[poll] Old armor vs new armor

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Which do you prefer?

New Armor
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New Armor
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New Armor
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18%
Old Armor
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Old Armor
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Old Armor
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Abstain
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Abstain
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[poll] Old armor vs new armor

Postby paprika » Thu Nov 13, 2014 9:25 am #43091

Warning: This is really an explicitly oldfag opinion rant thread.

Basically I just want to know the opinions of people who've been around a long time about whether or not you prefer the new, PMC-style security contractor style security, or you think the old style was better.

This thread is directly about both the standard helmet and the body armor.

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I don't really have mob-equipped sprites on hand but something can be said about how old shitty helmets and armor used to look. I'm not planning on anything currently as far as sprite changes, but I'd like to know, because it's little things like this that shape our game and its aesthetic.

If you're unfamiliar with the old armor, you can easily see it on laser tag helmets, the detective's body armor, or the bulletproof vest in the armory.
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Re: [poll] Old armor vs new armor

Postby iyaerP » Thu Nov 13, 2014 9:43 am #43098

I really liked the old armour a lot better for both the helms and the bodypiece. The new one looks too pointy. Even just getting rid of the three black pixels above the glasses would help it a lot.

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Re: [poll] Old armor vs new armor

Postby Steelpoint » Thu Nov 13, 2014 9:45 am #43099

I prefer the new armour simply because the new armour appears more serious in tone while the old armour looked more goofy in appearance, as well as slightly fat.
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Re: [poll] Old armor vs new armor

Postby paprika » Thu Nov 13, 2014 9:51 am #43101

The fat thing was because the armpit pixels were covered up which is easily changed, I already did it for the detective's armor in my open PR, and it makes the armor look less wide in general. The power only a few pixels have over sprites like this is massive.

I think over-seriousing sec with ausops sprites have kind of detracted from the 'friendly but robust' hidden tiger thing and made them really hostile and aggressive by default. I dunno, from what I've observed, people have just been more aggressive in general due to faceless sec stuff. People will always play shitcurity just because it's funny to them, but meh, the military combat helmets and the extremely dark use of color instead of the greyer metal looking pallete for sec has made them look really shady IMO. Don't get me wrong they look badass, but the combat armor feels out of space on the lighter tone of the space station. Not to mention it looks weird with the HoP/bartender :/
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Re: [poll] Old armor vs new armor

Postby MisterPerson » Thu Nov 13, 2014 9:55 am #43102

I think the gas mask is more of a contributor to the faceless goon look more than anything.
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Re: [poll] Old armor vs new armor

Postby paprika » Thu Nov 13, 2014 9:56 am #43103

Well I've already dealt with the gas mask since you can hang it around your neck and it doesn't cover your whole face anymore (pls merge my PR)

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Re: [poll] Old armor vs new armor

Postby Saegrimr » Thu Nov 13, 2014 10:06 am #43106

Well if we're going with that gas mask, I think the new helmet color scheme goes better with it, though the visor looks kind of tiny.
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Re: [poll] Old armor vs new armor

Postby iyaerP » Thu Nov 13, 2014 11:29 am #43125

As far as the gasmask goes, it is far more usefull/fun for the STOP RIGHT THERE CRIMINAL SCUM element than the faceless goon element. Although that can also be fun.

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Re: [poll] Old armor vs new armor

Postby dezzmont » Thu Nov 13, 2014 11:39 am #43128

The main point of the gasmask mechanically is to conceal your face, not for security to look cool.

Security breather masks work if you want to have a more aggressive black mask for security you could have it be a unique spawn for them, but every unique cosmetic makes blending in harder and harder. Remember that the more unique you make something look the more actual effect it has on gameplay. Unique face coverings in my opinion are really terrible because it makes it impossible for a traitor to disguise themselves as someone who starts equipped with them.

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Re: [poll] Old armor vs new armor

Postby Apsis » Thu Nov 13, 2014 1:45 pm #43145

I like the new sprites way better. The old ones made me look like a dumb idiot rather than a cool security officer. You've been nicely improving the new stuff, so I dunno why you'd want the old sprites to even come back.

Also the security gasmask is cool.

