Space Ruins
- cedarbridge
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Space Ruins
As it exists right now, space is mostly empty and boring. With some luck you might crash into one of a handful of ruins. We need more of them
Goals for new ruins
1) May have good/much/unique loot but should not really just be a giant loot pinata
2) Should probably not contain antag gear like emags/uplink weaponry
3) Maybe have some useful replayablity. Nobody likes thinking "oh, its that boring ruin again" so maybe make the site useable in some way for an interesting purpose
4) This space reserved for me to change the goals and rules as I see fitting.
Goals for new ruins
1) May have good/much/unique loot but should not really just be a giant loot pinata
2) Should probably not contain antag gear like emags/uplink weaponry
3) Maybe have some useful replayablity. Nobody likes thinking "oh, its that boring ruin again" so maybe make the site useable in some way for an interesting purpose
4) This space reserved for me to change the goals and rules as I see fitting.
- Saegrimr
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Re: Space Ruins
I liked the "puzzle" shit, like the abandoned teleporter you had to use the tools in the room to fix up the APC to get it working again to get home.
Granted theres no way to make these fun again beyond the first time you figure the puzzle out but that's just the nature of the content.
Granted theres no way to make these fun again beyond the first time you figure the puzzle out but that's just the nature of the content.
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- cedarbridge
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Re: Space Ruins
Yeah, but designs like that have merit in that at least the first time (and maybe a couple times before it) you actively had to solve something. It will be, at the very least, interesting and fun for the player on their first contact. Might not get much replayability out of it, but with enough ruins you may not have to worry about seeing the same ruin too many times. Additionally, you get that feeling of being robust because "I solved this before so now I can call on that knowledge now." which feels nice.Saegrimr wrote:I liked the "puzzle" shit, like the abandoned teleporter you had to use the tools in the room to fix up the APC to get it working again to get home.
Granted theres no way to make these fun again beyond the first time you figure the puzzle out but that's just the nature of the content.
- Anonmare
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Re: Space Ruins
Tbh telescience should be re-added, but, you can only transport people. And add machines, that disrupt telesci, to critical areas so no roundstart armoury memes - you gotta get someone to turn off those if you want in (maybe bribe an engineer to remotely turn off the APC with the power flow console).
If you want to telesci for your space loot, you better have someone on the station ready to beam you back ( or they can simply, not, and leave you stranded in space - extra points if they transport you into space without a spacesuit).
If you want to telesci for your space loot, you better have someone on the station ready to beam you back ( or they can simply, not, and leave you stranded in space - extra points if they transport you into space without a spacesuit).
- cedarbridge
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Re: Space Ruins
IIRC Other servers have telesci protections or inhibitors. We still have telesci but now we have to go through about half the song and dance in R&D before it can be built with any worth. I really do miss using telesci as a super tool though. We'd build containments around the pad to catch lings in maint eating people. We'd use it remotely via the AI to teleport onto the shuttle bridge.Anonmare wrote:Tbh telescience should be re-added, but, you can only transport people. And add machines, that disrupt telesci, to critical areas so no roundstart armoury memes - you gotta get someone to turn off those if you want in (maybe bribe an engineer to remotely turn off the APC with the power flow console).
If you want to telesci for your space loot, you better have someone on the station ready to beam you back ( or they can simply, not, and leave you stranded in space - extra points if they transport you into space without a spacesuit).
The most fun was what you describe. We'd send exploration teams off on the pad with a GPS and a signaler instead of throwing them out the airlock. A beep on the matching signaler meant "bring me back."
- Qbopper
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Re: Space Ruins
On the one hand, sure, space is empty and could use some more unique stuff
On the other - do we want to encourage people to leave the round and do whatever off in space? I already have a dislike of lavaland since it's almost like you're playing a different game than the rest of the crew, and I don't think I want to encourage people to continue to go off and do things in space, leaving the round behind
If you had a snowball's chance in hell of finding someone in space it might be different, but unless you know where they're going good luck
This is just my opinion though and considering how positively lavaland has been received I'm likely going to be ignored
On the other - do we want to encourage people to leave the round and do whatever off in space? I already have a dislike of lavaland since it's almost like you're playing a different game than the rest of the crew, and I don't think I want to encourage people to continue to go off and do things in space, leaving the round behind
If you had a snowball's chance in hell of finding someone in space it might be different, but unless you know where they're going good luck
This is just my opinion though and considering how positively lavaland has been received I'm likely going to be ignored
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- cedarbridge
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Re: Space Ruins
I don't have a problem with space exploration. The station is the hub where all jobs meet. That includes miners on lavaland. Everyone makes contact with the station at some point and the majority of the round's storyline takes place on the station. Space explorers who don't get merked by space mobs or their own inability to manage internals pressure eventually arrive back on the station as returning adventurers with a sack of loot that they either share with the station or jealously horde against it. Its important to have the focus remain on the station, but we write ourselves into a corner if we ignore the space aspect of the space station.Qbopper wrote:On the one hand, sure, space is empty and could use some more unique stuff
On the other - do we want to encourage people to leave the round and do whatever off in space? I already have a dislike of lavaland since it's almost like you're playing a different game than the rest of the crew, and I don't think I want to encourage people to continue to go off and do things in space, leaving the round behind
If you had a snowball's chance in hell of finding someone in space it might be different, but unless you know where they're going good luck
This is just my opinion though and considering how positively lavaland has been received I'm likely going to be ignored
- Qbopper
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- Haevacht
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Re: Space Ruins
Remove the tomb cheridan won't let me chenge the lance name reeeeee.
