/tg/Station 13

Posted: **Tue Apr 05, 2016 12:08 am**

Bottom post of the previous page:

No it isn't.

Posted: **Tue Apr 05, 2016 12:13 am**

Tell that to saegrimr and ShadowDimentio

Posted: **Tue Apr 05, 2016 12:19 am**

Literally just read the rules. You can bolt secure tech storage, upload, and core at your leisure but you cannot bolt AND depower your core without reason.

Posted: **Tue Apr 05, 2016 12:24 am**

I vote we make AIs run off Environment power. If they want to depower their doors, they can lose power to their core too.

Posted: **Tue Apr 05, 2016 12:24 am**

Zilenan91 wrote:Tell that to saegrimr and ShadowDimentio

Hi. Always knew this.

TheNightingale wrote:I vote we make AIs run off Environment power. If they want to depower their doors, they can lose power to their core too.

Shitposting to the highest power

Posted: **Tue Apr 05, 2016 12:31 am**

That makes sense though, if there's no power going into them they're gonna fucking die because they kinda need power to live.

Posted: **Tue Apr 05, 2016 12:52 am**

New borg type => AI shouldn't be able to depower its core

I feel as though someone has ended up in the wrong thread, the shitty ideas thread is around the corner to the left.

Posted: **Tue Apr 05, 2016 12:54 am**

actually i think it would be a neat mechanic
you spot a syndieborg outside your door and bolt/depower, but you can't sustain it forever. eventually your airlocks will have to open back up or you'll die. you have to hold out longer than the syndieborg can. it would give the same anxious feeling of being in a saferoom with people pounding on the door from the outside.

Posted: **Tue Apr 05, 2016 12:58 am**

Wrong thread

Posted: **Tue Apr 05, 2016 12:59 am**

your face is in the wrong thread

Posted: **Tue Apr 05, 2016 2:12 am**

Guys, it's a valid debate and all but please use another thread to have it.

Posted: **Tue Apr 05, 2016 3:50 pm**

Coding update: I have a solid idea about what to do with all things that need to happen, but am very busy. My schedule clears up after friday though, so hopefully this weekend I can get this all wrapped up pending sprites.

The things that need to happen are:
-Make bolas disappear after they are escaped
-Harm alarm
-Cookie fabricator

My preliminary tests of things are all looking good, though. No major bugs to speak of.

Posted: **Tue Apr 05, 2016 4:09 pm**

We (or at least, I) appreciate all the hard work that's gone into this. I look forward to becoming friends with the Egg (assuming I can get BYOND to fucking work again).

Posted: **Tue Apr 05, 2016 7:28 pm**

I am 100% for the love-egg.

Posted: **Tue Apr 05, 2016 8:24 pm**

Drynwyn wrote:Coding update: I have a solid idea about what to do with all things that need to happen, but am very busy. My schedule clears up after friday though, so hopefully this weekend I can get this all wrapped up pending sprites.

The things that need to happen are:
-Make bolas disappear after they are escaped
-Harm alarm
-Cookie fabricator

My preliminary tests of things are all looking good, though. No major bugs to speak of.

Bless your soul. I'm just getting started with learning how GitHub works, so if I have your tgstation13 repo, I can fork it and play around with it, right? Because I'd love to play around with being Cᴜᴛɪᴇ, the love egg.

Posted: **Tue Apr 05, 2016 8:32 pm**

I propose that the official designation for the peacekeeper should be the Extra Gentle Guardian.

Posted: **Tue Apr 05, 2016 8:36 pm**

EndgamerAzari wrote:We (or at least, I) appreciate all the hard work that's gone into this. I look forward to becoming friends with the Egg (assuming I can get BYOND to fucking work again).

Same here. I suggest a ton of shit, but it's very exciting to see this actually be made.

Posted: **Tue Apr 05, 2016 9:26 pm**

Do you even have a coder? cause this entire thing just seems like a massive joke PR waiting to happen.

Posted: **Tue Apr 05, 2016 9:31 pm**

Serious Talk, I might code this if only to ensure the PR fits the right theme of "PEACEKEEPER ASIMOV" and not "valadin enforcer"

most the coders would assume a cookie fabricator and HARM ALARM is too unserious

Posted: **Tue Apr 05, 2016 9:51 pm**

kazeespada wrote:Do you even have a coder? cause this entire thing just seems like a massive joke PR waiting to happen.

iamgoofball wrote:Serious Talk, I might code this if only to ensure the PR fits the right theme of "PEACEKEEPER ASIMOV" and not "valadin enforcer"

most the coders would assume a cookie fabricator and HARM ALARM is too unserious

did you two even read the thread before you posted

ffs there's a post saying i'll code this and at least three posts with progress updates, one of which:

Drynwyn wrote:Coding update: I have a solid idea about what to do with all things that need to happen, but am very busy. My schedule clears up after friday though, so hopefully this weekend I can get this all wrapped up pending sprites.

