Replace Sec Gulag With Off-Station Perma

[Steelpoint]

As of right now, the Security Gulag is so worthless in keeping prisoners contained that it's a joke. I don't know how but it seems prisoners that get sent to the Gulag can end up back on the station as they somehow snuck over to the other side of the lava lake.

One idea I had is to replace the sec gulag with a off-station prison. Either a copy of the old Prison Station or revisiting one of my older ideas of sticking prisoners into abandoned asteroid base where they have to scavenge for food and supplies amongst a long abandoned mining base, infested with Hivebots.

Either way I think the Gulag needs a replacement to be far more secure than it is now.

[Super Aggro Crag]

Prison station sucked.

[Dax Dupont]

It takes less than 5 minutes to break out of the gulag, it needs to be fixed by /something/.

[Super Aggro Crag]

Monitor your prisoners.

[Dax Dupont]

Monitor your prisoners.

You never played sec have you?

[Luke Cox]

I have yet to see anyone escape gulag and live. Seems to be working as intended.

[PKPenguin321]

I have yet to see anyone escape gulag and live. Seems to be working as intended.

Really weird too because it's not really that hard

People just buy into the "gulag = death" meme so hard that they don't even try

[captain sawrge]

Prison station sucked.

[Luke Cox]

I have yet to see anyone escape gulag and live. Seems to be working as intended.

Really weird too because it's not really that hard

People just buy into the "gulag = death" meme so hard that they don't even try

People usually just do the sentence when I send them there. I really don't see how this is an issue at all.

[Super Aggro Crag]

Monitor your prisoners.

You never played sec have you?

I have.

[InsaneHyena]

I have literally never died in gulag. Getting 1000 points worth of ore without a mining scanner is ass, though.

[Super Aggro Crag]

I have literally never died in gulag. Getting 1000 points worth of ore without a mining scanner is ass, though.

Dig.

[Gun Hog]

How about a Remote Administration (and) Prisoner Education console? An advanced camera console that really bored Wardens can use to watch and remotely pester gulag inmates? If a few manage to cross the lava and avoid any monsters, you will know about it, but still cannot do much except sending the securitron after them!

[Bombadil]

I've seen them survive byhaving one guy wait on the other side of the lava shore and spray the guy who walked through. Really all that needs to be done is make the lava river between mining and gulag 2 lava tiles wide. Instadead

[Dax Dupont]

I have yet to see anyone escape gulag and live. Seems to be working as intended.

klara broke out in under 5 minutes earlier, miners were screaming at sec for help

[Super Aggro Crag]

Hit her with your pickaxes.

[Dax Dupont]

Hit her with your pickaxes.

I think the miners did.

[D&B]

I shoot escapees tbh

[obscolene]

make the lava river between mining and gulag 2 lava tiles wide. Instadead

it's already 2 tiles wide

I have yet to see anyone escape gulag and live. Seems to be working as intended.

klara broke out in under 5 minutes earlier, miners were screaming at sec for help

if you don't want me to break out

Spoiler:

DISCLAIMER: i came to mining to do some actual MINING where it isn't idiotic. i had to break the window to the mining shuttle to get through, and i was finishing fixing it when the mining shuttle was sent by sec back to station. so it LOOKED like i was trying to escape, when, in reality, i was doing some border-hopping to hopefully coerce a friendly miner into lending me a scanner to which I could !!MINE!! like a normal human bean before traversing back to the gulag to RELEASE myself from the SHACKLES of IMPRISONMENT.

then don't give me a 1000 point gulag sentence unironically expecting me to do it. even 500 is too much. people who give huge gulag sentences for little reason either

1.) do it for the sake of being the harshest punishment they can give
2.) don't know how long it takes to mine on the gulag

you have no mining scanner, and you have nothing but a pickaxe to mine with. i can understand the pickaxe-only part, but having no mining scanner is just dumb. even one of those free golem scanners that you have to manually activate would suffice, for the sake of making it slightly less painstakingly and mind-numbingly tedious.

people don't realize that even something as small as a 75 point sentence takes a good 5 or 10 minutes to do. and with the space law wiki page saying some dumb thing like "2 minutes in brig OR 200 points in gulag" it makes people underestimate how moronic the (((GULAG))) actually is. a 500 point sentence can take well up to 30 minutes.

Hit her with your pickaxes.

I think the miners did.

no, it was just owen kimple staring me down and yelling for sec, followed by "WHY DO YOU KEEP GETTING SENT TO THE GULAG AND ESCAPING"
i informed him i was just there to MINE and serve my (((SENTENCE))) and he helped me fix the mining shuttle window.

[Lumbermancer]

worthless in keeping prisoners contained.

Keeping prisoners contained is accidental, real purpose is punishment. Let them escape, then shoot them dead. Or, fix the carpet/wall exploit that allows you to make way through the lava.

[obscolene]

fix the carpet/wall exploit that allows you to make way through the lava.

i'm not sure if you know this but gulag prisoners neither have access to carpets nor the tools required to build a wall bridge over lava

[Lumbermancer]

But also gulag is on lava planet, so it can be done from other side by 3rd parties. I've seen it at least once.

[Dax Dupont]

-snip-

I didn't agree with the gulag sentence. It was already done before I even realized what happened. I am just stating what happened, if you can break out that fast someone else can, is why I list the example.

[obscolene]

But also gulag is on lava planet, so it can be done from other side by 3rd parties. I've seen it at least once.

and perma is on station, which is even easier to access by third parties.

[kevinz000]

ITT security mains got wrecked and wants buffs

[Lumbermancer]

I'm security and I don't want buffs.

