/tg/Station 13

ALERT_GREEN All threats to the station have passed. Security may not have weapons visible, privacy laws are once again fully enforced.
ALERT_BLUE_UPTO The station has received reliable information about possible hostile activity on the station. Security staff may have weapons visible, random searches are permitted.
ALERT_BLUE_DOWNTO The immediate threat has passed. Security may no longer have weapons drawn at all times, but may continue to have them visible. Random searches are still allowed.
ALERT_RED_UPTO There is an immediate serious threat to the station. Security may have weapons unholstered at all times. Random searches are allowed and advised.
ALERT_RED_DOWNTO The station's destruction has been averted. There is still however an immediate serious threat to the station. Security may have weapons unholstered at all times, random searches are allowed and advised.
ALERT_DELTA Destruction of the station is imminent. All crew are instructed to obey all instructions given by heads of staff. Any violations of these orders can be punished by death. This is not a drill.

ALERT_GREEN All threats to the station have passed. Security may not have weapons visible.
ALERT_BLUE_UPTO The station has received reliable information about possible hostile activity on the station. Security staff may have weapons visible.
ALERT_BLUE_DOWNTO The immediate threat has passed. Security may no longer have weapons drawn at all times, but may continue to have them visible.
ALERT_RED_UPTO There is an immediate serious threat to the station. Security may have weapons unholstered at all times.
ALERT_RED_DOWNTO The station's destruction has been averted. There is still however an immediate serious threat to the station. Security may have weapons unholstered at all times.
ALERT_DELTA Destruction of the station is imminent. All crew are instructed to obey all instructions given by heads of staff. Any violations of these orders can be punished by death. This is not a drill.

Lumbermancer wrote:Why are you focusing on weapon visibility which is of no relevance or importance whatsoever and can't be enforced in any way?

Why was random search removed? It was really the only practical thing about alert status and a focal point of incidental roleplaying. Without it you can remove alerts altogether, and replace all of them with "we're going home" status which shortens shuttle flight.

John_Oxford wrote:green: someone needs to change the alert level
blue: everyone needs to get the fuck on the ground, you shitbags are getting strip searched
red: everyone might aswell suicide, im coming with riot armor and drag nets to lethal your ass to the other server
delta: everyones already dead, including me

CPTANT wrote:

Lumbermancer wrote:Why are you focusing on weapon visibility which is of no relevance or importance whatsoever and can't be enforced in any way?

Why was random search removed? It was really the only practical thing about alert status and a focal point of incidental roleplaying. Without it you can remove alerts altogether, and replace all of them with "we're going home" status which shortens shuttle flight.

The random search text was removed because Saegrimir will try to ban you for performing random searches under red alert anyway.

while there are already supposed to be allowed under blue....

CPTANT wrote:The random search text was removed because Saegrimr will try to ban you for performing random searches under red alert anyway.

John_Oxford wrote:>implying saeg wont ban you for looking at him wrong or calling him a shitty pepsi loli fag

welcome to /tg/ friendo

Saegrimr wrote:

CPTANT wrote:The random search text was removed because Saegrimr will try to ban you for performing random searches under red alert anyway.

Ah yes, the person defending being able to be shitsec in the other policy thread. Welcome, friendo.

CPTANT wrote:I did no such thing and that isn't really relevant to people getting banned for random searches anyway.

Saegrimr wrote:

CPTANT wrote:I did no such thing and that isn't really relevant to people getting banned for random searches anyway.

You can spin this however you like but your posts are still there and shit players will be dealt with before some coder decides the best way to fix it is by removing it or everything related to it.

imblyings wrote:>CPTANT

shitty sec don't get enough admin attention

this thread isn't about shitters or security's victim complex/victimization depending on time of day, this is solely about players who get victimized by security and have no IC method of recourse

Saegrimr wrote:I'll quote the relevant post instead.

imblyings wrote:>CPTANT

shitty sec don't get enough admin attention

this thread isn't about shitters or security's victim complex/victimization depending on time of day, this is solely about players who get victimized by security and have no IC method of recourse

Being randomly grabbed out of the hallway and strip searched is pretty much this 100%
I don't wanna go back to SoS days of "Sec isn't allowed to do anything" but something's got to be done before this turns into another Secborg thread.

