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What if instead of having eyes in the back of their heads, spacemen could only see forward and slightly to their sides? Obviously, loud things would still be visible behind the spacemen because they can "hear" those things. Also everything within touchable range should be visible. Adding field of view would add a huge stealth element to the game, especially putting an emphasis on staying out of sight and not wearing loud hardsuits when walking up to someone to kill them from behind.

Go away, this isn't a fucking simulation FPS.

You're right it's more like a top down simulation game

Wrong thread
https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=32

I like this in theory, but only because "sneaking up on somebody" only exists if you're fucking sanic or you're in total darkness.

If you want to see a great game that uses field of view, check out unreal world. Its a wilderness survival roguelike about the early iron age in finland

Violaceus wrote:Great idea that will never happen

Why won't it ever happen? How hard could it be to code in a layer that goes over tiles that are not in an area that is perceivable by the player? This already exists for AI anyways.

here's a picture of a character I just started playing as in Unreal world. Take notice of the realistic field of view.

no

Violaceus wrote:

deathhoof wrote:

Violaceus wrote:Great idea that will never happen

Why won't it ever happen? How hard could it be to code in a layer that goes over tiles that are not in an area that is perceivable by the player? This already exists for AI anyways.

I mean that 90% of people will be opposed to it...

What makes you think that?

Errorage tried doing this, I think I remember it being a little slow and I remember getting a headache if you moved in multiple directions too quickly because the camera kept shifting.

Spacezenegger wrote:Errorage tried doing this, I think I remember it being a little slow and I remember getting a headache if you moved in multiple directions too quickly because the camera kept shifting.

That does indeed seem to be a problem. Maybe this could be remedied by adding a set of controls to toggle neck movement? This way field of view will only move when you want it to move and thus will reduce headache creation.

EDIT: yes owl neck spessmen are better than 360 field of view spessmen

deathhoof wrote: Maybe this could be remedied by adding a set of controls to toggle neck movement? This way field of view will only move when you want it to move and thus will reduce headache creation.

Yeah while we're at it, lets set it up so you have to switch between left and right leg each tile you walk, 3 second slip/stun if you mess up.

A lot of the game is also balanced around you being able to see behind you.

This would heavily devalue social stealth. Being able to get within one tile of someone for a rev flash without freaking them out can be an art, and limiting FoV would make many area threats way too deadly and rev way too easy.

Spacezenegger wrote:Errorage tried doing this, I think I remember it being a little slow and I remember getting a headache if you moved in multiple directions too quickly because the camera kept shifting.

Indeed, while Errorage's test was not with a refined system for handling the vision change; it was pretty clear from the trial that such a vision system would be nauseating and ugly to play with.

This would cause the game to become such a massive clusterfuck so fast I think a lot of people would quit playing here.

I liked Mark of the Ninja's system, where you could still see things out of your field of view, but they were blurry and harder to see.



Probably still wouldn't work out well within the context of SS13.

It's been suggested and even (as others have told you) trialled to a small degree before, and it was both unpleasant and unpopular.
Considerations like field of view are things that need to be implemented very early in a game's development, not slapped on years later. This would change the function and (ugh) balance of so many other things and destroy the instincts people have grown into over years. It's never going to happen.

Murder Mansion tried this

Jesus fuck it was hard to play and you got a headache after one round. Still fun, but nauseating.

That's not even getting into the fact that anything other than simply changing the viewpoint would be very expensive in terms of processing.

No.
Let's increase the view to 9 tiles instead.

Oh yeah this is great finally I'll be able to use my TrackIR to play spessmens!

Saegrimr wrote:

deathhoof wrote: Maybe this could be remedied by adding a set of controls to toggle neck movement? This way field of view will only move when you want it to move and thus will reduce headache creation.

Yeah while we're at it, lets set it up so you have to switch between left and right leg each tile you walk, 3 second slip/stun if you mess up.

10/10 fund it