The things that need to happen are:
-Make bolas disappear after they are escaped
-Harm alarm
-Cookie fabricator

My preliminary tests of things are all looking good, though. No major bugs to speak of.

was 6/7 posts above you guys.

goofball, you probably just saw kazeespada's post and assumed there wasn't a coder because you assumed that he was a rational person. NEVER DO THIS ON SPESSMANS

kaze though, there's no excuse for you.

and finally:

Topham wrote: Bless your soul. I'm just getting started with learning how GitHub works, so if I have your tgstation13 repo, I can fork it and play around with it, right? Because I'd love to play around with being Cᴜᴛɪᴇ, the love egg.

Yes, but you can't actually be a love egg because the sprites aren't in. Also I don't know if it will work because I can't remember if the changes I made locally for it to work right have been uploaded to git. I would do that but I am away from that computer until the weekend.

Posted: **Tue Apr 05, 2016 10:31 pm**

We have hugbot sprites to fall back on if necessary. I put in a sprite request for egg sprites, hopefully somebody picks it up.

Goofball, learn to read

Posted: **Wed Apr 06, 2016 12:09 am**

i like the borg sprite because it is an egg with legg

Posted: **Wed Apr 06, 2016 12:10 am**

goofball has a point though
harm alarm is autistic

Posted: **Wed Apr 06, 2016 4:12 am**

At this point the Harm Alarm functions just like the sec mask hailer, and is for comedic effect more than anything

Posted: **Wed Apr 06, 2016 4:10 pm**

>Expecting Kaze to be smarter than a rock

laughingdogs.gif.

Posted: **Thu Apr 07, 2016 5:05 am**

Malkevin wrote:>Expecting Kaze to be smarter than a rock

laughingdogs.gif.

My code has had less than half the bugs you ever put into the game, you limpdicked fucknugget.

Posted: **Thu Apr 07, 2016 5:13 am**

you coders are just so WILD

Posted: **Thu Apr 07, 2016 5:48 am**

Here's my mockup design doc for the peacekeeper borg. I spoilered it, it's a bit long.

Spoiler:

Posted: **Thu Apr 07, 2016 7:01 am**

TechnoAlchemist wrote:you coders are just so WILD

Posted: **Thu Apr 07, 2016 7:08 am**

kazeespada wrote:
Malkevin wrote:>Expecting Kaze to be smarter than a rock

laughingdogs.gif.
My code has had less than half the bugs you ever put into the game, you limpdicked fucknugget.

How do you make a half a single bug?

Iirc you were one of the cunts that was forever submitting buggy code that could've been caught by ten minutes on a test server

Posted: **Thu Apr 07, 2016 7:22 am**

kazeespada wrote:My code has had less than half the bugs you ever put into the game, you limpdicked fucknugget.

Can I use this as an insult? Is it copyrighted to you or something?

Posted: **Thu Apr 07, 2016 8:50 am**

Spoke to Daniel, he's busy for a few days but he plans on finishing the sprites when he gets the time.

Posted: **Fri Apr 08, 2016 6:53 am**

Malkevin wrote:
kazeespada wrote:
Malkevin wrote:>Expecting Kaze to be smarter than a rock

laughingdogs.gif.
My code has had less than half the bugs you ever put into the game, you limpdicked fucknugget.
How do you make a half a single bug?

Iirc you were one of the cunts that was forever submitting buggy code that could've been caught by ten minutes on a test server

So if you made 20 bugs, I would of made less than 10 bugs. Also, Right now I have no bugs open for my code. Even my computer refactor had very few(although Aranclanos anally tested it).

Posted: **Fri Apr 08, 2016 9:19 am**

kazeespada wrote:would of

Posted: **Fri Apr 08, 2016 11:00 am**

If it isn't feedback on the idea/development or something similar do it in another thread. This is almost finished, hold the shitposts for just a little while longer

Posted: **Fri Apr 08, 2016 2:37 pm**

After reading everything, here're my humble opinions:

1. I also prefer the pinkish (or white, whatever) egg sprite over the previous one. Maybe a few small changed could be made to bring it more in line with other borgs, it's good though.
2. The dizzyness chemical should maybe be combined with some weak healing chem? (Omnizide?) So while the borg drags the victim to safety the aggressor gets healed. But it doesn't replace the mediborg who is far more efficient and also doesn't make you dizzy.
3. Borg should have a fire extinguisher to help people on fire and not space itself by accident. A small version like the Mediborg has would suffice imo.

4. When emagged the modules of the borg should not be replaced by new modules, instead he should just get one or two new modules as with every other borg. Plus if he gets an illegal upgrade from RnD (rare but happens) having it replace all his actually harmless modules with harmful one would make it impossible for the borg to continue preventing harm, unlike with every other borg who can continue to do their job and keep their emagged weapon in the back "just in case."