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Re: [poll] Old armor vs new armor

Postby Perakp » Thu Nov 13, 2014 2:09 pm #43149

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Re: [poll] Old armor vs new armor

Postby Steelpoint » Thu Nov 13, 2014 2:38 pm #43160

On the issue of Pap's alternative Sec Gas Mask. I like it but I would prefer if both styles are in the game in some capacity, even if we just left a few of the current masks in the Armoury.
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Re: [poll] Old armor vs new armor

Postby Wizardjenkins66 » Thu Nov 13, 2014 6:05 pm #43201

I'm just going to point out that the Syndicate Mob Sprites still wear the old armor and helmet, So either someone needs to fix that sprite or we need to bring back the old armor and helmets.
EDIT: I honestly prefer old helm, New Armor. Maybe we could keep new armor as standard, but add the old as a Cargo order or something?
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Re: [poll] Old armor vs new armor

Postby paprika » Thu Nov 13, 2014 6:39 pm #43206

Simple mobs use a retarded preset sprite that you have to remake every time you change ANYTHING about the items they're wearing, and to put it simply, fuck that shit.
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Re: [poll] Old armor vs new armor

Postby Fatal » Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:33 pm #43240

I actually prefer the old helmet but I prefer the new armored vest

Perhaps if you could make them both look like they use the same style? Make the helmet more black and the vest, less black? So the colours match

Also the old helmet you show is the SWAT helmet, not the regular sec helmet, you might want to show that

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Re: [poll] Old armor vs new armor

Postby paprika » Thu Nov 13, 2014 9:24 pm #43254

It's exactly the same but the visor isn't blue
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Re: [poll] Old armor vs new armor

Postby Kavaloosh » Thu Nov 13, 2014 11:01 pm #43280

the old armor looked nicer and the new armor only looks proper on people with security belts
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Re: [poll] Old armor vs new armor

Postby paprika » Thu Nov 13, 2014 11:26 pm #43284

I feel like combining the aesthetic styles of both armors is a good idea here, as in, lighter grey armor and lighter grey helmets but the more detailed shading of the new armors. IDK, in a week or so I'll draw up some concepts of what it'd look like on mobs/in game.
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Re: [poll] Old armor vs new armor

Postby miggles » Thu Nov 13, 2014 11:41 pm #43288

the new helmets still look like bicycle helmets
that is my only complaint on the new sprites, otherwise theyre a vast improvement on the old ones
the detective's alt armor should stay the same though since its unique, unless someone makes a really cool one
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Re: [poll] Old armor vs new armor

Postby Reimoo » Fri Nov 14, 2014 7:02 am #43409

The helmet is really my only complaint about the new armor. It is too egg shaped.

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Re: [poll] Old armor vs new armor

Postby Incomptinence » Fri Nov 14, 2014 7:19 am #43414

Yeah one pixel shorter and it would look less coneheady.

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Re: [poll] Old armor vs new armor

Postby paprika » Fri Nov 14, 2014 8:27 am #43417

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Ironically, this is the same shape that the old helmets used to have:

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But this is a really easy edit to make on all the helmets if it's something people want. It looks really good with the new rebreather-type gas masks I made out of the old ausops ones for security, too.
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Re: [poll] Old armor vs new armor

Postby Incomptinence » Fri Nov 14, 2014 8:45 am #43419

I would vote for shortnew if it was an option, looks great.

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Re: [poll] Old armor vs new armor

Postby WJohnston » Fri Nov 14, 2014 12:15 pm #43443

I absolutely cannot stand the new armor as it is right now. It's mainly due to spriting reasons, they're very poorly drawn. The armor is shifted far too high up (covering the entire neck and none of the abdomen), the contrast in the colors is far too muted so you can't tell any of the details apart, and it can be easily confused with the bulletproof armor which already has the same ribbed/stripped design. the helmet is much too tall (though paprika's little edit there is a big improvement), again the colors are far too dark and hard to tell apart, and although I don't mind the visor/glasses they're very small.

I also don't like the current sec jumpsuit, as it's very grey compared to the wonderfully saturated crimson on the old suits.

Though I do like the kneepads.

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I'm not saying the old sprites were perfect or anything, but there's a lot of things the new ones aren't doing as well as the previous ones. How about a mix?
Because the current armor covers the entire god damned kneck. It's practically touching the lips. You can't see it due to the helmet. Take the helmet off and it looks extremely goofy.

Keep the new kneepads, take the old armor (with some tweaking), take the shrunken down new helmet (with some brighter colors), take the old uniform's more saturated colors.

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Re: [poll] Old armor vs new armor

Postby Steelpoint » Fri Nov 14, 2014 12:20 pm #43444

When I look at the old helmet head on it looks like there is almost no actual helmet and it's just glass.

