Remove CereStation

DrPillzRedux · Thu May 04, 2017 6:50 am

It's too big and, because of that, empty. It's missing vital things (implants for sec, lethal injections in particular). By the time something happens and sec tries to respond, it's well over and the bad guy has fucked off somewhere in a deep dark corner no one will go to.

Unless we can get a population of 130+ this shit is not good.

Bawhoppennn · Post by **Bawhoppennn** » Thu May 04, 2017 6:51 am #288345

Cere wasn't intended to have the same population density as other maps. As I explained before, the bridges between the islands add an interesting and unique dynamic to the station.

DrPillzRedux · Thu May 04, 2017 6:53 am

Yeah but that doesn't change the fact that it's still too big.

Thu May 04, 2017 7:07 am

Could probably bump the minimum population to like 80 or 100 if that would help

DrPillzRedux · Thu May 04, 2017 8:18 pm

Please do, that would be a good thing.

Jacough · Post by **Jacough** » Thu May 04, 2017 8:35 pm #288554

Absolutely not. I'm not gonna be getting a laptop until at least two weeks from now and I wanna try the map once I get it.

scoobydoo · Post by **scoobydoo** » Thu May 04, 2017 10:34 pm #288600

its shit

Thu May 04, 2017 10:57 pm

DrPillzRedux wrote:Please do, that would be a good thing.

We bumped it from 40 to 50

Post by **Dax Dupont** » Fri May 05, 2017 3:16 pm #288882

Don't remove it, however it really feels unfinished and some stuff needs to be done before it's playable.
The other day perma started unpressurized without any breaches or anything.
People keep complaining about maintenance not actually shielding people against radiation.
Also "some access is missing" but i have no idea as to what.

Post by **MMMiracles** » Fri May 05, 2017 3:22 pm #288883

The map was built with 60+ population in mind while still being able to do shady shit without having to go off-station/some super niche corner of the map so you aren't stumbled on by every assistant and their lizard finding you while scouring maintenance.

ShadowDimentio · Fri May 05, 2017 4:42 pm

The map was literally designed to be huge and spread out. Complaining that it's huge and spread out is completely missing the point.

Post by **Armhulen** » Fri May 05, 2017 7:47 pm #288948

ShadowDimentio wrote:The map was literally designed to be huge and spread out. Complaining that it's huge and spread out is completely missing the point.

DrPillzRedux · Fri May 05, 2017 11:02 pm

ShadowDimentio wrote:The map was literally designed to be huge and spread out. Complaining that it's huge and spread out is completely missing the point.

The point that it's shit to play? Okay.

Post by **MMMiracles** » Fri May 05, 2017 11:04 pm #289011

If you don't like it, set your preference to a different map. The main point is that the main reason it gets played as much as it does is because there are people who enjoy the shake-up from typical station design and even have it set as their preferred map.

It's alright to not like things, just don't assume your opinion is objective fact.

DrPillzRedux · Fri May 05, 2017 11:30 pm

MMMiracles wrote:If you don't like it, set your preference to a different map.

No one sets their map preference so it gets randomly picked.

MMMiracles wrote:It's alright to not like things, just don't assume your opinion is objective fact.

Watch ooc and how everyone bitches about cere being chosen. I've seen 1 person say they like cere in ooc.

Also get off your high horse, you sound like a fool.

Post by **MMMiracles** » Fri May 05, 2017 11:35 pm #289020

DrPillzRedux wrote: Watch ooc and how everyone bitches about cere being chosen. I've seen 1 person say they like cere in ooc.

Also get off your high horse, you sound like a fool.

OOC? You mean like 5-7 people out of a 50+ pop server who whine while everyone else plays the game? Yeah, I've seen it a few times while observing for feedback. Its usually the same people, too.

Maybe its just confirmation bias on both our ends, I dunno. Can't tell for certain until a server poll is ran to get a more concrete idea on the actual view on the map.

DrPillzRedux · Fri May 05, 2017 11:41 pm

Please run a poll, that's a reasonable idea beyond shitposting at you.

FantasticFwoosh · Sat May 06, 2017 11:25 am

You might want this

DrPillzRedux · Sat May 06, 2017 8:31 pm

Forum polls are shit.

Luke Cox · Post by **Luke Cox** » Sat May 06, 2017 9:05 pm #289348

Remove yourself, posthaste

BeeSting12 · Post by **BeeSting12** » Sat May 06, 2017 9:58 pm #289375

MMMiracles wrote:
DrPillzRedux wrote: Watch ooc and how everyone bitches about cere being chosen. I've seen 1 person say they like cere in ooc.

Also get off your high horse, you sound like a fool.
OOC? You mean like 5-7 people out of a 50+ pop server who whine while everyone else plays the game? Yeah, I've seen it a few times while observing for feedback. Its usually the same people, too.

Maybe its just confirmation bias on both our ends, I dunno. Can't tell for certain until a server poll is ran to get a more concrete idea on the actual view on the map.

the only reason the map is shit is because 10-15 people run around every round shitting the place up because it's cerestation, which is up from the usually 5-6 that just do it every round.

edit: so basically not your fault just that the server autistically screeches when the map isn't meta or box or delta

ohnopigeons · Post by **ohnopigeons** » Sun May 07, 2017 3:01 pm #289813

Maybe there's an underlying reason that 10-15 people run around every round shitting the place up on cerestation vs the usual 5-6 on every other map.

Post by **MMMiracles** » Sun May 07, 2017 3:34 pm #289816

ohnopigeons wrote:Maybe there's an underlying reason that 10-15 people run around every round shitting the place up on cerestation vs the usual 5-6 on every other map.