5. I really like the idea of giving the borg a grenade launcher module with different grenades available, similar to how the Mediborgs hypospray lets you select different chems. And just like the Mediborg gets a second hypospray an emagged peaceegg borg could gain access to a second syndicate grenade launcher loaded with harmful grenades. This would also give the silicons back a ranged option since they currently lack any, which is a pretty big weakness as other players can just keep running circles around them and laser them to death easily.

Regular grenade launcher could be able to make some sort of quick-hardening foam as was already discussed (but I dunno about metal foam), it could have a regular smoke grenade so it can blind multiple people to prevent combat and allow for escapes, it could have pepper spray even if it's fairly useless it's an AoE effect, and I dunno... the emagged grenade launcher could have acid smoke (the Mediborg lost its acid-spray), poisonous smoke (dunno what chems) and I dunno.

These are just suggestions though, I just really like the idea of a grenade launcher with lots of versatility both as a regular and as an emagged borg.

Also to not give the borg an infinite grenade-spam option it could carry a limited amount of grenades that has to be recharged in a charger or something. Maybe have some kind of resource pool like an engieborg, or make grenades relatively expensive but slowly recharging on their own. Lots of ways to limit it.

6. Also, and this might go too far and doesn't make sense with the egg-style anymore, but maybe some kind of "suck-in-hug"? Like the borg is able to suck in and keep a person trapped in a hug for a few seconds. He could suck in an aggressor to "calm them down" and disable them for long enough for the victim to flee. The borg could be immobilized during the hug so they can't drag the hug-victim off somewhere. Or maybe have that be an emagged function so the borg can "hug-trap" somone to carry them into space or whatever. But I admit that this is a silly and stupid idea, just a thought I had when I saw that hugbot comic which had the robot "suck in" people.

Posted: **Fri Apr 08, 2016 6:16 pm**

kazeespada wrote:
Malkevin wrote:
kazeespada wrote:
Malkevin wrote:>Expecting Kaze to be smarter than a rock

laughingdogs.gif.
My code has had less than half the bugs you ever put into the game, you limpdicked fucknugget.
How do you make a half a single bug?

Iirc you were one of the cunts that was forever submitting buggy code that could've been caught by ten minutes on a test server
So if you made 20 bugs, I would of made less than 10 bugs. Also, Right now I have no bugs open for my code. Even my computer refactor had very few(although Aranclanos anally tested it).

>speculation

Either give hard data or shut your dick hole, cunt bag.

Posted: **Fri Apr 08, 2016 7:40 pm**

dionysus24779 wrote:2. The dizzyness chemical should maybe be combined with some weak healing chem? (Omnizide?) So while the borg drags the victim to safety the aggressor gets healed. But it doesn't replace the mediborg who is far more efficient and also doesn't make you dizzy.
3. Borg should have a fire extinguisher to help people on fire and not space itself by accident. A small version like the Mediborg has would suffice imo.

4. When emagged the modules of the borg should not be replaced by new modules, instead he should just get one or two new modules as with every other borg. Plus if he gets an illegal upgrade from RnD (rare but happens) having it replace all his actually harmless modules with harmful one would make it impossible for the borg to continue preventing harm, unlike with every other borg who can continue to do their job and keep their emagged weapon in the back "just in case."

5. I really like the idea of giving the borg a grenade launcher module with different grenades available, similar to how the Mediborgs hypospray lets you select different chems. And just like the Mediborg gets a second hypospray an emagged peaceegg borg could gain access to a second syndicate grenade launcher loaded with harmful grenades. This would also give the silicons back a ranged option since they currently lack any, which is a pretty big weakness as other players can just keep running circles around them and laser them to death easily.
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6. Also, and this might go too far and doesn't make sense with the egg-style anymore, but maybe some kind of "suck-in-hug"? Like the borg is able to suck in and keep a person trapped in a hug for a few seconds. He could suck in an aggressor to "calm them down" and disable them for long enough for the victim to flee. The borg could be immobilized during the hug so they can't drag the hug-victim off somewhere. Or maybe have that be an emagged function so the borg can "hug-trap" somone to carry them into space or whatever. But I admit that this is a silly and stupid idea, just a thought I had when I saw that hugbot comic which had the robot "suck in" people.

You bring up some really good points that I originally was annoyed with but totally forgot about or just kind of didn't give attention to.
2&3. Agreed, love it.

4&5. I entirely agree, and I forgot to bring this inconsistency up. All the other borgs stay the same with just an extra module (or two? maybe? don't remember) and having this borg change all of its modules really...puts me off. I like the grenade launcher idea, maybe with multiple modes. And, hell, if you know that there are traitors, for all you know maybe that adorable egg that's offering a hug is secretly packing heavy explosives. But still, I feel like this inconsistency is really important and something that needs to be fixed.

