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beepsky is too easy to kill

Postby imsxz » Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:36 pm #491410

>set up shocked grille (can be done with rods and knowing where a knotted wire is prior, there's ALWAYS one under APC's to start, no tools or insuls required literally could be naked with a sheet of metal)
>punch bepis
>run behind grille
>officer down
>free baton for (antag ? murderboner : validhunter)

i know theres plenty of easy ways to kill him but seriously ive never found one simpler than this in terms of execution and preparation.

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Re: beepsky is too easy to kill

Postby cedarbridge » Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:44 pm #491416

Probably not happening with how simplemob AI works.

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Re: beepsky is too easy to kill

Postby MisterPerson » Mon Apr 29, 2019 4:42 pm #491423

cedarbridge wrote:Probably not happening with how simplemob AI works.

What exactly would you want Beepsky to do, ideally?
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Re: beepsky is too easy to kill

Postby bman » Mon Apr 29, 2019 5:25 pm #491427

this whole post is funny so keep it
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Re: beepsky is too easy to kill

Postby PKPenguin321 » Mon Apr 29, 2019 5:57 pm #491431

Make him walk through grilles like mice do

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Re: beepsky is too easy to kill

Postby Super Aggro Crag » Mon Apr 29, 2019 6:25 pm #491436

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Re: beepsky is too easy to kill

Postby terranaut » Mon Apr 29, 2019 6:34 pm #491437

if youre looking for a baton and your thought process leads to you killing beepsky you're probably retarded anyway
on a side note just grab the emp from the maint pocket above cargo and emp him while he's in arrivals or dorms and smack him a couple times with a fire extuingisher or something or tide one of the lockers in the brig for a full security loadout and not just the baton (for which you need to get a cell, too, if you take beepskys)
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Re: beepsky is too easy to kill

Postby teepeepee » Mon Apr 29, 2019 8:44 pm #491460

terranaut wrote:if youre looking for a baton and your thought process leads to you killing beepsky you're probably retarded anyway
on a side note just grab the emp from the maint pocket above cargo and emp him while he's in arrivals or dorms and smack him a couple times with a fire extuingisher or something or tide one of the lockers in the brig for a full security loadout and not just the baton (for which you need to get a cell, too, if you take beepskys)

there's free cells in tool storage, research desk and maintenance, among other places that escape my mind at the moment, so that's not at all a limiting factor, and killing beepsky is all-around safer than breaking into brig and stealing a locker

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Re: beepsky is too easy to kill

Postby cedarbridge » Tue Apr 30, 2019 12:54 am #491491

MisterPerson wrote:
cedarbridge wrote:Probably not happening with how simplemob AI works.

What exactly would you want Beepsky to do, ideally?

Given the thread is complaining about beepsky crashing into hazards I presume they're after something a bit more the current "move towards thing, act when adjacent to thing" model that our simplemobs use. As I said, I don't expect that to change because simplemobs are that, simple.

Mob code already does some pretty terrible load things to the MC.

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Re: beepsky is too easy to kill

Postby PKPenguin321 » Tue Apr 30, 2019 1:27 am #491495

cedarbridge wrote:
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cedarbridge wrote:Probably not happening with how simplemob AI works.

What exactly would you want Beepsky to do, ideally?

Given the thread is complaining about beepsky crashing into hazards I presume they're after something a bit more the current "move towards thing, act when adjacent to thing" model that our simplemobs use. As I said, I don't expect that to change because simplemobs are that, simple.

Mob code already does some pretty terrible load things to the MC.

I'm pretty sure PASSGRILLE is like a 1 line change
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Re: beepsky is too easy to kill

Postby skoglol » Tue Apr 30, 2019 1:49 am #491500

Simplemob pathfinding could use some work overall, you only need a table to outwit general beepsky. I've not looked into it yet, but are we able to add weight to turfs with certain objects on them? ie tables, grilles and so on.

