Traitor Items

Cipher3 · Post by **Cipher3** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 1:12 am #60293

Bottom post of the previous page:

Luke Cox wrote:
CocaneStyle wrote:

Fiber Wire, when used on someone who is knocked down it instantly puts someone in an aggressive grab.
I want this so bad

It must be made immediately.

Fragnostic wrote:Plasteel Knuckles:
Fits in your glove slot, but provides no protection against shock or shards.
Increases your punch damage by 2 brute and maybe a higher knockout chance.
Cost:2-3 TC
Good weapon for the bare-handed security wreckers(Yig)

Underpowered. Security has armor too remember.

Ricotez · Post by **Ricotez** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 2:46 am #60346

Balut wrote:Mmmmoostly related, I don't suppose I could suggest getting an executive suit, clown mask, and nitrile gloves added to the Guns Syndie bundle huh.

Post by **PKPenguin321** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 4:44 am #60375

Miauw wrote:letting normal traitors order explosive implants is something to be considered.

pickpocketing gloves sounds cool.

You can literally sleepypen-explosive implant a target then toss them out an airlock or something for essentially a parapen+c4 since it gibs the target when they die, pls no

Gloves do sound really fun and I would love to have them, they're kinda balanced by people almost immediately seeing you're taking their things. The issue is that if you can stand next to like a sec officer or something for a second you can slip off their backpack/stungun/headset/all three before they realize it and then it's ggnore

And all these brass knuckles-esque suggestions, I think (but don't quote me on this) that these have been considered but not made since code to modify punch damage is fucky and annoying.

Snakebutt · Post by **Snakebutt** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 4:54 am #60377

pickpocketing would only be faster, not instant, and if either person moves, it's still cancelled. Sec should rightfully be concerned about standing near random fucks, particularly tiders with yellow gloves anyways, no idea what they have. Plus if your hands are full, stuff drops on the floor, so you can only take one item(active hand) off of them.

Plus the possibility of ripping the taser out of their holster, tasing them and then looting all their shit is just too fucking brilliant. Nevermind reverse pickpocketing live grenades, or planting evidence while someone is being arrested. It opens up so many fun opportunities.

Not-Dorsidarf · Sun Jul 30, 2023 1:33 am

Just being able to put shit in people's pockets really fast or near-instantly is nearly a traitor item of it's own really. Here comes sec after you? Plop all your traitor items in the pockets of people in the hall! Activate a grenade, put it in their pockets, run! C4 for days! Put an emag in a greyshirt's pocket and then call the HOS on him! Guaranteed permabrigging! Yours for only $5.99.

Snakebutt · Post by **Snakebutt** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 11:08 am #60444

But the alert message makes it blatant as fuck as every person in sight sees "Urist McPotato places INCRIMINATING EVIDENCE in Assistant McChucklefuck's pockets!".

Silent pickpocketing means less attentive players might not even notice their headset being pulled if they don't have their ragdoll slots open, might not notice that live grenade in their pocket, or the PDA suddenly disappearing. Just like how it is with real pickpockets, you don't realize they've struck until you need what they took. It will probably need to be rather expensive for a stealth item the more I think on it, on par with a projector, but it opens avenues to pull off some amazing plans.

Not-Dorsidarf · Sun Jul 30, 2023 1:33 am

Uh, there is no alert for pickpocketing or reverse pick-pocketing. Even the pocketee only gets a message if they or the pocketer move while they're doing it.

Post by **PKPenguin321** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 8:04 pm #60568

Yeah, pickpocketing already doesn't give a strip message. The gloves remove the strip message from ALL stripping and placing. They also speed up the process. I guess they could remove the "You feel a fumbling in your right pocket!" message for failed pickpockets.

All that aside, I'd love to have these in the game.

Vigilare · Post by **Vigilare** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 8:14 pm #60569

why not:
- make pickpocketing instant with gloves (so no alert message)
- remove big red alert text for trying to strip stuff
- but give the 'you feel a fumbling' message if you/they move while stripping

so pickpocketing is 100% awesome, and taking the cap's space suit with gloves is now the same as picking a pocket without gloves

Snakebutt · Post by **Snakebutt** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 8:42 pm #60575

Also adding the item directly to your hands instead of to the floor, because that's pretty obvious and ruins the whole point if anyone can see the object falling off and then you have to frantically click to pick it up while their sprite obscures it.

