Gang without conversion

[CPTANT]

Make gangs a group antagonists (4 people per gang or so) without conversion who have as an objective to destroy the other gangs and escape alive, with the influence and equipment system of old gang.

Give gangs an item that in exchange for influence reveals the identity (or pinpoints) an enemy gang member.

Remove dominators and turrets and that other super heavy weaponry

This way the gang war will be more covert, and not neccesarily antagonistic to the crew (this will often still happen of course). I think this will lead to a more "underworld" feel for the entire gamemode.

[Selea]

Conversion should be possible, but only voluntary one.

[D&B]

You mean self antagging?

Fucking lmao

[Qbmax32]

So basically the antags get to have a gang war while the rest of the station sits out?

[Dax Dupont]

So basically the antags get to have a gang war while the rest of the station sits out?

When you put it like that, it sounds like regular traitor except with less bombs.

Maybe less syndicate bombs but I can assure you there will be many a kaboom

[CPTANT]

So basically the antags get to have a gang war while the rest of the station sits out?

You can also describe traitor as "a couple of people completes an objective and the rest sits it out"?

Plenty of stuff would be caught in the crossfire.

Territory and team mechanics differentiate from traitor.

[Not-Dorsidarf]

I think the major design flaw with Gang is that it requires both Sec to not go “hostiles on station time to become the fourth reich” and requires the gangs not to storm sec for their huge stockpile of generally poorly-guarded guns and armour

[Jzoid]

I think the major design flaw with Gang is that it requires both Sec to not go “hostiles on station time to become the fourth reich” and requires the gangs not to storm sec for their huge stockpile of generally poorly-guarded guns and armour

I know we've attempted to remove sec from gangs (Which I think went better), would we just be able to remove the hole wing too? Just like BSA it round start or remove every item there. That stops the gun issue.

[DemonFiren]

That's meta as fuck.

[Not-Dorsidarf]

I think the major design flaw with Gang is that it requires both Sec to not go “hostiles on station time to become the fourth reich” and requires the gangs not to storm sec for their huge stockpile of generally poorly-guarded guns and armour

I know we've attempted to remove sec from gangs (Which I think went better), would we just be able to remove the hole wing too? Just like BSA it round start or remove every item there. That stops the gun issue.

oldman tried that, didnt he? It was kind of universally panned

[Ikarrus]

I like it.

Gangs eventually grew to this complex abomination of bad mechanics. Removing the conversion element and simplifying it (although I'd go even further), would probably work better as then they could also be integrated with regular Traitor-Ling rounds

[CPTANT]

Maybe mix in some protection objectives to represent racketeering and prevent gangs from just murderboning the entire station.

[PKPenguin321]

if there are still spray tags, security will still go bananas the second they see one at roundstart which was always one of the big flaws of the mode

[CPTANT]

if there are still spray tags, security will still go bananas the second they see one at roundstart which was always one of the big flaws of the mode

Why would they go banana's if there is no conversion and implanting everyone is pointless?

[PKPenguin321]

if there are still spray tags, security will still go bananas the second they see one at roundstart which was always one of the big flaws of the mode

Why would they go banana's if there is no conversion and implanting everyone is pointless?

because they are now acutely aware that if they see somebody wearing the wrong uniform for their job they likely have 10 guns on them that they can steal and use

imagine if traitors had to leave behind signs that said "valid guy with free traitor gear this way ->" before they could use their uplink

[CPTANT]

I still think this idea has merit, especially if we are going to fully use our datum antag system.

[oranges]

I think the major design flaw with Gang is that it requires both Sec to not go “hostiles on station time to become the fourth reich” and requires the gangs not to storm sec for their huge stockpile of generally poorly-guarded guns and armour

I know we've attempted to remove sec from gangs (Which I think went better), would we just be able to remove the hole wing too? Just like BSA it round start or remove every item there. That stops the gun issue.

oldman tried that, didnt he? It was kind of universally panned

if youhave to delete ajob and an entire wing of the station to make your gamemode work it's fundamentally fucked.

[CPTANT]

I think the major design flaw with Gang is that it requires both Sec to not go “hostiles on station time to become the fourth reich” and requires the gangs not to storm sec for their huge stockpile of generally poorly-guarded guns and armour

I know we've attempted to remove sec from gangs (Which I think went better), would we just be able to remove the hole wing too? Just like BSA it round start or remove every item there. That stops the gun issue.

oldman tried that, didnt he? It was kind of universally panned

if youhave to delete ajob and an entire wing of the station to make your gamemode work it's fundamentally fucked.

That seriously wasn't necessary in the first place, I think it was a dumb direction to go.

[CPTANT]

Anyway this suggestion doesn't even have conversion, so there isn't any reason for sec to go haywire on the crew with implants and shit.

[Saegrimr]

Keep the tags bug make it only visible to gang members and the janitor.