Nerf HARS

A place to record your ideas for the game.

Moderators: MisterPerson, Code Maintainers

Ivuchnu
 
Joined: Fri Apr 17, 2020 10:07 am
Byond Username: Ivuchnu

Nerf HARS

Postby Ivuchnu » Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:40 pm #563967

Make this "power" actually remove head after a delay with warnings so victim has chance to get mutadone or geneticist has chance to X it away before genetics is drenched in gibs.

Why this is good for game:
  • Geneticist syringegun is pretty fucking scary because HARS is instant blind+deaf+mute plus no revival upon death.
  • "How did you dare to walk away from game for a minute, here, have green glow event make you permadie" radstorms bullshit is similar. Radstorms deserve some nerf against SSD IMO, but that's another topic.
  • When geneticist discovers HARS, it makes bloody mess instantly and chances are geneticist is not cleaning it up and genetics becomes scary miasma farm that will result in miasma viruses.
Heal w. water/starlight/rads +self-resp
Not happy with game, not happy with code.



Tlaltecuhtli
 
Joined: Fri Nov 10, 2017 12:16 am
Byond Username: Tlaltecuhtli

Re: Nerf HARS

Postby Tlaltecuhtli » Wed Jun 03, 2020 3:17 pm #563980

>Geneticist syringegun is pretty fucking scary because HARS is instant blind+deaf+mute plus no revival upon death.

no revival? seems a bug

>"How did you dare to walk away from game for a minute, here, have green glow event make you permadie" radstorms bullshit is similar. Radstorms deserve some nerf against SSD IMO, but that's another topic.

...

>When geneticist discovers HARS, it makes bloody mess instantly and chances are geneticist is not cleaning it up and genetics becomes scary miasma farm that will result in miasma viruses.

...........

Ivuchnu
 
Joined: Fri Apr 17, 2020 10:07 am
Byond Username: Ivuchnu

Re: Nerf HARS

Postby Ivuchnu » Wed Jun 03, 2020 3:41 pm #563985

Yes, a bug, that's what you get for doing "qdel(brain)" magic.
...........dots
Heal w. water/starlight/rads +self-resp
Not happy with game, not happy with code.

Ivuchnu
 
Joined: Fri Apr 17, 2020 10:07 am
Byond Username: Ivuchnu

Re: Nerf HARS? Nerf radstorms? Nerf miasma?

Postby Ivuchnu » Thu Jun 11, 2020 4:33 pm #565206

Well, apparently inability to revive those with HARS got fixed, now it's just "mute and teleporting around because was AFK during radstorm" and "non-antag geneticist made bunch of bad viruses just because too lazy to clean up gibs". Those two could use some reworks on their own.
Heal w. water/starlight/rads +self-resp
Not happy with game, not happy with code.

ATHATH
 
Joined: Thu Aug 09, 2018 6:41 am
Byond Username: ATHATH

Re: Nerf HARS? Nerf radstorms? Nerf miasma?

Postby ATHATH » Fri Jun 12, 2020 4:25 am #565330

Ivuchnu wrote:Well, apparently inability to revive those with HARS got fixed, now it's just "mute and teleporting around because was AFK during radstorm" and "non-antag geneticist made bunch of bad viruses just because too lazy to clean up gibs". Those two could use some reworks on their own.

don't many maps have a bottle of space cleaner in Genetics?

User avatar
Armhulen
In-Game Game Master
 
Joined: Thu Apr 28, 2016 4:30 pm
Byond Username: Armhulenn
Github Username: it's a long story

Re: Nerf HARS? Nerf radstorms? Nerf miasma?

Postby Armhulen » Fri Jun 12, 2020 11:01 pm #565633

Ivuchnu wrote:Well, apparently inability to revive those with HARS got fixed, now it's just "mute and teleporting around because was AFK during radstorm" and "non-antag geneticist made bunch of bad viruses just because too lazy to clean up gibs". Those two could use some reworks on their own.

Honestly, AFK during radstorm will just kill you due to rads + any other debilitating rolls you get
Go to bed bro, she's not thinking about you.

User avatar
skoglol
Code Maintainer
 
Joined: Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:25 am
Byond Username: Skoglol
Github Username: kriskog

Re: Nerf HARS

Postby skoglol » Sat Jun 13, 2020 12:55 am #565656

Fun fact, radstorms dont actually irradiate you to any significant degree. They just mutate the shit out of you.

User avatar
Armhulen
In-Game Game Master
 
Joined: Thu Apr 28, 2016 4:30 pm
Byond Username: Armhulenn
Github Username: it's a long story

Re: Nerf HARS

Postby Armhulen » Sat Jun 13, 2020 3:34 am #565673

skoglol wrote:Fun fact, radstorms dont actually irradiate you to any significant degree. They just mutate the shit out of you.

Funny, I keep getting hit by radiation storms and shortly after, I expire.
Go to bed bro, she's not thinking about you.

BrianBackslide
 
Joined: Thu Apr 16, 2020 10:43 am
Byond Username: BrianBackslide

Re: Nerf HARS

Postby BrianBackslide » Sat Jun 13, 2020 1:13 pm #565729

HARS is a really useful tool for doctoring. Permanent brain trauma? HARS then mutadone the brain back!

