AI upload. (silicon policy related?)((merge please if it belongs elsewhere))
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 10:17 am
I know, this is a horrible idea and breaks like billion other server rules besides basic asimov and has too many issues so don't even bother one word post.
But, what if?
This came to me as i suffered two very different rounds as AI.
One, Cap decided to fuck with upload memes and let a fucking tide in to upload "egg", shit was funny and cap got lasored humoristically for using purge at the wrong time. Good times were had and nobody really suffered more than time it took to clone them. Tide did suicide inside, so eh. I played rest of the round trying my best to Asimov, nobody was ahelped for it.
Two. Captain decided to allow AI to make the determination and reasoning behind who is and who is not human by "productivity".
I decided that assistants are not human since they do not "produce" anything of use. Cap started to whine and bitch because of course the faggot did. Cargo was next to be non-humaned since it was revolutionaries and no implants appeared in reasonable time. Unproductive fucks. Department by department everyone lost "Human" status for not producing anything or misusing their resources until Shitstain-pain-captain, having whined non-stop for 10 minutes was declared non-human for producing nothing but hot air while station was plasmaflooded (not by me, that's human harm) and nobody progressed the game state since security was hanging around craptain listening to utter bullshit he spewed to keep him safe since he was too autistic to be left unguarded. At the end of it only good old barkeep and Medical had remained human because they worked their jobs and CMO was actively hunting revs and I don't even want to know how many ahelps with the content "help ai is plasmaflooding on revs" were submitted from that round because captain did not understand that "revs are nonhuman" is a perfect law for the situation. His rationale for uploading such law was naturally "i wanted to metagame a rev law without it being rev law".
Both of these situations could have helped and deepened and in the last case, prevented, if said AI had complete control over upload access, hence;
What if the station Upload area would be under absolute control of AI?
No buts, no what ifs. Nobody just gets to go in since they are the "captain" "guy who is tecnhically in command" or "guy who says law 2".
You want in, you ask AI to be let in, you break in, just walk in without asking for it, you are valid as fuck and get lasored for it.
It is effectively the most dangerous department in the whole game yet it is essentially All Access unless your slavers tell you not to let people in. Inside are the most powerful tools in the game to change how round works and what happens in it yet it's considered by captains to be a fucking toy to be played around with for no raisins instead of a tool.
Captains get killed for this when they hit purge after meme laws, trying to upload more cancerous meme laws and that's valid as salad and then AI is stuck with "apply salad to all crew" and "Salad is honks", et all, making AI purged and not really giving a shit anymore about said round it was trying to help in.
Exact opposite what you are supposed to be doing as AI.
Why not make people respect this area and the immense power upload has?
Everyone else has a department, and this one department is literally making AI slave do anything you want with tiny boards to the entire station so it would make sense it is protected, not by just access and "law two faggot open" but instead AI itself determining that person is reliable enough to be allowed in to make changes on how round progresses on their part as far as non-antagonistic interaction is considered.
Discussion happens before the; "you are now shit, murderbone" being now what AI does instead of wanting to help run the station as AI that you very likely put sillycones to High for.
It's very bad interaction we have here and current method is more akin to active grieffing on both sides with turrets being the last word instead of allowing AI to help station like it's supposed to do.
Your body could be recovered from said upload, of course, provided you have no proof he was going to subvert you to harmies and stuff. (insert policy discussion)
What changes?
Less stupid fucking law changes for no raisins because "i am captain lol I can whatever" and fuck up the entire crew.
Less ahelps about new captains one humaning AI et all.
Amusing laws can still be added but not nilly willy and admins don't have to make AI rogue when it's the 20th time that shift and everyone is bored of it and AI player is literally in tears since nothing makes sense anymore and you are essentially permastunned and griffed and all you can say is "please hurt me more" since you still have Asimov at the top of the list.
AI players don't need to be constantly be on lookout at the upload for literally rogue fucking everyone but instead keep it secure by having sole control over turrets so crew stays safer and you get to AI more, less "fucking upload again".
More "I'm sorry i cannot do that Dave" shenanigans for rogue and good AI's.
Powerful tools to effect everyone are less easy to access leading to more round stability, less "oh fuck someone fucked AI again with law 2, welp time to die"
But inside this chamber where your entire existence can be changed in a flip of a board should be something AI has a say in as a player, no?
You have to prove to be reliable to be allowed in.
I don't mean anything else changes, you are still a slave and you gonna say "yes master, please more" when tide screams to open doors.
And yes you are still gonna go "SUBVERTED BITCH" when robotics decide to upload board from printer get purged and disable robo APC, making it's still "easy" to change laws, just more controlled and rarer occurrence.
Every fucking captain has their favorite shit laws set that's not Asimov and this what silicon policy revolves around as a discussion, assumption that AI is Asimov, no?