6. Adorable.

Posted: **Fri Apr 08, 2016 9:52 pm**

I'm already doing 4 because of how borg emag code works-emagged peacekeepers get a new hypo with a number of nasty substances.

Definitely gonna give em' a mini fire extinguisher now that you mention it.

Posted: **Fri Apr 08, 2016 11:44 pm**

Fire extinguisher makes sense. Flamethrowers and bottles + welding tools are used in combat every now and then.

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2016 11:55 am**

Drynwyn wrote:I'm already doing 4 because of how borg emag code works-emagged peacekeepers get a new hypo with a number of nasty substances.

Definitely gonna give em' a mini fire extinguisher now that you mention it.

Fire extinguisher should be standard for every borg module imo, just like a flash.

Personally I would prefer the grenade launcher option (could be an "egg launcher"? Get it?

) over a hypo, because the Mediborg already gets a syndicate hypo with really powerful chems. (without treatment a single prick can kill someone relatively fast), so there would be a bit of an overlapp and the silicons would still lack a real ranged offense. Plus it offers more versatility both regular and emagged.

But if it's an unpopular idea then okay.

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2016 12:16 pm**

Oh yes, it could fire eggs loaded with sedative at people.

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2016 4:39 pm**

as a fond user of eggs filled with chemicals to annoy people at chemist I support the E.G.G. (Extremely Gentle Grenade) Launcher.

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2016 5:50 pm**

Was supposed to be a joke to call actual "grenades" eggs, but I'm glad people like the idea.

Super Aggro Crag wrote:I support the E.G.G. (Extremely Gentle Grenade) Launcher.

That should totally be the name!

Edit:

Also as for the "foam" stuff, maybe something like this could be implemented? I dunno how it should work gameplay wise (maybe each additional shot slows someone down until they're immobilized and have to resist to remove it?) without overlapping with the Bolas (which may be fine as they are). It would be non-harmul and kind of fits the theme.

[youtube]dK_OKGELcn0?t=2m10s[/youtube] (<- Y NO WORK?)

https://youtu.be/dK_OKGELcn0?t=2m10s

Posted: **Sun Apr 10, 2016 6:26 pm**

hbrahlrlahrlharlahr FEATURE CREEP

Grenade launcher code is notoriously tricky, from what I've heard- it's a LOT more effort for me to give them a grenade launcher than it is to give them a nastier hypospray.

Someone else can code the E.G.G Launcher if they want to, someone else can code the riot foam dispenser. Maybe if I have time later I'll code them. For now, I'm done appending new features to this project. If anyone has module suggestions that are items already in the game, then by all means, suggest them, however.

Posted: **Tue Apr 12, 2016 10:22 pm**

I just had the horrible thought of people asking these things if they have a vibrate function. Good thing ERP is banned again.

Posted: **Wed Apr 13, 2016 12:56 am**

Grenade launcher sounds cool, but I think it's out of the scope of what we've decided to work with. Maybe in the future.

Posted: **Thu Apr 14, 2016 1:36 pm**

Code is *mostly* done, once sprites are finished I should be able to get a PR up within a week or so (my schedule permitting).

Posted: **Thu Apr 14, 2016 2:41 pm**

dionysus24779 wrote: 6. Also, and this might go too far and doesn't make sense with the egg-style anymore, but maybe some kind of "suck-in-hug"? Like the borg is able to suck in and keep a person trapped in a hug for a few seconds. He could suck in an aggressor to "calm them down" and disable them for long enough for the victim to flee. The borg could be immobilized during the hug so they can't drag the hug-victim off somewhere. Or maybe have that be an emagged function so the borg can "hug-trap" somone to carry them into space or whatever. But I admit that this is a silly and stupid idea, just a thought I had when I saw that hugbot comic which had the robot "suck in" people.

TIME FOR A GROUP HUG *BEEP*

Posted: **Thu Apr 14, 2016 5:49 pm**

Screemonster wrote:
dionysus24779 wrote: 6. Also, and this might go too far and doesn't make sense with the egg-style anymore, but maybe some kind of "suck-in-hug"? Like the borg is able to suck in and keep a person trapped in a hug for a few seconds. He could suck in an aggressor to "calm them down" and disable them for long enough for the victim to flee. The borg could be immobilized during the hug so they can't drag the hug-victim off somewhere. Or maybe have that be an emagged function so the borg can "hug-trap" somone to carry them into space or whatever. But I admit that this is a silly and stupid idea, just a thought I had when I saw that hugbot comic which had the robot "suck in" people.
TIME FOR A GROUP HUG *BEEP*

hugs not drugs 2k16

Posted: **Thu Apr 14, 2016 6:12 pm**

Seriously though make the illegal/emag module a nucleo-gravitational hyper-crystal that just does the same as a BoH-in-BoH

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