/tg/Station 13

aka. Vorestation General

Why are there bans being handed out for actions taken on other servers?
How is this any different from FriikkiM going on hub servers and maxcap bombing them?
Is it because they screamed "TGSTATION STONG"?
Is it because they seemed to be at least semi-organized?

Why is this an issue in the first place?
Is it made clear in server/community rules that organized griefing in other communities (i.e. raiding) is punishable here?

As a hypothetical and a slippery slope case, what if I'm perma'd from /vg/ for legitimate reasons? Should be worried about that specific ban being mirrored here, or worried about being punished for those specific actions?

As a discussion prompt, to what extent do we, as individuals, and the admins, as policy makers and enforcers, care about other servers and the events which transpire upon them?

^ People turning steno into actual policy discussions instead of just shitting up the FNR threads. This is why we got rid of steno.

On topic: Admins are reactive towards 'raiding' shit because it spawns a metric fuckton of server and playerbase drama typically.

It has in the past and even if you mark something as 'harmless' it's still the principle that it usually blows the fuck up into drama and shit flinging that probably makes admins want to expel people who do anything remotely similar to it ASAP.

We want quality players on our servers. Not 'raiders'. Wouldn't you agree that's a fair stance to take? I'm pretty sure Scaredofshadows feels the same way and he has all the right to not want that on his servers.

We want to maintain good relations with other servers. Raising a shit on other servers in our name not only damages our relations and image, but also invites them to do the same to us in revenge.

It's just fucking juvenile and retarded. It's not behavior we'd want to endorse, invite, or tolerate.

As a hypothetical and a slippery slope case, what if I'm perma'd from /vg/ for legitimate reasons? Should be worried about that specific ban being mirrored here, or worried about being punished for those specific actions?

If it wasn't an invasion-related ban, I'm of the opinion that it should just be written down in your notes. The point is they're not actionable in of itself, but they should be taken into consideration when making judgement calls down the line. Of course, this is could change depending on the severity of what you actually did.

>Why are there bans being handed out for actions taken on other servers?
Because raids reflect REALLY badly on us, and if somebody was using another server to organize raids we'd want them banned from there so they'd stop.
>How is this any different from FriikkiM going on hub servers and maxcap bombing them?
I'd imagine it's mainly because admins got word of it as it was going down.
>Is it because they screamed "TGSTATION STONG"?
That's part of it, yes. It implies that they're deliberately attacking other servers. It implies that /tg/station condones raids.
>Is it because they seemed to be at least semi-organized?
That's part of it, yes. One jackass from somewhere just makes you think they're a jackass. A group of jackasses from somewhere makes you think that place is jackass central. We don't want to be thought of as jackass central if we can help it.

>Why is this an issue in the first place?
Because we don't want to be raid central, and we don't want to be thought of as a community that raids.
>Is it made clear in server/community rules that organized griefing in other communities (i.e. raiding) is punishable here?
Don't be a dick should cover it, and there is precedent for banning people for raiding/organizing raids. This is hardly the first time somebody's been banned for it.

>As a hypothetical and a slippery slope case, what if I'm perma'd from /vg/ for legitimate reasons? Should be worried about that specific ban being mirrored here, or worried about being punished for those specific actions?
If you were acting as a representative of /tg/station (for example, announcing you were from /tg/station of chatting about your /vg/station actions on /tg/station while committing them) when you undertook the action that got you banned or if you appear to be repeating the actions that led to your ban on /vg/station, you'd be at risk of getting banned based on your /vg/station history. If you got perma'd from /vg/station and kept your nose clean on /tg/station it wouldn't carry over.

>As a discussion prompt, to what extent do we, as individuals, and the admins, as policy makers and enforcers, care about other servers and the events which transpire upon them?
As a player, I care about how /tg/station players act on other servers because it directly reflects on /tg/station as a community, and therefore how people perceive me.
As an admin, I care about how players act on other servers because if John Doe has a history of GRIFFYACTION on another server and they're causing problems though GRIFFYACTION on /tg/station, it's a clear sign they're up to no good.