Didn't know pickpocketing was silent to others, that's good to know.

Snakebutt · Post by **Snakebutt** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 11:36 pm #60609

NT hires known bombers, mad scientists, chefs willing to serve human meat, clowns willing to walk straight out an airlock with little more than a space suit 'to find the clown planet', half-magpie thieves, Chaplains who worship everything from Spacegod to Lord Singuloth to gay men....

You shouldn't trust you coworkers. At least not too far.

Balut · Post by **Balut** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 12:26 am #60630

Cipher3 wrote:
Fragnostic wrote:Plasteel Knuckles:
Fits in your glove slot, but provides no protection against shock or shards.
Increases your punch damage by 2 brute and maybe a higher knockout chance.
Cost:2-3 TC
Good weapon for the bare-handed security wreckers(Yig)
Underpowered. Security has armor too remember.

That's why you aim for the crotch.

Cipher3 · Post by **Cipher3** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 2:35 am #60658

Balut wrote:
Cipher3 wrote:
Fragnostic wrote:Plasteel Knuckles:
Fits in your glove slot, but provides no protection against shock or shards.
Increases your punch damage by 2 brute and maybe a higher knockout chance.
Cost:2-3 TC
Good weapon for the bare-handed security wreckers(Yig)
Underpowered. Security has armor too remember.
That's why you aim for the crotch.

Doesn't change the fact that it does less damage than your average good melee weapon.

Not-Dorsidarf · Tue Jan 20, 2015 9:24 am

Does less damage than a welder, toolbox, syndie toolbox, large O2 tank, fire extinguisher, metal rods, metal sheets, the list goes on and on.

Void Slayer · Post by **Void Slayer** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 11:26 am #60747

Viscerator Hive Injector

Cost 8-10 TC

When activated spawns 1 manhack viscerator. Can be used 3-5 times (in a row if needed).

Also makes all viscerators see you as friendly so you are not attacked.

Single Use Clone Pod

Cost 10-15 TC

Green ugly plant thingy that is planted somewhere, inject with your blood. If you die it will burst and revive you. If the pod is destroyed it will instead unleash a npc plant person that will attack randomly.

False Fingerprint Gloves

Cost 5 TC

These black gloves let you leave specific fibers, fingerprints and blood types when interacting with objects.

soulgamer · Post by **soulgamer** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 11:47 am #60749

A light grenade. Costs twenty tc's. Picking it up or pulling it after it has activated and set on the ground turns you to ash dropping your gear where you stand.

Snakebutt · Post by **Snakebutt** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 2:17 pm #60783

That's basically the SME shard.

soulgamer · Post by **soulgamer** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 6:33 pm #60879

Snakebutt wrote:That's basically the SME shard.

Except it isnt dangerous unless you are stupid enough to pick it up. SME shard fucks everyone in a five block radius.

Phalanx300 · Post by **Phalanx300** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 6:53 pm #60884

Maybe make it so one bundle contains a "Facehugger-X" which will give a special facehugger which will turn you (not a ghost) into a larva which can only turn into a hunter so no spreading the infestation. Basicly gives a single Alien predating the station without totally screwing the round. (Also we need more bundles regardless!)

Fragnostic · Post by **Fragnostic** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 8:10 pm #60902

Gladiator Bundle:
1 energy sword
1 energy shield
1 Gladiator helmet(like the mime costume)
1 regular piece of armor with a huge S on it.
Cost:20 TC

Scones · Post by **Scones** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 8:17 pm #60908

Fragnostic wrote:Gladiator Bundle:
1 energy sword
1 energy shield
1 Gladiator helmet(like the mime costume)
1 regular piece of armor with a huge S on it.
Cost:20 TC

Energy Shield is arguably the most overpowered Nuke item right now so let's not. It deflects disablers (Unless this was fixed), lasers, and tasers, meaning the only hope Security has against you is the Riot Shotguns and the Detective's Revolver, both of which are underwhelming at best with their default ammo.

