the captain, you have options, Lawchange Xenos are harmful to humans and must be eradicated immediately
Grab two or so officers and raid them, with lasers in hand.

Do you really give a shit if the same people who think feeding these world enders is a good idea, also think you're a killjoy?

I do when 4 people adminhelp saying "LOL JUST DOING MY JOB"

Aliannera wrote:I got bwoinked for it

By literally who? Because that's stupid.

Saegrimr wrote:

Aliannera wrote:I got bwoinked for it

By literally who? Because that's stupid.

It was more just to ask what happened, nothing serious, which I understood after having beat on a couple people as a non-antag. The miner was pretty salty in OOC after the round with things like 'making the round more interesting' and 'muh getting people back into the round.' I can't recall the name of the person nor the admin but that's not the point of the thread anyway.

Point is, if I could get away with killing xenos and xeno breeders as a Scientist, I'm sure you can get away with it as a Captain.

Just make one incendiary nade. Throw it down the chute and everything inside dies.

This sounds like a textbook case of a situation where the captain is fully within their rights to get the posse together, raid the relevant department, and demote (or just shoot) the relevant people. Considering what happened as a result of that, even more so.

I'd have no problem with a captain raiding Science for breeding xenos. Their job is to capture any potential threatening alien presence for study and to breed and study slimes, not feed and create a fucking xenos ant farm.

I'd actually note someone for doing this multiple times. Why the fuck would you breed aliens as a non-antag when you know the release rate is somewhere around 93%?

Vekter wrote:Why the fuck would you breed aliens as a non-antag when you know the release rate is somewhere around 93%?

You just answered your own question.

>people try to make the game fun
>vekter shits on them

Vekter please You're normally pretty cool

you're the captain with an entire force of jackbooted thugs with laser guns at your beck and call

march down there, restrain everyone, purge with fire

You could have them arrested and demoted for ignoring your commands IC, but you are still an OOC killjoy. Xenobiology exists to screw around with Aliens. With proper care, the Xenos cannot get out of the pen unless you get a wormhole event, which is really REEALLY unlikely.

Captain can do whatever the hell he wants dammit! If you want the clown arrested and lashed 50 times with the Chain of Command that's your prerogative and no one can stop you unless they want a full on mutiny.

Captain should have supreme power. He can make the round Sealab 2020 or Sealab 2021.

oranges wrote:>people try to make the game fun
>vekter shits on them

Vekter please You're normally pretty cool

>try to make the game fun
>try to release aliens all over the station because they're bored

If atmos gets destroyed, you can use an alien infestation as an air purifying system.

THE MIGHTY GALVATRON wrote:Captain can do whatever the hell he wants dammit! If you want the clown arrested and lashed 50 times with the Chain of Command that's your prerogative and no one can stop you unless they want a full on mutiny.

Captain should have supreme power. He can make the round Sealab 2020 or Sealab 2021.

That's the great thing about having all access, absolute authority and the biggest gun.

lumipharon wrote:If atmos gets destroyed, you can use an alien infestation as an air purifying system.

Ok, I'll bite, what?

I think alien weeds eat up plasma.

Maybe.

I don't know otherwise.

Aliens convert plasma to oxygen.
This regens their plasma stores/heals them or some shit, but also means if you have a metric fuckton of aliens, you can clean up plasma.

I would assume that's at the same or similar rate of turnover as humans and CO2 which is completely worthless.
And even if it's not, Scrubbers have never tried to take over the station.

still a fun fact, but it's a rather weak excuse isn't it?

lumipharon wrote:Aliens convert plasma to oxygen.
This regens their plasma stores/heals them or some shit, but also means if you have a metric fuckton of aliens, you can clean up plasma.

Weeds create plasma gas at the same rate aliens consume it (very low). That's why weeds heal aliens and refill their plasma.

I am so sick of atmospheric technicians breeding 200 aliens at roundstart just in case of malf plasma flood. Fucking meta as hell man

To be honest, as of late as a RD, when I hear there's Xenos in the pean, I generally want to set up "contigencies".