[Limski]

Breaking out of the gulag is too easy, just grab a bottle of water from the vendor and splash yourself with it after you cross the one tile lava lake

[christ110]

why is this such an issue? like, i was given a 1000pts sentance for a bullshit reason and worked it off in like, 10 minutes. i just mined into walls whilst mining the ground for glass, it was almost -dare i say it- calming.

[D&B]

why is this such an issue? like, i was given a 1000pts sentance for a bullshit reason and worked it off in like, 10 minutes. i just mined into walls whilst mining the ground for glass, it was almost -dare i say it- calming.

Congrats on not reading the thread

[Steelpoint]

Might be easier to just extend the lava river to ensure a minimum of three lava tiles at any point between the gulag and rest of the planet.

[Super Aggro Crag]

Put a chasm

[Steelpoint]

Would anyone be interested in my revisiting my old idea of a asteroid prison. Essentially its one big asteroid that is a combination of a modern/fancy looking prisioner processing area, a large abandonded mining base, and a large series of empty mining shafts filled with crap loot and hivebots/xenos.

Otherwise I'll just make the lava lakes wider.

[FantasticFwoosh]

I don't initially now see the problem of a prison station right now, it'd sort of remind me of the super-prison from face off, teleport them using a tele-perma straight into a cell, if they riot or otherwise kill each other, the AI's going to bother you, but they will be a few space z levels away from hitting the station, its probably best to save a genetic backup of them incase they die.

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Just put in a tracking implant so the warden can talk to them individually too, not super stoked for it to be a asteroid since stone is fragile, but a solar powered setup with some gas miners for self sustainability would be fine. If you lose control of the prison station, they could probably hack the computer using a multi-tool on the board to get back to the station via security dock.

[leibniz]

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[Super Aggro Crag]

If you want to permanently remove someone from a round with them having no chance of returning under their own power why don't you cut the baloney and just fucking execute them? Why is this a fucking issue? "oh no I want to stop this guy from playing BUT I ALSO WANT TO MAKE HIM SUFFER CRUSHING TEDIUM INSTEAD OF GETTING TO OBSERVE THE ROUND"

fuck off

[D&B]

If you want to permanently remove someone from a round with them having no chance of returning under their own power why don't you cut the baloney and just fucking execute them? Why is this a fucking issue? "oh no I want to stop this guy from playing BUT I ALSO WANT TO MAKE HIM SUFFER CRUSHING TEDIUM INSTEAD OF GETTING TO OBSERVE THE ROUND"

fuck off

Because Gulag is the alternative when the cells are full/unavailable and their crimes merit enough sentencing but not enough for perma.

[Steelpoint]

I don't see the issue, if I want someone gone forever its very viable to execute them, debrain them, and then toss the brain in a forgotton corner forever.

At least with a Asteroid base it gives them something to do if they chose so, in addition they can still ghost at any time.

I likely won't propose a asteroid prison however, I will likely just expand the lava lake on Lavaland.

[FantasticFwoosh]

Or borg them/freeze them in ice.

Perhaps the prison station should have multiple cameraless killing/torture rooms for every kind of execution and punishment imaginable, Guantanamo Baystation.

Oh, and rock falls apart and causes atmos problems is why it shouldn't be externally layered explicitly with asteroid, look at how over the top & unsecure cerestation is where you can run rings around the AI sat by hollowing out a path then backdoor off cams into vital areas, its not actually that secure. And something like 4 layers of reinforced walls is dumb as heck.

[Super Aggro Crag]

Give us the freezey jail from demolition man

[Armhulen]

Time jail?

[FantasticFwoosh]

Give us the freezey jail from demolition man

Its on my list of things to do IC but i rarely find the opportunity to play HOS and set up a freon freeze chamber.

[Segmented]

Monitor your prisoners.

You never played sec have you?

I've seen Sec with six officers who all run around the hallway pretending to be Batman instead of most of them chilling in the department security stations. Maybe if the Head of Security was ever worthwhile he could organize them effectively.

[Steelpoint]

>organise security

Its akin to herding a bunch of monkeys. Sometimes a monkey is smarter than the rest but that's unlikely.

The last time I tried to organise my officers in a efficient manner they ignored what I said.

You just kinda let them do their thing.

[FantasticFwoosh]

Really the only things to organise are the sec bots, if we were higher RP we might have gotten away with sending people out on RP rotational patrol shifts but otherwise officers spend all their time standing around in brig or running all over the place. Occasionally they stop at the bar or at the brig, but usually its between one crisis zone to another or endless patrolling.

Fast communication with where officers are is metabreaking but also nessecary.

Counter suggestion, give security sec-walkie talkies that only speak into the security channel, a way to fast enable both functions on a walkie talkie without cutting wires/using modular triggers etc (alt click for fast toggle?), and allow that sec walkie talkie to attach onto the security jumpsuit. (though not strictly nessecary if its in your pocket but some sort of attachment would be cool and fast)

Alternatively you could put a sec radio in the officers PDA.

[Cheridan]

literally the whole point of the gulag is that people can come back from it. it's not meant to be "perma, but with lava"

deal w/ it

[Steelpoint]

Difference between earning your way out of the Gulag and escaping with little effort.

[FantasticFwoosh]

The finicky thing with gulag is essentially it is perma for 1 person if you remove their arms before you send them down.

[Professor Hangar]

Given the history of its namesake, I thought the Gulag being escapable with some miner assistance/creativity is a feature, not a bug.

Having been gulagged a few times, the main issue seems to be that half the time sec doesn't even bother setting points for release properly, or if they do it's the maximum, and if you return half the time they'll try to execute you anyway. (I usually was actually a traitor those times, but still)