False fingerprint gloves that allow you to scan an object with existing fingerprints and replicate those in the future is super cool, though.

Post by **MMMiracles** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 9:46 pm #60924

Cecily wrote:
Fragnostic wrote:Gladiator Bundle:
1 energy sword
1 energy shield
1 Gladiator helmet(like the mime costume)
1 regular piece of armor with a huge S on it.
Cost:20 TC
Energy Shield is arguably the most overpowered Nuke item right now so let's not. It deflects disablers (Unless this was fixed), lasers, and tasers, meaning the only hope Security has against you is the Riot Shotguns and the Detective's Revolver, both of which are underwhelming at best with their default ammo.

A duel-blade does the same thing and still leaves you with a couple telecrystals for c4 or anything else. Make the bundle only work if you wear the blatant "im a syndie" armor if its that much of an issue.

Snakebutt · Post by **Snakebutt** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 10:25 pm #60935

Phalanx300 wrote:Maybe make it so one bundle contains a "Facehugger-X" which will give a special facehugger which will turn you (not a ghost) into a larva which can only turn into a hunter so no spreading the infestation. Basicly gives a single Alien predating the station without totally screwing the round. (Also we need more bundles regardless!)

I'd much rather this be a lowpop game mode, a la Alien/Alien Isolation.

Basically make a new, more robust alium, visually identical to others buy not available for larva evolution because it's much, much more powerful. The idea is a single alien is loose on the station, picking off isolated crew members. Fast and deadly, it can't stand up to direct fire from a well equipped crew member or potshots from a sec team, but is more than capable of fucking up one person.

Lets us see the aliens more often, and evokes the mood from the original movie rather than the more popular Aliens.

Cipher3 · Post by **Cipher3** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 11:24 pm #60964

Snakebutt wrote:Basically make a new, more robust alium, visually identical to others buy not available for larva evolution because it's much, much more powerful. The idea is a single alien is loose on the station, picking off isolated crew members. Fast and deadly, it can't stand up to direct fire from a well equipped crew member or potshots from a sec team, but is more than capable of fucking up one person.

Like Shadowling.

Drynwyn · Post by **Drynwyn** » Wed Jan 21, 2015 4:54 am #61083

Ricotez wrote:
Balut wrote:Mmmmoostly related, I don't suppose I could suggest getting an executive suit, clown mask, and nitrile gloves added to the Guns Syndie bundle huh.

I shall code this thing. It should be very easy.

<cue me finding out that it will require ten million lines of code because lol BYOND>

EDIT: I have coded this thing and created a PR. https://github.com/tgstation/-tg-station/pull/7242

Phalanx300 · Post by **Phalanx300** » Wed Jan 21, 2015 1:52 pm #61198

Snakebutt wrote:
Phalanx300 wrote:Maybe make it so one bundle contains a "Facehugger-X" which will give a special facehugger which will turn you (not a ghost) into a larva which can only turn into a hunter so no spreading the infestation. Basicly gives a single Alien predating the station without totally screwing the round. (Also we need more bundles regardless!)
I'd much rather this be a lowpop game mode, a la Alien/Alien Isolation.

Basically make a new, more robust alium, visually identical to others buy not available for larva evolution because it's much, much more powerful. The idea is a single alien is loose on the station, picking off isolated crew members. Fast and deadly, it can't stand up to direct fire from a well equipped crew member or potshots from a sec team, but is more than capable of fucking up one person.

Lets us see the aliens more often, and evokes the mood from the original movie rather than the more popular Aliens.

Would love this as that "feeling" seems better to me then the one in Aliens and the action games. However I doubt it will be added in as a gamemode which is why perhaps as a very rare bundle it could work. Maybe even as a very rare event (alien hunter spawning).

Miauw · Post by **Miauw** » Wed Jan 21, 2015 2:58 pm #61221

Phalanx300 wrote:
CocaneStyle wrote:

Fiber Wire, when used on someone who is knocked down it instantly puts someone in an aggressive grab.
Make it so headset cannot be used during this.

parapen 2: electric shitaloo

also pls no more murderbone bundles or items.