Ultimantly it come's down to opinion, but personally I prefer the new armour appearance simply because it portrays a more serious tone. The old armour looks more casual, something to expect from a mall cop (Or more accurately a Goonstation Security Officer) whereas our new armour looks more serious in tone and ready to confront a deadly force (AKA, /tg/ station Security Officer).
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Re: [poll] Old armor vs new armor

Postby srifenbyxp » Fri Nov 14, 2014 3:32 pm #43490

Old Helm with New Vest seems alright with me. makes security more intimidating!
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Re: [poll] Old armor vs new armor

Postby miggles » Sat Nov 15, 2014 9:22 am #43677

jesus just looking at the old sprites i take back everything i said about them being even remotely good
the helmet edit is perfect, thats really all you need
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Re: [poll] Old armor vs new armor

Postby WJohnston » Sat Nov 15, 2014 12:23 pm #43696

Again, the old armor is not at all perfect, but I know enough that the new armor should not be covering the entire neck and none of the abdomen and look like the helmet is a bike helmet. A lot of changes could be made to the new armor to keep some of the shape similar to the old armor.
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Re: [poll] Old armor vs new armor

Postby Steelpoint » Sat Nov 15, 2014 12:31 pm #43697

The whole point of body armour is to protect the wearer and cover up weak spots, guess what's a pretty critical weakspot? The neck! A lot of modern armour is designed to help protect the neck, I even recall in WH40k that the latest technological advancement for Space Marine power armour was just adding in a neck guard.

Also I'm not following your abdomen comment, from looking at the new armour it very clearly covers the abdomen.

I'm no expert spriter, but from a quick observation the new armour is of higher quality than the old armour in terms of detail. The old armour helmet looks like a fish bowl from the front for example.
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Re: [poll] Old armor vs new armor

Postby QuartzCrystal » Sat Nov 15, 2014 7:28 pm #43744

Both old helmet and old armor are preferable to me. I'm not super opinionated on this, but as others have said, new sprites look a bit more professional.

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Re: [poll] Old armor vs new armor

Postby paprika » Sat Nov 15, 2014 8:02 pm #43747

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new helmet with old helmet 'rounded' shape

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Re: [poll] Old armor vs new armor

Postby WJohnston » Sun Nov 16, 2014 1:34 am #43810

While you might say that it has a neck guard built in, it's neither an appealing idea when thinking about body armor nor does the sprite at all look like that. What the sprite DOES look like is as if a moron was wearing regular body armor way the hell too high.

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Re: [poll] Old armor vs new armor

Postby WeeYakk » Mon Nov 17, 2014 3:32 am #43941

You kids talkin' shit about flak jacket style neck protection?
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Re: [poll] Old armor vs new armor

Postby Malkevin » Mon Nov 17, 2014 12:34 pm #43976

I prefer the old ones, the new ones are far too busy and look like ass through byonds client side stretching system.
Plus casual look is how it should look for something worn everyday on a corporate station
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Re: [poll] Old armor vs new armor

Postby Steelpoint » Mon Nov 17, 2014 12:35 pm #43977

You know what would be amusing, letting the round start Head of Security decide on which uniform option his Officers spawn with.
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Re: [poll] Old armor vs new armor

Postby Spacemanspark » Mon Nov 17, 2014 4:09 pm #44010

Steelpoint wrote:You know what would be amusing, letting the round start Head of Security decide on which uniform option his Officers spawn with.

Yes please, and include clown security suits.
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Re: [poll] Old armor vs new armor

Postby Fragnostic » Mon Nov 17, 2014 6:00 pm #44026

Try using a black jumpsuit, new helmet, and a standard gas mask, with the new armor vest. It looks pretty badass.
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Re: [poll] Old armor vs new armor

Postby SirMalcolm » Tue Nov 18, 2014 6:58 pm #44292

Is hair going to be hidden with the helmet because there are hair styles that poke out somehow of the new helmet

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Re: [poll] Old armor vs new armor

Postby paprika » Tue Nov 18, 2014 9:13 pm #44321

But then we wouldn't have ponytail security!
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Re: [poll] Old armor vs new armor

Postby whodaloo » Wed Nov 19, 2014 12:14 am #44392

paprika wrote:But then we wouldn't have ponytail security!

That would be a good thing in my opinion. You're supposed to keep your hair short, dammit, it's a liability in hand-to-hand!
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Re: [poll] Old armor vs new armor

Postby miggles » Wed Nov 19, 2014 12:46 am #44396

there are no safety standards on ss13
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