By that, I mean eitheir have a Durand with Solaris on standby, and/or -maybe- have a bomb placed in Xenobio, while asking the RnD crew to be backed up. Hit the red button if the Xenos have been released - there's a point where it's better to just blow it all up then let the Xenos overrun the station.

Execute them for creating a dangerous hazard?

The main problem tends to be when you go to shut down everything you get shit on as nofunsec/cap, everyone hates you, and the science team actively resists

Wyzack wrote:The main problem tends to be when you go to shut down everything you get shit on as nofunsec/cap, everyone hates you, and the science team actively resists

Let them have salt.

No, seriously, just don't give a shit if your pissing them off. ICly it makes complete sense to want to purge the fuck out of the xenos. And if they resist, shoot them. They've already made one hazard on the station, no need to give them a chance to make more.

Can an admin clarify that this is okay? I wont get a bwoink for shutting the whole deal down? Because some people get really fucking defensive when you try to gas their xeno waifu

Them breeding xenos is fine.
You wanting to murder said Xenos is also fine.
They getting salty about their murder pets getting murdered is fine too.

This is all perfectly reasonable IC stuff - xenobiologists want to do cute xenobio things.
Captain/sec want to not be eaten and throat fucked by aliens.

Wyzack wrote:Can an admin clarify that this is okay? I wont get a bwoink for shutting the whole deal down? Because some people get really fucking defensive when you try to gas their xeno waifu

The general consensus is that acting like an antag gets you treated like one. So yes, I have no problem with you gunning down half of science for breeding super-lethal aliens for shits and giggles.

Watching security bust like like a swat team slamming scientists to the ground sounds pretty awesome.

I was about to say "well all you need to do is connect a plasma canister to the injector" but then I realised that at some point in the past, some ingenious mapper decided to put the fire purge system in the wrong containment chamber. There needs to be an injector for the xenobio containment pen and not just the test lab.

invisty wrote:I was about to say "well all you need to do is connect a plasma canister to the injector" but then I realised that at some point in the past, some ingenious mapper decided to put the fire purge system in the wrong containment chamber. There needs to be an injector for the xenobio containment pen and not just the test lab.

I might just map in a burn system.

On a related note, the Xeno pen really should have an air injector and igniter in it, just like the testing lab pen. Would solve 90% of these issues.

It wouldn't stop the simple mobs that are invulnerable to fire, though, which I assume is quite a few of the random selection that makes up gold core+blood.

Vekter wrote:

Wyzack wrote:Can an admin clarify that this is okay? I wont get a bwoink for shutting the whole deal down? Because some people get really fucking defensive when you try to gas their xeno waifu

The general consensus is that acting like an antag gets you treated like one. So yes, I have no problem with you gunning down half of science for breeding super-lethal aliens for shits and giggles.

That is such a shitty and completely wrong thing to say. Half the time its admins spawning the Alien in the pen for Scientists to mess around will. You cant, as an admin, mark people as valid for doing their damn job.

Slimes do pretty well against aliens give or take a little AI stupidity.

Starting shoveling slimes in is an in xenobio solution at least.

Alex Crimson wrote:

Vekter wrote:

Wyzack wrote:Can an admin clarify that this is okay? I wont get a bwoink for shutting the whole deal down? Because some people get really fucking defensive when you try to gas their xeno waifu

The general consensus is that acting like an antag gets you treated like one. So yes, I have no problem with you gunning down half of science for breeding super-lethal aliens for shits and giggles.

That is such a shitty and completely wrong thing to say. Half the time its admins spawning the Alien in the pen for Scientists to mess around will. You cant, as an admin, mark people as valid for doing their damn job.

It's sort of spawned for you with the understanding that if you start breeding these fucking things or attempt to stop the Captain when he tells you to purge everything you don't have any protection.

I don't think it's really cool to just walk in and laser everyone before at least communicating first.

