/tg/Station 13

One thing that annoyed me as a Wizard was when I selected the Scything Orb. As you know the orb grants you thermal like vision. So I could see that I was not only floating in space, but am adjacent to the CentCom Central Command and the Nuke Ops Planet. What I plan to do is properly spread things out to prevent that from occurring, but the big question I want to ask is this...

Should the Wizard's homebase be in a Den on a planet, or in a spaceship in space?

I always felt like a Ship was more appropriate than a planetoid for wizards, the Nuke ops I can understand having a planetoid because it's like a checkpoint base, in theory a Wizard is already 'deployed' and just has to pick an arsenal to infiltrate with.

a ship like goon has would be neat.

A ship would be the best idea since we wouldn't have to set up turfs outside the wizard's den for the sake of people who get the xray

I think I'll make a ship then, while I could do a fancy thing of setting it up like the Syndi ship, I think for the time being I'll just leave it on the Centcom Z-Level.

Anyway, what style of ship do we want? Something similar to Goon's ship or what?

Alternate better/worse idea: put it ON the syndie planet but separated by a line of trees you can't see through. Like, the wiz den is just on the other side of a shitty tiny cluster of trees from the syndie outpost and no one noticed.

Put it in the negative energy plane. Full of those monsters he keeps a pet and piles of skeletons.

Wizardjenkins66 wrote:Put it in the negative energy plane. Full of those monsters he keeps a pet and piles of skeletons.

So just surround the wizard with whatever image this server is using for derelict space?

First iteration of the wizard ships outline.

Just make it one room like the current wizard's den, the doors are unecessary

The doors make it look like it's actually a ship. No harm in having doors.

ExplosiveCrate wrote:
So just surround the wizard with whatever image this server is using for derelict space?

holy shit
which server is this

Ariastation, server that got lost in the ether and never came back, which is a shame because it was apparently using several replicated features from goon.

That is a derelict that was accessed by using telescience to open up a flesh portal

I would love if I could get those cloud sprites, would be a really nice addition to the Wizard ship.

Put up a PR alongside some other minor changes over here: https://github.com/tgstation/-tg-station/pull/6519

Image of the Wizard's Ship as it stands.

I don't like the purple flooring.

New ship design, thanks to suggestions in the PR.

maybe those pulse rifles aren't the best idea

The Wizard cannot get access to them in any possible way short of a admin deleting the walls to them.

Also, this is the newest version.

its a ship?

No vending machines?

mrpain wrote:No vending machines?

Look five tiles above the Wizard.

Steelpoint wrote:

mrpain wrote:No vending machines?

Look five tiles above the Wizard.

Ahhh. Sorry. I'm an idiot.

I am pretty fucking super-okay with looted wizardship held together with magical duct-tape.

The idea given in my PR was that the reason the Wizard wants to hijack the station's emergency escape shuttle is because his/her ship is essentially blown up.

So I'm quite happy with the design, any additional feedback would be great (I'm going to put in the bedsheets, don't worry)

More updated version of the Wizard's ship, with added personal quarters and engine room.

Wont the uranium walls fucking destroy the wizards like right after he spawns?

Those aren't uranium walls, they are normal unstimulated walls using the uranium sprites.

Remove the pulse rifle. Smart wizards will figure out ways to get to it. It'll happen.

There is no possible way for a Wizard to get it barring a admin deleting the walls.

An awful whole lot of blood for a nice retired old man practicing magic.

Steelpoint wrote:There is no possible way for a Wizard to get it barring a admin deleting the walls.

Is everything in that den fireball proof then?
Staff of change + apprentice = Cyborg that can RCD through the wall.

Bluespace wrote:Is everything in that den fireball proof then?
Staff of change + apprentice = Cyborg that can RCD through the wall.

If he's using unsimulated shuttle/centcom walls, then no that wont work either.

What stops the wizard smashing the windows?

They're likely the fake windows CentCom uses.

Perhaps you should just remove the rifle anyway considering dumb wizards will waste the entire round trying to get to it.

I cannot fathom how anyone could spend longer than five minutes trying out things to get the rifle. There's no tools and spells don't work on the z-level, only way I could see them wasting a ton of time on is by summoning an apprentice and trying to turn him into a borg, and that would likely lead to the death/infinite incapacitation of the wizard when the apprentice is turned into a syndieborg (who kills him) or a borg (who stuns, strips, and alerts the AI to the wizard).

Turn it into a cap gun with the pulse rifle sprite so people feel stupid about wasting their wizard round trying to get to a cap gun.

ExplosiveCrate wrote:I cannot fathom how anyone could spend longer than five minutes trying out things to get the rifle. There's no tools and spells don't work on the z-level, only way I could see them wasting a ton of time on is by summoning an apprentice and trying to turn him into a borg, and that would likely lead to the death/infinite incapacitation of the wizard when the apprentice is turned into a syndieborg (who kills him) or a borg (who stuns, strips, and alerts the AI to the wizard).

Never underestimate the incompetence of an SS13 player.

I did some more testing.

I discovered one possible method of a Wizard to be able to gain access to the bridge of his ship. He would have to summon an apprentice, then use a staff of changing(whatever) to turn that apprentice into a cyborg, which could then pick a engineering module and then use a wrench to unsecure the disabled door, thus giving access to the bridge.

I've fixed that by hiding a force wall underneath the door.

Steelpoint wrote:I did some more testing.

I discovered one possible method of a Wizard to be able to gain access to the bridge of his ship. He would have to summon an apprentice, then use a staff of changing(whatever) to turn that apprentice into a cyborg, which could then pick a engineering module and then use a wrench to unsecure the disabled door, thus giving access to the bridge.

I've fixed that by hiding a force wall underneath the door.

What about the blink spell?

As noted, any teleportation spell simply does not work on the centcom z-level.

Why would a wizard need a ship anyway? They teleport around. Is it too late to suggest he starts on a planet?

ThatSlyFox wrote:Why would a wizard need a ship anyway? They teleport around. Is it too late to suggest he starts on a planet?

Teleport only has a range of 50 miles for a 20th level wizard bro. (I'm just making this shit up but seriously Teleport couldn't teleport you to other planets and shit in D&D even at 20th level)