Page 1 of 1
bring back ragin' mages
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 4:41 am
by christ110
Wizard rounds in their current form are not fun.
the wizard is encouraged to murderbone, since this is the effectively the one time this year that they will get to play wizard, and everyone despises friendly wizards.
one wizard vs 70 crewmembers is not the clusterfuck that wizard was meant to be, since the wizard is severely outnumbered.
therefore, i propose we bring back ragin' mages.
wizards are still encouraged to murderbone, since everyone hates friendly wizards, but they now can choose gimmicky ways of doing it since they will likely get another chance to play wizard in a few days.
with 5 or 10 wizards, the round becomes a true clusterfuck. this can be a good thing as to allow some players to vent their fustration and it keeps with the theme of wizards much better. (and maybe we can replace rev which we have been keeping because of its venting properties, with something better)
Re: bring back ragin' mages
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:22 pm
by AnonymousNow
I was personally very fond of the concept of Ragin' Mages and the kind of rounds that it would bring, even though I only encountered them very rarely.
Re: bring back ragin' mages
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 10:07 pm
by PKPenguin321
I always liked having this as a "cathartic release" button for when a round that was building up to be really good ended unexpectedly (like a server crash). That tends to fuck up the server and cause a lot of people to just leave, which kills population fast: The promise of a hectic and fast round with an extreme amount of chaos tends to keep people sticking around.
It never should have been in the official rotation, though, and I'm still not sure how it even got there.
Re: bring back ragin' mages
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 10:17 pm
by cedarbridge
PKPenguin321 wrote:I always liked having this as a "cathartic release" button for when a round that was building up to be really good ended unexpectedly (like a server crash). That tends to fuck up the server and cause a lot of people to just leave, which kills population fast: The promise of a hectic and fast round with an extreme amount of chaos tends to keep people sticking around.
It never should have been in the official rotation, though, and I'm still not sure how it even got there.
I'm not sure it ever was in the rotation except maybe on a very VERY low chance (I believe it is on /vg/ but their antag code and rates are entirely different things from ours.) The sad thing is that the rationale given for its complete removal was "Well, the admins will just mash the button anyway but there's no reason to just let them do it with one button." which is pretty wew.
Re: bring back ragin' mages
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 10:20 pm
by PKPenguin321
IIRC some memester snuck it into the rotation at a very low chance right around the time that it got removed. And yeah, the rationale for removing it wasn't great to begin with.
Re: bring back ragin' mages
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 10:27 pm
by onleavedontatme
Very ragin mages was stupid and I'm glad its gone but we should have replaced normal wizard with ragin mages
Re: bring back ragin' mages
Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 11:42 am
by Bawhoppennn
Normal wizard can be a good mode (doesn't tend to be though), but even normal ragin mages is pure meme deathmatch and cannot have any real rounds play out with it.
Re: bring back ragin' mages
Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 12:34 pm
by CPTANT
Bawhoppennn wrote:Normal wizard can be a good mode (doesn't tend to be though), but even normal ragin mages is pure meme deathmatch and cannot have any real rounds play out with it.
Still ragin mages resulted in more enjoyable rounds.