Aurx wrote:Why are there bans being handed out for actions taken on other servers?
*words*

what about the /vg/ players that raided vorestation.

are they getting banned too or is this a /tg/ only policy?

i mean, i read the rule list on /vg/ when i go on there once in a blue moon and saw nothing about it being bannable.

Swagile wrote:

Aurx wrote:Why are there bans being handed out for actions taken on other servers?
*words*

what about the /vg/ players that raided vorestation.

are they getting banned too or is this a /tg/ only policy?

i mean, i read the rule list on /vg/ when i go on there once in a blue moon and saw nothing about it being bannable.

Everybody who was raiding vorestation that I was made aware of has been banned from /vg/station.

If you use our servers to plan a raid don't cry when you get #rekt

Guys c'mon. Raids are Stupid. Sure maybe you don't care about our image, but the issue of reprisals could come up. Consider this. You raid a server, and instead of getting the expected counter raid, the servers get DDOS'd instead. Or something else as, or more, damaging happens. ETC ETC.


You don't know how such things can escalate and it could turn out very badly for our community. Even if you look at it with a self serving outlook, the possibility for things to go badly at home are too much. Oh, and the Admins here may ban you to maintain good relations.

Rule One. Don't be a Dick.

Aurx wrote:~snip~

This whole thread was just answered through this one response, there's literally nothing anyone can argue any more about this, it's a clearcut case of a group of people talking shit and then getting hit.

Why is iteq still unbanned he was the one who mentioned 'raid' the most in ooc if you look at the round logs from artyom when it was going on.

Did he actually go over and behave like those who did get banned?

Unless they're either a problem player and are known for griefing servers and being a general shit or going on servers griefing, spamming or promoting in the name of /tg/ I don't see why any actions on other servers should be held accountable on /tg/.

Isane wrote:Did he actually go over and behave like those who did get banned?

He went over there, ya. Dunno about his behavior on the server, though.
And I'm pretty sure he also started the whole thing by bringing up the subject, though I could be very wrong.

ColonicAcid wrote:

Aurx wrote:~snip~

This whole thread was just answered through this one response, there's literally nothing anyone can argue any more about this, it's a clearcut case of a group of people talking shit and then getting hit.

Except, banning people who went to vorestation as if we care when no one cares is just being fake. No one cares about vorestation, man. Some people deserve their shit and vorestation deserves their shit. banhunt imo led by fucking stupid ideologies and morals which are directly hypocritical

Psyentific wrote:Why are there bans being handed out for actions taken on other servers?

Remember when Burer and Tsaricide (I think) got bant from here for getting bant from bay?
Or that guy that blew up Hornygrannys Terraria server?
Or the whole heap of times that shitlers from other servers have been bant pre-emptively from other servers based on their activities on tgstation and other servers?

SS13 has a wider community, its not insular little bubbles, most people here play on other servers as well, as do people on other servers.

If you are going to grief like a shit, at least make sure you aren't anyone worth knowing. or make a new account on a different computer and different IP.

420goslingboy69 wrote:

ColonicAcid wrote:

Aurx wrote:~snip~

This whole thread was just answered through this one response, there's literally nothing anyone can argue any more about this, it's a clearcut case of a group of people talking shit and then getting hit.

Except, banning people who went to vorestation as if we care when no one cares is just being fake. No one cares about vorestation, man. Some people deserve their shit and vorestation deserves their shit. banhunt imo led by fucking stupid ideologies and morals which are directly hypocritical

You're making a rather bold claim with "morals which are directly hypocritical". Would you care to back that up?

itt aurx holding a complete double standard

trying to ban /tg/ players for raiding vore while his /vg/ admins participated in the /vg/ raid of the vore server while non of them got deadminned or banned.

iteq wrote:itt aurx holding a complete double standard

trying to ban /tg/ players for raiding vore while his /vg/ admins participated in the /vg/ raid of the vore server while non of them got deadminned or banned.

Aurx wrote: Everybody who was raiding vorestation that I was made aware of has been banned from /vg/station.

If you have information that I don't, I'd love to see it.

Iteq's blowing smoke out of his ass as per usual.