User avatar
Fikou
 
Joined: Sun Jun 10, 2018 8:38 am
Byond Username: Fikou
Github Username: Fikou

Re: Nerf HARS

Postby Fikou » Sat Jun 13, 2020 6:05 pm #565777

hars is a really bad addition to the game, it broke like 3 antags (2 of which are still broken), fucks you up majorly, basically combining a few weaker mutations and can be used to completely bypass traumas
Spoiler:
Image

User avatar
ShibaInuLord
 
Joined: Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:31 am
Byond Username: ShibaInuLord

Re: Nerf HARS

Postby ShibaInuLord » Sun Jun 14, 2020 11:05 pm #565888

HARS + Mutadone Resistant = Bye bye all of your senses for the rest of the shift
Image

User avatar
pugie
In-Game Admin
 
Joined: Fri Jun 28, 2019 12:41 pm
Byond Username: Doctor Brutality

Re: Nerf HARS

Postby pugie » Sun Jun 14, 2020 11:22 pm #565891

HARS breaks so much it honestly seems like more trouble than it's worth to keep around especially considering after about 20 seperate issue reports no one wants to make a fix for changelings.
john sex

User avatar
Armhulen
In-Game Game Master
 
Joined: Thu Apr 28, 2016 4:30 pm
Byond Username: Armhulenn
Github Username: it's a long story

Re: Nerf HARS

Postby Armhulen » Sun Jun 14, 2020 11:26 pm #565893

Aw cmon HARS is fun and the issues aren't fundamental like design choice just man up, pick up a keyboard and fix it you geezers
Go to bed bro, she's not thinking about you.

User avatar
Shadowflame909
 
Joined: Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:18 pm
Location: Think about something witty and pretend I put it here
Byond Username: Shadowflame909

Re: Nerf HARS

Postby Shadowflame909 » Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:31 am #565895

pugie wrote:HARS breaks so much it honestly seems like more trouble than it's worth to keep around especially considering after about 20 seperate issue reports no one wants to make a fix for changelings.


unintended feature for a perpetually unbalanced antag

Spoiler:
Image

ThanatosRa wrote:My biggest problem is that I can't fix any of this.


Boris wrote:shadowflame either has a brain the size of a pea or one the size of the moon and he's playing 58D chess.


BeeSting12 wrote:please write an apology to this forums, this community, the host, and the internet as a whole for the data storage space you wasted with this complaint.


BebeYoshi wrote:Saltyflame909


Cobby wrote:The trash bin... have you lost your way home anon?

User avatar
Armhulen
In-Game Game Master
 
Joined: Thu Apr 28, 2016 4:30 pm
Byond Username: Armhulenn
Github Username: it's a long story

Re: Nerf HARS

Postby Armhulen » Wed Jun 24, 2020 2:25 am #566971

Image
oh my god you guys tricked me
Go to bed bro, she's not thinking about you.

User avatar
wesoda25
 
Joined: Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:32 pm
Byond Username: Wesoda25

Re: Nerf HARS

Postby wesoda25 » Wed Jun 24, 2020 4:56 pm #567028

One time someone (bennet) kept eating all my food as chef so I gave him a pizza filled with mutagen and his head immediately exploded. I still think about this a lot.

User avatar
Shadowflame909
 
Joined: Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:18 pm
Location: Think about something witty and pretend I put it here
Byond Username: Shadowflame909

Re: Nerf HARS

Postby Shadowflame909 » Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:09 am #567059

wesoda25 wrote:One time someone (bennet) kept eating all my food as chef so I gave him a pizza filled with mutagen and his head immediately exploded. I still think about this a lot.



Call it the TMNT pizza

Spoiler:
Image

ThanatosRa wrote:My biggest problem is that I can't fix any of this.


Boris wrote:shadowflame either has a brain the size of a pea or one the size of the moon and he's playing 58D chess.


BeeSting12 wrote:please write an apology to this forums, this community, the host, and the internet as a whole for the data storage space you wasted with this complaint.


BebeYoshi wrote:Saltyflame909


Cobby wrote:The trash bin... have you lost your way home anon?

Ivuchnu
 
Joined: Fri Apr 17, 2020 10:07 am
Byond Username: Ivuchnu

HARS is still broken in regards to revival.

Postby Ivuchnu » Mon Jul 13, 2020 7:58 am #569466

Never fucking mind, HARS seems to still prevent revival. During 141825 someone ended up dead with no head, defib reported successful revival with no change to patient, I ended up fixing it by removing mutation with Necrotic Metabolism + Metabolic Boost virus (makes corpses metabolize chems, so mutadone worked).
Heal w. water/starlight/rads +self-resp
Not happy with game, not happy with code.

User avatar
XDTM
Github User
 
Joined: Fri Mar 04, 2016 8:38 pm
Location: XDTM
Byond Username: XDTM
Github Username: XDTM

Re: HARS is still broken in regards to revival.

Postby XDTM » Mon Jul 13, 2020 3:27 pm #569515

Ivuchnu wrote:I ended up fixing it by removing mutation with Necrotic Metabolism + Metabolic Boost virus (makes corpses metabolize chems, so mutadone worked).


Well that's some emergent gameplay
a.k.a. Duke Hayka

Coder of golems, virology, hallucinations, traumas, nanites, and a bunch of miscellaneous stuff.

Ivuchnu
 
Joined: Fri Apr 17, 2020 10:07 am
Byond Username: Ivuchnu

Re: HARS is still broken in regards to revival.

Postby Ivuchnu » Mon Jul 13, 2020 4:00 pm #569520

It's still better to fix HARS instead of relying on viro mains or what else to unfuck those interesting but complicated edge cases.
Heal w. water/starlight/rads +self-resp
Not happy with game, not happy with code.

User avatar
NecromancerAnne
 
Joined: Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:55 pm
Location: Don't touch me, motherfucker...
Byond Username: NecromancerAnne

Re: Nerf HARS

Postby NecromancerAnne » Mon Jul 13, 2020 7:49 pm #569542

Note to self. Round remove everyone with HARS.


Return to Ideas

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users