Re: bring back ragin' mages
Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 12:59 pm
by Bawhoppennn
Unless you think pure deathmatch is more enjoyable than crew cooperation rounds, it did not
Re: bring back ragin' mages
Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 1:40 pm
by pubby
I want wizard battle mode
there are 5 wizards
their mission is to kill or exile each other
they fight on the station
Re: bring back ragin' mages
Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:12 pm
by AnonymousNow
pubby wrote:I want wizard battle mode
there are 5 wizards
their mission is to kill or exile each other
they fight on the station
Re: bring back ragin' mages
Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 5:28 pm
by calzilla1
AnonymousNow wrote:pubby wrote:I want wizard battle mode
there are 5 wizards
their mission is to kill or exile each other
they fight on the station
But if they kill a crew member one spell gets permanently removed
Re: bring back ragin' mages
Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 3:51 am
by PKPenguin321
calzilla1 wrote:AnonymousNow wrote:pubby wrote:I want wizard battle mode
there are 5 wizards
their mission is to kill or exile each other
they fight on the station
But if they kill a crew member one spell gets permanently removed
That would be stupid because it means that basically only 5 people get to actually enjoy a conflict while the rest of the players on the server get to play extended
Re: bring back ragin' mages
Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 1:51 pm
by CPTANT
PKPenguin321 wrote:calzilla1 wrote:AnonymousNow wrote:pubby wrote:I want wizard battle mode
there are 5 wizards
their mission is to kill or exile each other
they fight on the station
But if they kill a crew member one spell gets permanently removed
That would be stupid because it means that basically only 5 people get to actually enjoy a conflict while the rest of the players on the server get to play extended
Lolwut? You think the crew isn't going to get caught in the crossfire?
Re: bring back ragin' mages
Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 1:58 pm
by Deitus
pubby wrote:I want wizard battle mode
there are 5 wizards
their mission is to kill or exile each other
they fight on the station
this is actually a great idea, i miss ragin mages since the vast majority of wizard rounds are one of three things
1) friendly wizard wanting to do a gimmick (immediately killed because muh balids/"lol fuck friendly antags amirite)
2) murderboning wizard
3) incompetent wizard that gets toolbox'd by some greyshirt and then blinks themselves into space where they crit (round time: 3 minutes)
having wizards have a war on the station with the crew caught in the crossfire would actually make for some really good rounds imo.
Re: bring back ragin' mages
Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 3:46 pm
by Nilons
Ragin mages was always trash whereas wizard is sometimes fun
Re: bring back ragin' mages
Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 3:54 pm
by TribeOfBeavers
Ragin mages always seemed to devolve into magic deathmatch. I guess it's alright if that's what you're going for but I personally never liked that kind of thing.
Re: bring back ragin' mages
Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:47 pm
by iamgoofball
Kor wrote:Very ragin mages was stupid and I'm glad its gone but we should have replaced normal wizard with ragin mages
It was made at the request of HG
Re: bring back ragin' mages
Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:29 pm
by PKPenguin321
CPTANT wrote:PKPenguin321 wrote:calzilla1 wrote:AnonymousNow wrote:pubby wrote:I want wizard battle mode
there are 5 wizards
their mission is to kill or exile each other
they fight on the station
But if they kill a crew member one spell gets permanently removed
That would be stupid because it means that basically only 5 people get to actually enjoy a conflict while the rest of the players on the server get to play extended
Lolwut? You think the crew isn't going to get caught in the crossfire?
They won't because if calzilla's suggestion goes in then the wizards will actively avoid getting people in the crossfire
Re: bring back ragin' mages
Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 9:21 am
by christ110
nah, just 5 or 10 wizards, with no objectives other than be a wizard.
that will give us all the chaos that wizard rounds demand.
Re: bring back ragin' mages
Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:47 am
by AnonymousNow
I never got to encounter Very Bullshit Ragin' Mages myself.
Re: bring back ragin' mages
Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 1:03 pm
by BeeSting12
the funnest wizard round i ever had was when kor got wizard, named himself suicide, and then suicided within fifteen seconds.
Re: bring back ragin' mages
Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:40 am
by oranges
nobody will stop you from bringing it back
Re: bring back ragin' mages
Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 3:31 pm
by Cobby
PKPenguin321 wrote:calzilla1 wrote:AnonymousNow wrote:pubby wrote:I want wizard battle mode
there are 5 wizards
their mission is to kill or exile each other
they fight on the station
But if they kill a crew member one spell gets permanently removed
That would be stupid because it means that basically only 5 people get to actually enjoy a conflict while the rest of the players on the server get to play extended
Simple, when one remains they have to escape to win. None of them escape = crew victory!