Balut · Post by **Balut** » Wed Jan 21, 2015 8:36 pm #61289

Drynwyn wrote:
Ricotez wrote:
Balut wrote:Mmmmoostly related, I don't suppose I could suggest getting an executive suit, clown mask, and nitrile gloves added to the Guns Syndie bundle huh.

I shall code this thing. It should be very easy.

<cue me finding out that it will require ten million lines of code because lol BYOND>

EDIT: I have coded this thing and created a PR. https://github.com/tgstation/-tg-station/pull/7242

You're a cool dude.

Question: What's up with the return at the bottom of your PR? Like where it's all "a return was taken away! a return was added!" And stuff. Like do PRs just do this or.

Drynwyn · Post by **Drynwyn** » Wed Jan 21, 2015 11:54 pm #61347

Balut wrote: Question: What's up with the return at the bottom of your PR? Like where it's all "a return was taken away! a return was added!" And stuff. Like do PRs just do this or.

Git just does that sometimes if the line numbers have changed.

Lo6a4evskiy · Post by **Lo6a4evskiy** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 9:26 am #61542

Actually, you added a new line in the end where there was none.

deathhoof · Post by **deathhoof** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 3:53 pm #61596

5 TC - Syndie-flesh, a super potent healing chem that works like fleshmend. It comes in medical patches. Basically used in conjunction with stim injections to rush security.

Not-Dorsidarf · Thu Jan 22, 2015 4:11 pm

0TC-Fuck-Nonium: A super-potent poision which causes the computer of anyone who suggests making traitors able to do even more of changeling's unique features to disintegrate in real life.

Drynwyn · Post by **Drynwyn** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 12:17 am #61752

Thing I'm going to code now: Syndicate Drone.
Purchasable by both normal Traitors and Nukeops. Works and looks just like a normal drone shell, but is bound to it's owner rather than the normal KEEPER laws.

Xhuis · Post by **Xhuis** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 12:53 am #61767

Drynwyn wrote:Thing I'm going to code now: Syndicate Drone.
Purchasable by both normal Traitors and Nukeops. Works and looks just like a normal drone shell, but is bound to it's owner rather than the normal KEEPER laws.

There's already something like this called a Syndrone which has a red and black paint job, with the lawset like Kill, Intefere, Destroy or something like that. It starts with an uplink with 10TC.

Obviously yours should be different than that. The drone's speech should be able to be understood by the master, and it should obviously cost a lot seeing as it's an all-access, ventcrawlable killing machine.

Post by **lumipharon** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 1:00 am #61770

But syndie drones are already a thing. They're also hilariously strong.

Letting traitors get them would be hilarious broken. They have all access, can ventcrawl while carrying and holding shit, can crawl over tables/under flaps, they're a small target so you have to click on them to hit them, otherwise projectiles go overhead, and lastly, and most importantly, you can wear them as hats.

No one will see it coming when you take your hat off, and throw a fireaxe wielding sydie drone at them.
Oh, also dragging soap around is hilariously robust.

Balut · Post by **Balut** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 5:48 am #61826

Why are you trying to make a silly 'ghost is boring let's make robots instead' thing into a traitor item?

Jacough · Post by **Jacough** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 6:11 am #61832

HoNkoMax cartridge: when you slap this in your PDA it allows you to send honk viruses like the clown's PDA but with a twist: instead of simply honking the victim's PDA will emit the honkblaster's tugboat honk and like the honkblaster it will knock everyone nearby down, deafen them, and make them lapse into seizures. The victim himself will also take a moderate amount of damage from each honk. Use on the HoP when he's swamped with greyshirts for max fun

Lumbermancer · Post by **Lumbermancer** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 1:10 pm #61918

Traitor doesn't need more weapons, it needs more stealth no-lethal gadgets. Goon has a few i'd like to see here, http://wiki.ss13.co/Syndicate_Items , with few balance changes perhaps.

Prototype Cloaking Device: Basically it would create a 3x3 invisibility field. You could put it in places where people don't often visit, and hide bodies or items there. If someone walks into the field, they can see what's hidden obviously.