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Re: beepsky is too easy to kill

Postby leibniz » Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:29 am #491518

but there's also those times when you try to shoot it and lasers just go over it, making it harder to kill than most players
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Re: beepsky is too easy to kill

Postby Yakumo_Chen » Wed May 01, 2019 5:15 am #491606

Is there also not a PASSTABLE flag?
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Re: beepsky is too easy to kill

Postby cedarbridge » Wed May 01, 2019 5:34 am #491611

PKPenguin321 wrote:I'm pretty sure PASSGRILLE is like a 1 line change

Bandaid. Just make him indestructible already. The law cannot be stopped.

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Re: beepsky is too easy to kill

Postby imsxz » Wed May 01, 2019 1:38 pm #491642

terranaut i really cant think of an easier way to go about getting a baton than this. yes getting a full security loadout is easy if you have tools to hack into brig or you can use the metastation maint EMP /if you have maint access/, but i can do this with 0 gear other than a sheet of metal and no access. there's risk to breaking into brig and the maint EMP is unreliable as any good powergamer tider raidsthe maint meta room, also only meta has it. this strat is valid on any map, the only one there could possibly be issues with is on box where theres like no apc in hallways.

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Re: beepsky is too easy to kill

Postby BeeSting12 » Wed May 01, 2019 1:50 pm #491645

Just make him immune to electrical damage lol
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Re: beepsky is too easy to kill

Postby Mickyan » Wed May 01, 2019 3:34 pm #491656

Maybe the roundstart variant shouldn't drop the stun baton, or drop an old baton that breaks apart after one hit, if you want to be fancy.
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Re: beepsky is too easy to kill

Postby NoxVS » Wed May 01, 2019 5:03 pm #491676

Mickyan wrote:Maybe the roundstart variant shouldn't drop the stun baton, or drop an old baton that breaks apart after one hit, if you want to be fancy.

But then you can’t rebuild Beepsky as easily when he dies
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Re: beepsky is too easy to kill

Postby Davidchan » Wed May 01, 2019 5:28 pm #491680

If beeps detects an impassable object between himself and his target, make him teleport directly behind them before saying 'It's fucking personal kid' or some weeb shit.
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Re: beepsky is too easy to kill

Postby Daxxed » Wed May 01, 2019 9:48 pm #491711

There is clearly a difference between him chasing someone because the person is wanted or him being attacked.
Buff the defensive chase ?
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Re: beepsky is too easy to kill

Postby Yakumo_Chen » Wed May 01, 2019 11:19 pm #491729

Beepers is supposed to be relatively easy to avoid but that shouldn't come at the cost of making him easy to kill

I agree with making the stun baton less useful somehow from beepsky, make it break on destroy or good for one use.
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Re: beepsky is too easy to kill

Postby adamkad1 » Fri May 03, 2019 11:09 pm #492045

Make beepsky incorporeal. you cant escape justice

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Re: beepsky is too easy to kill

Postby legoscape » Tue May 07, 2019 12:09 pm #492542

I've been dicked by armsky and beepsky way to many times to count. I think the point of them is to be an annoyance more than an actual security officer.
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Re: beepsky is too easy to kill

Postby imsxz » Fri May 10, 2019 4:33 pm #492992

i like the idea of making beepskies baton somehow worse or just make him not drop one
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Re: beepsky is too easy to kill

Postby Davidchan » Fri May 10, 2019 8:09 pm #493006

In all seriousness why not just make it a "Baton Arm" or something of that sort where a securitron drops a rewired baton with a bunch of exposed cables so it has a 25% (or more) chance of shocking the user when used or turned on. Still useful in a pinch, but too unreliable to rely on.
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Re: beepsky is too easy to kill

Postby cedarbridge » Fri May 10, 2019 8:27 pm #493010

NoxVS wrote:
Mickyan wrote:Maybe the roundstart variant shouldn't drop the stun baton, or drop an old baton that breaks apart after one hit, if you want to be fancy.

But then you can’t rebuild Beepsky as easily when he dies


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