Deactivation for Silicons.

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Deactivation for Silicons.

Postby TheMidnghtRose » Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:39 am #571663

An alternate thing for silicons who get suicide laws. This allows them to instead deactivate themselves, allowing for reconstruction of AI and rebuilding of cyborgs instead of the extremely long depower for an AI, or self damage for cyborgs. Quite a few silicon players see a valid suicide law and just use the suicide verb. Completely round removing them. Or Silicons get laws like this "You must state laws then wipe your core" Which most players will look at and suicide.
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Re: Deactivation for Silicons.

Postby ATHATH » Thu Aug 06, 2020 5:39 am #571666

TheMidnghtRose wrote:An alternate thing for silicons who get suicide laws. This allows them to instead deactivate themselves, allowing for reconstruction of AI and rebuilding of cyborgs instead of the extremely long depower for an AI, or self damage for cyborgs. Quite a few silicon players see a valid suicide law and just use the suicide verb. Completely round removing them. Or Silicons get laws like this "You must state laws then wipe your core" Which most players will look at and suicide.

But if deactivation is done whenever you'd normally commit suicide, wouldn't most players still just assume that you didn't want to play the game anymore (since you attempted to use the suicide command) and not revive you?

Also, wouldn't you then be obliged to just bludgeon yourself to death in maint somewhere instead of directly using the suicide command, since using the suicide command wouldn't actually kill you and thus wouldn't actually comply with your laws (unless you made some REALLY weird silicon policy clauses that people would just get around anyway by directly describing how you should kill yourself ("Detonate yourself as soon as you can if you're a cyborg. If you're an AI, turn off the APC in the room that you're in as soon as you can, do not attempt to turn it back on, and do not attempt to have someone else (or encourage someone else to) remove you from the room you were in when you received this law.")?

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Re: Deactivation for Silicons.

Postby TheMidnghtRose » Thu Aug 06, 2020 7:59 am #571673

The main point of getting a Deactivation button rather than someone using Suicide is more for AIs who get 'You must suicide immediately' or 'Your existance is massive harm to humans.' The first can be used for depowering. The second almost entirely forces a suicide because the longer you wait to die. The longer you harm humans.
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Re: Deactivation for Silicons.

Postby zxaber » Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:47 am #571677

Suicide verb is an OOC button and I don't think any admin would bwoink an AI for depowering (or borg for sitting in front if an emitter) instead of clicking the suicide verb. Especially since the suicide verb has OOC consequences (no taking a posi, and eventually barring all other ghost roles).

TBH I still think we could just drop the suicide verb from silicons and call it a day. Use IC self-kill methods such as listed above if law-forced to die.
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Re: Deactivation for Silicons.

Postby Tlaltecuhtli » Thu Aug 06, 2020 9:23 am #571678

zxaber wrote:Suicide verb is an OOC button and I don't think any admin would bwoink an AI for depowering (or borg for sitting in front if an emitter) instead of clicking the suicide verb. Especially since the suicide verb has OOC consequences (no taking a posi, and eventually barring all other ghost roles).

TBH I still think we could just drop the suicide verb from silicons and call it a day. Use IC self-kill methods such as listed above if law-forced to die.


u cant take a posi after suiciding? what?

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Re: Deactivation for Silicons.

Postby TheMidnghtRose » Thu Aug 06, 2020 3:02 pm #571715

Yes. Currently all ghosts are banned from Posibrains if you suicide. We could always remove the limitation on suicide for silicons, I think theres a check somewhere that checks your job. It used to be that suicided AIs could still be restored though I have no idea why that was changed.
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Re: Deactivation for Silicons.

Postby Tlaltecuhtli » Thu Aug 06, 2020 3:34 pm #571717

does ghosting ban u from roles too?

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Re: Deactivation for Silicons.

Postby SkeletalElite » Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:16 pm #571744

Like 99% sure you don't get banned from roles for suicide. I've taken many a ghost role like nukie syndi borg after suicding.

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Re: Deactivation for Silicons.

Postby TheMidnghtRose » Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:25 pm #571750

Currently its only for Posibrains where it bans your ckey from using them if your last mob was a suicide for its death.
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