Signal Jammer: Would disable radio communication in an area.

Target ID Tracker: To track your target. Maybe it shouldn't point directly at person like Pinpointer, but instead show only general direction.

Floor Closet: Maybe replace the hidey satchel with it, no one uses it anyway I think.

Holographic Disguiser: It would replace your name and appearance with random one. Would not affect voice, so talking gives you away.

Thermite Breaching Charge: Thermite in easy to handle package. Melts a single wall. Makes noise when in use.

Not-Dorsidarf · Fri Jan 23, 2015 1:36 pm

Floor closet: Making bodies even easier to hide is not a good thing
Target ID tracker: No. Go look for them yourself.
Signal Jammer: No. Use one of the bafrillion other ways you have of instantly killing someone without anyone knowing
Thermite charge: This is what C4 is now, but less loud.
Holographic disguiser: I still need to finish this one.

Lumbermancer · Post by **Lumbermancer** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 1:59 pm #61929

Floor closet: Making bodies even easier to hide is not a good thing

Make bodies not fit, make container smaller. I was thinking of better hidey satchel.

Target ID tracker: No. Go look for them yourself.

It would limit civilian casualties. Balance with cost.

Thermite charge: This is what C4 is now, but less loud.

It would limit collateral damage to the station. Cost can be balanced. Make it silent instead etc.

Snakebutt · Post by **Snakebutt** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 3:28 pm #61952

C4 is 1tc for one of the most powerful weapons traitors have. Ever seen how much damage all 20 bricks can do? Heres a hint, it brings a tear to cuban pete's eye.

Upping the c4 price and adding thermite to the 1tc slot would be a nice tradeoff.

Floorlockers sound stupid, and Ive used satchels often enough to hide my objective so I dont have to worry about getting caught, or as a gimmick(buried treasure anyone?)

Balut · Post by **Balut** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 7:53 pm #62038

Lumbermancer wrote:Prototype Cloaking Device: Basically it would create a 3x3 invisibility field. You could put it in places where people don't often visit, and hide bodies or items there. If someone walks into the field, they can see what's hidden obviously.

Oh man. That sounds HILARIOUS. Slap it down in some abandoned hall and surround it with corpses, it'd be like accidentally walking into a PTSD zone.

Also Goontraitors can get a syringe gun that synthesizes it's own syringes - all you gotta do is put chems in it and it'll shoot 15u of whatever's in there automatically, with a 90u capacity.

That sounds fucking awesome, can we get that? Like, not even as a traitor item, but a crew tool. Maybe RnD.

Drynwyn · Post by **Drynwyn** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 4:46 am #62178

Alert: Payday Guns bundle merged.

Screemonster · Post by **Screemonster** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 5:16 am #62185

Holographic projector that makes a copy of yourself appear dodging and running around your immediate vicinity.

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Miauw · Post by **Miauw** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 1:20 pm #62254

What do you guys think about basically a mannequin that you can dress up?

Balut · Post by **Balut** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 9:44 pm #62442

Can it be a blowup traitor that you can throw that says stock traitor lines, like that one thing in Phantom Pain.

Also I remember an oooldass thread for traitor gear suggestions. I think one suggestion was like a little rolling holo-projector that basically duplicates you and moves off in the direction you toss it, for distractions and escapes and the like.

Post by **lumipharon** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 1:24 am #62508

RC toy car, with mounted camera and (optional) mounted satchel/bomb. Zoom Zoom.

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 8:46 am #62615

Only if unmodded ones get added to arcades.

soulgamer · Post by **soulgamer** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 10:20 am #62630

Still waiting on a briefcase full of cash so I can buy my objective off of someone or perhaps even pay someone else to do my job for me (with admin approval of course)

Miauw · Post by **Miauw** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 1:50 pm #62669

soulgamer wrote:Still waiting on a briefcase full of cash so I can buy my objective off of someone or perhaps even pay someone else to do my job for me (with admin approval of course)

that was merged recently.

Phalanx300 · Post by **Phalanx300** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 7:06 pm #62725

How about Tank Transfer Valves? Would allow for some sneaky stuff using the Incinerator.