I literally said that that is not the problem.

I said the problem is that admins punish people who deal with sec IC get treated to harshly

The random search text was removed because Saegrimr will try to ban you for performing random searches under red alert anyway.

CPTANT wrote:admins punish people who deal with sec

CPTANT wrote:ban you for performing random searches

CosmicScientist wrote:Is a random search (not stripping) fine? Such as "Crew member 12 of the medical department! Halt and hand me your bag! I am also required to pat you down and feel up the insides of your pockets! Thank you for complying!" in whichever obnoxious or friendly manner it's said where all the officer does is mostly non-invasive or even just ask them to show what's in their pockets and not go so far as to touch the spessman strip screen to prove it?

CosmicScientist wrote:And to tie this into the matter at hand. Does it matter on what alert level searches are done even if keeping in mind good sportsmanship? I imagine detaining before searching and even strip searching itself is just a reasonable response case-by-case though.

oranges wrote:The security seesaw has no END, it can be harnessed to provide INFINITE power

TehPear wrote:

oranges wrote:The security seesaw has no END, it can be harnessed to provide INFINITE power

Can we make an engine powered by security?

Kor wrote:non antag crime is almost a non factor in my playstyle because its very manageable at this point in time.

Lumbermancer wrote:

Kor wrote:non antag crime is almost a non factor in my playstyle because its very manageable at this point in time.

Is it? I almost had half of the sec and some heads mutiny against me because as a HoS I decided to gulag a guy who started breaking windows at hop line fnr at round start.

CPTANT wrote:I was under the impression that server rules forbid random searches on blue so having the announcement say it is is rather dumb.

Also nobody ever pays regards to security levels when it comes to having weapons visible. Running around with a gun in your hand is a sign of unrobustness anyway.

Perhaps something more in line with the actual reality of how the crew treats red alert would perhaps be more appropriate.

starmute wrote:

CPTANT wrote:I was under the impression that server rules forbid random searches on blue so having the announcement say it is is rather dumb.

Also nobody ever pays regards to security levels when it comes to having weapons visible. Running around with a gun in your hand is a sign of unrobustness anyway.

Perhaps something more in line with the actual reality of how the crew treats red alert would perhaps be more appropriate.

Actually thats a misconception about space law alert codes and rules. Space law is a role-playing suggestion. Same with the "code red/blue/green/delta".

The rules of the server are the only things actually applicable to if a player should get BWOINKED and banned. /tg/station is a mix between role-play and regular play. We don't take it so seriously when as a assistant you try to fight the syndicate instead of running away from them like a normal sane person would but we don't allow IC OOC.

John_Oxford wrote:Bloop

Lumbermancer wrote:

Kor wrote:non antag crime is almost a non factor in my playstyle because its very manageable at this point in time.

Is it? I almost had half of the sec and some heads mutiny against me because as a HoS I decided to gulag a guy who started breaking windows at hop line fnr at round start.

kevinz000 wrote:Really, red alert SAYS you can technically random search, but when's the last time you saw someone with lots of security experience stop everyone they see to randomly search them without reason? I'd like to think of red alert as giving me more leniency to have reason to search people, not as in I should be allowed to walk up to anyone at all even if they're doing their job the entire time and go HEY ON THE GROUND NOW UR GETTING SEARCHED LULZ!

CosmicScientist wrote:Then it should probably start at the bottom and unlock more privileges/validhunting tools as you go up the alert levels with a side bit of fluff that implies greater authority of heads of staff/lower liberties of the crew.

I guess if you say, start at green, put tasers and the armoury's weaponry or entire contents behind blue alert and then work up from there or something?

I don't know.

Incomptinence wrote:The proposed changes to weapons visibility/drawn is both restrictive to sec dressing and divorced from how the game modes work. Don't discourage security from pulling their weapon out and using it is fucking sos style piñata doctrine almost, they need to be on hair trigger to fire on actual threats.

Bombadil wrote:I don't like the idea of removing random search in the alerts.

Now we could just have sec run around strip searching people whenever they want and not even need a reason.