give traitors some free items

[Bluespace]

nothing spectacular, just a few staples of the traitor gamemode.
maybe give them a free agent card and syndicate key.
they wouldn't spawn in inv by default, you'd pick them out of a free category in the uplink, so you can get them when you're ready.

i've always felt like the uplink should be used for buying more dangerous and lethal items, rather than the stealthy and roleplay items costing tc.

[Yakumo_Chen]

Yes because giving lone antagonists a free reliably secure communication is why ling is the best game mode, right?

Man I sure would love playing AI a lot more when all the people with the free license to murderbone are able to get a free item that makes them impossible to track.

[CPTANT]

Most stealth stuff is already dirt cheap.

[Selea]

I think, syndicate key, baloons and cards should be free.

[Anonmare]

Agent cards are far too good to be free

They're reforge-able, can steal access, make you invisible to the AI's track function and securitrons/ED209's + non-AI turrets ignore people wearing them.

Combine with a chameleon kit and you have a reliable way of making yourself undetectable. At 2 TCs, they're massively underpriced tbh.

They also have much higher throwforce and an embed chance, comparable to a throwing star.

[Shaps-cloud]

Yeah lemme just wedge my access card right into the HoS' skull and leave myself stranded without any way to get out when it doesn't fall off of him or he just picks it up after it comes out

What a strange feature

[Anonmare]

Yeah lemme just wedge my access card right into the HoS' skull and leave myself stranded without any way to get out when it doesn't fall off of him or he just picks it up after it comes out

What a strange feature

It's more of something to use if you're desperate. if the IDs were free, there'd be no reason to buy the throwable weapons equipment as agent IDs would fulfil that role and many others for zero cost

[Bluespace]

Yeah lemme just wedge my access card right into the HoS' skull and leave myself stranded without any way to get out when it doesn't fall off of him or he just picks it up after it comes out

What a strange feature

It's more of something to use if you're desperate. if the IDs were free, there'd be no reason to buy the throwable weapons equipment as agent IDs would fulfil that role and many others for zero cost

only one agent card is free

[Luke Cox]

I could MAYBE see a case for making syndicate keys free, but other than that, absolutely not

[Anonmare]

non-AI turrets ignore people wearing them.

So any turrets not at roundstart or do you need to turn off the AI control in construction?

The turrets in the AI Upload and AI sat are faction turrets and will always shoot anyone not in their faction ("silicon").

Turrets the crew makes are not faction affiliated and can be set to target silicons, these turrets will ignore anyone wearing an agent ID as they perceive them as a lower threat than they actually are.

Turrets function very similarly to beepsky and will assign anyone they see a threat level according to their parameters, an agent ID will loophole several of those parameters. Such as the check weapons parameter which checks if you're wearing an ID with weapons authorisation or a syndicate ID card, if you have it either - it'll return 0 on that check, if you don't it adds 4 threat levels if you're holding the weapon in your hand, and 2 threat levels if the weapon is visible (on your belt for example) but not held.

The anomaly check will have the turret shoot simple_mobs not in the turret faction, Xenomorphs, Syndicate and emagged cyborgs.

[Yakumo_Chen]

Traitors don't need free stealth comms, if you want to have the chance of teaming up with other antags, you should have to pay TC for it. Lings can already team up and make anywhere essentially a deathtrap where they decide to bait people, moreso because you can't tell if someone is a ling until they bring their armblade out. Add that to free healing and adrenals and xray vision and then put three of them in there and it's not a fun time for anyone to fight.

[EagleWiz]

This suggustion reads like someone noticed everyone hates how lings are much more powerful then standard traitors and decided to correct it in the worst way possible.
No traitor buffs plz

[Dr_bee]

If we dont want traitors having free comms why the hell do we let changelings have free comms when they are stronger than traitors.

[cedarbridge]

This suggustion reads like someone noticed everyone hates how lings are much more powerful then standard traitors and decided to correct it in the worst way possible.
No traitor buffs plz

If we dont want traitors having free comms why the hell do we let changelings have free comms when they are stronger than traitors.

[LifeReign]

Let's make being a non-antag an even more miserable experience by turning traitors into changelings 0.75.

Or alternatively,

Let's have Romerol memes every fucking traitor round because now the item priced around requiring extreme luck or tentative teamwork is much easier to work with.

How about no?

[Selea]

It would be logical if we give free comms to traitors and remove free comms from changelings.

[Bluespace]

Changelings have free permanent silent hive mind and don’t even cooperate that often.
Giving traitors a free headset (WHICH CAN BE HIJACKED BY ANY MEMBER OF SECURITY AT ANY TIME) seems like it’d encourage more roundstart communication as to traitor plans, then most likely silence, because it’s easy to listen in on the traitor channel.

[Lumbermancer]

I could MAYBE see a case for making syndicate keys free, but other than that, absolutely not

Ling hive chat is already cancer, and you want to extend it to traitors? If you want easy mode coop, shell our for a key. Or for the love of god use keywords.

Changelings have free permanent silent hive mind and don’t even cooperate that often.

They do every time, when I'm also ling. But then I also kill them all by cooperating with Captain or security.

[DemonFiren]

I think, syndicate key, baloons and cards should be free.

Key and cards have been discussed, as for balloons the whole fucking point is that they eat all your TCs and paint a big red "VALID" target on you so you can brag about having greentexted with it.

They do every time, when I'm also ling. But then I also kill them all by cooperating with Captain or security.

Also, you're cancer if you're betraying successful stealthlings.
Oh, wait. Everyone here murderbones with a hidden autocloner just in case.

[Selea]

key--discussion isn't over.
cards--I mean playing cards.
baloons just too cute.

[Anuv]

I was just thinking the same thing the other day, giving free keys. It'd help teamplay so so so much instead of a desword asshole killing every other traitor blindly, since code words don't do shit. Also with how lings get silent comms, it's still balanced.

There is a risk of security power gaming and screwdrivering every other person's headset, however.

Also I came up with the 40 TC surplus crate idea and I want it bought more often dang it

[Lumbermancer]

That's what we need, more team deathmatch.

[Ayy Lemoh]

That's what we need, more team deathmatch.

If a traitor can kill 25 players, he gets the nuke codes and can activate the station self destruct to kill everyone.

Unless you're some nerd who gets 22 kills and uses the emp killstreak for some reason wtf

oh, also, don't forget the deathstreaks. A good example would be if you were killed and cloned four times then you drop a primed syndicate minibomb when you die.

In all seriousness, free items wouldn't be good and there would be massive metagaming if traitors got syndicate keys. If the solution to that is something where it basically turns them into shittier lings then that's lazy and traitor may aswell just be replaced with nuke ops.

[Luke Cox]

Half of the traitors would probably turn on each other to steal gear. I sincerely doubt there'd be a team deathmatch scenario. Would also make double agent rounds rather interesting.

[cedarbridge]

Half of the traitors would probably turn on each other to steal gear. I sincerely doubt there'd be a team deathmatch scenario. Would also make double agent rounds rather interesting.

DA hasn't existed for many moons.