Tornadium wrote:

Alex Crimson wrote:

Vekter wrote:

Wyzack wrote:Can an admin clarify that this is okay? I wont get a bwoink for shutting the whole deal down? Because some people get really fucking defensive when you try to gas their xeno waifu

The general consensus is that acting like an antag gets you treated like one. So yes, I have no problem with you gunning down half of science for breeding super-lethal aliens for shits and giggles.

That is such a shitty and completely wrong thing to say. Half the time its admins spawning the Alien in the pen for Scientists to mess around will. You cant, as an admin, mark people as valid for doing their damn job.

It's sort of spawned for you with the understanding that if you start breeding these fucking things or attempt to stop the Captain when he tells you to purge everything you don't have any protection.

I don't think it's really cool to just walk in and laser everyone before at least communicating first.

They will release them if you don't strike first, so at bare minimum you have to wipe out anyone in xenobio at the time before you make any attempt to negotiate. People can be revived anyway no big deal.

I am all for the Captain being well within their rights to stop the Scientists, but saying Scientists are "valid" or "acting like antags" is way too much.

Alex Crimson wrote:I am all for the Captain being well within their rights to stop the Scientists, but saying Scientists are "valid" or "acting like antags" is way too much.

Xenomorph mass-breeding is acting like an antag. It's fine to have a couple, but if you're making a shitload and refusing to shut them down, you can suck on your 2-minute cloning time.

If they really, really want to mass-breed xenomorphs, throw them into the pen and close the blast doors.

Tornadium wrote:

Alex Crimson wrote:

Vekter wrote:

Wyzack wrote:Can an admin clarify that this is okay? I wont get a bwoink for shutting the whole deal down? Because some people get really fucking defensive when you try to gas their xeno waifu

The general consensus is that acting like an antag gets you treated like one. So yes, I have no problem with you gunning down half of science for breeding super-lethal aliens for shits and giggles.

That is such a shitty and completely wrong thing to say. Half the time its admins spawning the Alien in the pen for Scientists to mess around will. You cant, as an admin, mark people as valid for doing their damn job.

It's sort of spawned for you with the understanding that if you start breeding these fucking things or attempt to stop the Captain when he tells you to purge everything you don't have any protection.

I don't think it's really cool to just walk in and laser everyone before at least communicating first.

He's right, for once. Also, the few times we've done that, we tend to do a Centcom announcement.

Not-Dorsidarf wrote:

Alex Crimson wrote:I am all for the Captain being well within their rights to stop the Scientists, but saying Scientists are "valid" or "acting like antags" is way too much.

Xenomorph mass-breeding is acting like an antag. It's fine to have a couple, but if you're making a shitload and refusing to shut them down, you can suck on your 2-minute cloning time.

Its literally doesnt matter how many you have. 1 Queen is enough to overrun the station if it gets out, which should almost never happen if you have a Scientist that isnt an idiot. Most of the time the only way Xenos escape is due to the confusion when killjoys come to execute the specimens.

If you tell them to stop breeding Xenos then they should stop, if they resist you should arrest them, or kill them if they fight back with lethal weapons. If you walk into Xenobio and start lasering them because "its valid, they are acting like antags" then fuck you and your shitty behavior.

If a nonantag lets them out intentionally, just go with bomb rules and ban them for 1 day + however many the xenos end up killing by round end.

Guarantee scientists will be less inclined to xeno breed.

Takeguru wrote:If a nonantag lets them out intentionally, just go with bomb rules and ban them for 1 day + however many the xenos end up killing by round end.

Guarantee scientists will be less inclined to xeno breed.

Highpop = 2+ month ban
Jesus

Am I a bad person for varediting the xenobio APC to fuck up slowly if I see a nice fat xeno containment pen?

Saegrimr wrote:Am I a bad person for varediting the xenobio APC to fuck up slowly if I see a nice fat xeno containment pen?

The shield is net-powered, so not really. Unless you want to make the place spooky, I guess.

Mapping solution: Move the igniter-canister setup that's currently in the testing lab to this lab. That way, if anyone wants to, they can burn the clown xenos trapped in the pen. But they don't HAVE to.