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- FantasticFwoosh
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Re: Space Ruins
Puzzles should be mechanical or non-conventional item keys is my input on approaching puzzles because non-convential puzzles such as (step on this pressure plate in a sequence) will be learnt too fast, and done in their sleep.
Insert the Rupees into the slot to open the door, thing is you only have 3 rupees from exploring ruin X,Y,Z and if you mess this up and not enter the rooms with additional rupees already in them, you will be locked out from completing the ruin 100% so it stretches out the experience.
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- Nilons
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Re: Space Ruins
Having space ruins that could be repaired and made into a backup station like the derelict would be cool. Maybe making the emergency shuttle go to them if they're in a good enough state.cedarbridge wrote:As it exists right now, space is mostly empty and boring. With some luck you might crash into one of a handful of ruins. We need more of them
Goals for new ruins
1) May have good/much/unique loot but should not really just be a giant loot pinata
2) Should probably not contain antag gear like emags/uplink weaponry
3) Maybe have some useful replayablity. Nobody likes thinking "oh, its that boring ruin again" so maybe make the site useable in some way for an interesting purpose
4) This space reserved for me to change the goals and rules as I see fitting.
- XDTM
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Re: Space Ruins
I'd like to see some items that need other conditions to be used, rather than being gimmick items like the spear or most lavaland stuff. For example, machine boards for unique experimental machinery, weird seeds, unique cyborg upgrades, mech tools, cybernetic parts, chem dispenser modules, T5 stock parts, and so on.
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- Oldman Robustin
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Re: Space Ruins
Add a "Sphynx" or other form of riddle master. Make a bank of questions that is designed in such a way that a simple search on Github won't turn up the answer.
Offer high-end rewards for correct answers, potent penalties for wrong ones (lose a limb, damaged vision, lose your tongue, develop a cough, etc.)
Offer high-end rewards for correct answers, potent penalties for wrong ones (lose a limb, damaged vision, lose your tongue, develop a cough, etc.)
- DemonFiren
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Re: Space Ruins
Like what, math problems?Oldman Robustin wrote:designed in such a way that a simple search on Github won't turn up the answer
- cedarbridge
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Re: Space Ruins
Something like that would require databasing probably. Like the library code.DemonFiren wrote:Like what, math problems?Oldman Robustin wrote:designed in such a way that a simple search on Github won't turn up the answer
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Re: Space Ruins
I'm gonna leave kor's """design document""" on what he stated he wanted out of space ruins or ruins in general so:
1. Keep the loot sane.
2. Try and have it be original, don't recycle assets when possible.
3. Kind of like 2, but don't make it redundant with other ruins we already have.
4. Limit the damage it can do to the station. The ghost roles should be at a severe disadvantage when fighting the station, or restricted from finding them.
So yeah you will most likely need to redo existing ruins due to #2 and #3 being in your way almost always.
1. Keep the loot sane.
2. Try and have it be original, don't recycle assets when possible.
3. Kind of like 2, but don't make it redundant with other ruins we already have.
4. Limit the damage it can do to the station. The ghost roles should be at a severe disadvantage when fighting the station, or restricted from finding them.
So yeah you will most likely need to redo existing ruins due to #2 and #3 being in your way almost always.
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- cedarbridge
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Re: Space Ruins
Apart from the idea we had about moving the Lifebringers to space and off of Lavaland I don't really think space needs more ghost roles. There's plenty of ways to automate interesting ruins/encounters without resorting to ghost roles that would either go unused or just be used to find some way to get back to the station.
- FantasticFwoosh
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Re: Space Ruins
It doesn't have any ghost roles already, and i refuse to acknowledge the misguided attempts taken in comparison to the (general) quality of lavaland roles.cedarbridge wrote:Apart from the idea we had about moving the Lifebringers to space and off of Lavaland I don't really think space needs more ghost roles. There's plenty of ways to automate interesting ruins/encounters without resorting to ghost roles that would either go unused or just be used to find some way to get back to the station.
Though explicitly, the space roles need to be atmos dependent (as not to float away) so the lifebringers fit the bill nicely, in saying that they are stranded and unlike Space Bar & Hotel which both have exploitable and PUNISHABLE ways of getting 'back' to the station because they are migrant ghost roles in disguise.
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- cedarbridge
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Re: Space Ruins
Yes, you're catching on to what I said. I'd rather that it stay that way since there's very little need for ghost roles in space. If Lifebringers are moved to space that would be the only ghost role (apart from Derelict Drones) that should probably get space in space. All other ruins can much better be automated and serve the same general purpose of adding interesting things to do in space.FantasticFwoosh wrote:It doesn't have any ghost roles already,cedarbridge wrote:Apart from the idea we had about moving the Lifebringers to space and off of Lavaland I don't really think space needs more ghost roles. There's plenty of ways to automate interesting ruins/encounters without resorting to ghost roles that would either go unused or just be used to find some way to get back to the station.
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