Maybe. Then again the people who feel the need to shit up the station for others because they don't like it instead of heading to forums when a feedback link is posted probably aren't the best people to cater towards.

ohnopigeons · Post by **ohnopigeons** » Sun May 07, 2017 3:41 pm #289819

Missing the forest for the trees.

Post by **MMMiracles** » Sun May 07, 2017 4:02 pm #289821

Just saying. If those people can't be bothered to be constructive with their criticism like everyone else who has given a few minutes to write down their issues in a a more concrete area for me to work off of, then they're just shits.

FantasticFwoosh · Sun May 07, 2017 4:14 pm

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Sun May 07, 2017 4:22 pm #289825

>pillz assumes that everyone shares his shitty opinion and then tells MMMiricles to get off a high horse

fucking lol

Post by **MMMiracles** » Sun May 07, 2017 4:24 pm #289827

I take everything seriously. You can't be baited if you hook yourself beforehand.

ohnopigeons · Post by **ohnopigeons** » Sun May 07, 2017 4:44 pm #289835

MMMiracles wrote:Just saying. If those people can't be bothered to be constructive with their criticism like everyone else who has given a few minutes to write down their issues in a a more concrete area for me to work off of, then they're just shits.

No one is saying they're not shits.

DrPillzRedux · Sun May 07, 2017 6:22 pm

Wyzack wrote:>pillz assumes that everyone shares his shitty opinion

I'm going off of the general concensus of everyone I've talked to about it, you brainless mongoloid.

The Clowns Pocket · Sun May 07, 2017 7:05 pm

This map makes me want to take an airtank and meme in the HoP line

Post by **Dax Dupont** » Mon May 08, 2017 1:38 am #290107

MMMiracles wrote:If you don't like it, set your preference to a different map. The main point is that the main reason it gets played as much as it does is because there are people who enjoy the shake-up from typical station design and even have it set as their preferred map.

It's alright to not like things, just don't assume your opinion is objective fact.

Devil's advocate here.
There's been people stating in OOC that they set both Delta and Ceres in their game preference just to piss off people because if the map switches to either there's a lot of complaining in OOC. The internet being the internet is people enjoy watching other people lose their shit.
Problem I have is mostly the players aside from some flaws in the map. If the map is delta(well I don't like delta in general) or Ceres people seem to tide waaaaay more intensively compared to Meta/Box.
I am not sure if that's because people want the round to end earlier, don't like the map and just want to be shits or whatever.
It's not an argument against your map, it's just the reason why I don't like playing it currently. I hope it gets more popular, ironed out and get the same kinda love as meta/box gets.

Post by **MMMiracles** » Mon May 08, 2017 1:50 am #290117

What current flaws do you see with the map besides some of the players? A tweak PR is currently up and I'd be interested in hearing to see what I can adjust while I'm at it.

DrPillzRedux · Mon May 08, 2017 2:27 am

It's too big.

Post by **MMMiracles** » Mon May 08, 2017 2:34 am #290141

DrPillzRedux wrote:It's too big.

What? Too much STATION for you to handle?

DrPillzRedux · Mon May 08, 2017 2:39 am

Too much pointless, open space inside. Needs to be compacted.

Now if there was a way to take half of the station and make it a 2nd story, that'd be cool.

Post by **MMMiracles** » Mon May 08, 2017 2:47 am #290151

DrPillzRedux wrote:Too much pointless, open space inside. Needs to be compacted.

Now if there was a way to take half of the station and make it a 2nd story, that'd be cool.

Multi-story setup was a definite choice I wanted to go with but our code lacks the interesting mechanics that other servers have with multi-z stations and current attempts to remake/port so far have seek to of been futile.

Post by **Dax Dupont** » Wed May 10, 2017 5:32 am #291495

MMMiracles wrote:What current flaws do you see with the map besides some of the players? A tweak PR is currently up and I'd be interested in hearing to see what I can adjust while I'm at it.

I haven't really had a chance to play the map since but:
When I last played perma was almost completely depressurized on roundstart, I am not sure if that's a map bug or whatever.
It would be nice if you could extend rad protection to the airlock areas or find another color for the doors. Having to hover and look at the name of each maint looking door is pretty hectic especially when you're dragging a prisoner to the brig and you're in the middle of one of the bridges and scramble to find a proper area in limited time.
I am not sure if the pads are set up at roundstart but it would be nice if they point to escape as a default.
Does medbay have a pad? Seems like it could be pretty useful to deliver corpses to them.

The layers of rwindows on the bridges might be nice thicker because it's pretty easy to cause breaches and depressurizing as is.

Another suggestion is naming the doors to the AI core /and/ tcomms not just being named AI Core, I couldn't find tcomms when something fucked with it and I initially disregarded that location because all I saw was AI core on the doors and the AI bolted them so I figured they might not be there and I didn't have a bounced radio to yell at the AI to unbolt.
On station bounced radios, is there one in the brig? I can't recall.
I really fucking like the central brig office layout as a warden, though the perma is kinda useless with more than one prisoner, even with the transfer thing. Some better separation might be nice.
Also the transfer center is brutal, and your intention seems to be more beat people to death rather than painless execution. I can dig that. I'd love a room/tools so we could do basic surgery like box/meta has though. Sometimes we do implants but most of the time it's for brain extraction so we can borg people without worrying about some greytide trying to steal the corpse to clone it or whatever.

I personally don't like the big door sprites, it just feels out of place.

remove cere?