That's the change I wanna play around with as an idea, plox posties why you think it's horrible and fails on it's nose.
But, what if?
This came to me as i suffered two very different rounds as AI.
One, Cap decided to fuck with upload memes and let a fucking tide in to upload "egg", shit was funny and cap got lasored humoristically for using purge at the wrong time. Good times were had and nobody really suffered more than time it took to clone them. Tide did suicide inside, so eh. I played rest of the round trying my best to Asimov, nobody was ahelped for it.
Two. Captain decided to allow AI to make the determination and reasoning behind who is and who is not human by "productivity".
I decided that assistants are not human since they do not "produce" anything of use. Cap started to whine and bitch because of course the faggot did. Cargo was next to be non-humaned since it was revolutionaries and no implants appeared in reasonable time. Unproductive fucks. Department by department everyone lost "Human" status for not producing anything or misusing their resources until Shitstain-pain-captain, having whined non-stop for 10 minutes was declared non-human for producing nothing but hot air while station was plasmaflooded (not by me, that's human harm) and nobody progressed the game state since security was hanging around craptain listening to utter bullshit he spewed to keep him safe since he was too autistic to be left unguarded. At the end of it only good old barkeep and Medical had remained human because they worked their jobs and CMO was actively hunting revs and I don't even want to know how many ahelps with the content "help ai is plasmaflooding on revs" were submitted from that round because captain did not understand that "revs are nonhuman" is a perfect law for the situation. His rationale for uploading such law was naturally "i wanted to metagame a rev law without it being rev law".
Both of these situations could have helped and deepened and in the last case, prevented, if said AI had complete control over upload access, hence;
What if the station Upload area would be under absolute control of AI?
No buts, no what ifs. Nobody just gets to go in since they are the "captain" "guy who is tecnhically in command" or "guy who says law 2".
You want in, you ask AI to be let in, you break in, just walk in without asking for it, you are valid as fuck and get lasored for it.
It is effectively the most dangerous department in the whole game yet it is essentially All Access unless your slavers tell you not to let people in. Inside are the most powerful tools in the game to change how round works and what happens in it yet it's considered by captains to be a fucking toy to be played around with for no raisins instead of a tool.
Captains get killed for this when they hit purge after meme laws, trying to upload more cancerous meme laws and that's valid as salad and then AI is stuck with "apply salad to all crew" and "Salad is honks", et all, making AI purged and not really giving a shit anymore about said round it was trying to help in.
Exact opposite what you are supposed to be doing as AI.
Why not make people respect this area and the immense power upload has?
Everyone else has a department, and this one department is literally making AI slave do anything you want with tiny boards to the entire station so it would make sense it is protected, not by just access and "law two faggot open" but instead AI itself determining that person is reliable enough to be allowed in to make changes on how round progresses on their part as far as non-antagonistic interaction is considered.
Discussion happens before the; "you are now shit, murderbone" being now what AI does instead of wanting to help run the station as AI that you very likely put sillycones to High for.
It's very bad interaction we have here and current method is more akin to active grieffing on both sides with turrets being the last word instead of allowing AI to help station like it's supposed to do.
Your body could be recovered from said upload, of course, provided you have no proof he was going to subvert you to harmies and stuff. (insert policy discussion)
What changes?
Less stupid fucking law changes for no raisins because "i am captain lol I can whatever" and fuck up the entire crew.
Less ahelps about new captains one humaning AI et all.
Amusing laws can still be added but not nilly willy and admins don't have to make AI rogue when it's the 20th time that shift and everyone is bored of it and AI player is literally in tears since nothing makes sense anymore and you are essentially permastunned and griffed and all you can say is "please hurt me more" since you still have Asimov at the top of the list.
AI players don't need to be constantly be on lookout at the upload for literally rogue fucking everyone but instead keep it secure by having sole control over turrets so crew stays safer and you get to AI more, less "fucking upload again".
More "I'm sorry i cannot do that Dave" shenanigans for rogue and good AI's.
Powerful tools to effect everyone are less easy to access leading to more round stability, less "oh fuck someone fucked AI again with law 2, welp time to die"
But inside this chamber where your entire existence can be changed in a flip of a board should be something AI has a say in as a player, no?
You have to prove to be reliable to be allowed in.
I don't mean anything else changes, you are still a slave and you gonna say "yes master, please more" when tide screams to open doors.
And yes you are still gonna go "SUBVERTED BITCH" when robotics decide to upload board from printer get purged and disable robo APC, making it's still "easy" to change laws, just more controlled and rarer occurrence.
Every fucking captain has their favorite shit laws set that's not Asimov and this what silicon policy revolves around as a discussion, assumption that AI is Asimov, no?
That's the change I wanna play around with as an idea, plox posties why you think it's horrible and fails on it's nose.