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End of Round Commendations

Post by Saege Tilth » #597021

Instead of just having a single commendation for a single thing such as the player you love the most (in secret), why not add one for most rude player and least important player. This would give players extra stickers for being rude and seen as unimportant. When they speak in ooc, which ever commendation they have the most of will appear. If they seemed to be the least important player, then they will merely get an :whiskey: instead of a :heart: . If they're the most rude, they will get a :neigh: . The details aren't the idea, but are just examples of the idea. Opinions? :shades:

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TheFinalPotato wrote:You have failed to explain why this would be a good addition
It's the same concept as being a likable player with a heart next to your name. It gives feedback to the player themselves as to how others currently see them and gives them a chance to choose rather or not they want to behave in a different manner before it snowballs into outright being removed from the server for being shitty to others in the long run. It also gives admins a way to tell how the community sees a certain individual in the game, which dictates most of how admins make their decisions anyway in this kangaroo court we call society.
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Re: End of Round Commendations

Post by ATHATH » #597023

That sounds horrible. Imagine how self-esteem-crushing it'd be to be told by the game that you were the least important/most rude/worst player in a round.
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Post by TheFinalPotato » #597024

You have failed to explain why this would be a good addition
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Post by Agux909 » #597038

it's also kind of dumb because good or bad, it's still recognition. Some shitters like to be known as shitters and this will only help fuel their self-indulgence. Also you can't expect it to be used 100% in good faith when it's a negative commendation.

Not a good idea.
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Post by Saege Tilth » #597039

Agux909 wrote:it's also kind of dumb because good or bad, it's still recognition. Some shitters like to be known as shitters and this will only help fuel their self-indulgence. Also you can't expect it to be used 100% in good faith when it's a negative commendation.

Not a good idea.
If you where the imperative type that learns things on their own and doesn't have to get taught by others, you would love the idea. I can tell you aren't an atmospherics main who has made something beyond water and tritium with their own setup. Using this method, you can approximate feedback to activities that are logged.
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Post by Agux909 » #597042

Saege Tilth wrote:
Agux909 wrote:it's also kind of dumb because good or bad, it's still recognition. Some shitters like to be known as shitters and this will only help fuel their self-indulgence. Also you can't expect it to be used 100% in good faith when it's a negative commendation.

Not a good idea.
If you where the imperative type that learns things on their own and doesn't have to get taught by others, you would love the idea. I can tell you aren't an atmospherics main who has made something beyond water and tritium with their own setup. Using this method, you can approximate feedback to activities that are logged.
Yes, I am a casual and usually don't even learn that much, playing the game with some of the most basic stuff there is to know. That works for me and I have fun this way. With time maybe I get interested in a certain aspect of the game and only then I start digging to see what's it about, but I don't prioritize being a tryhard knowitall, and I don't mind asking others for help. I probably made tritium once then I forgot how to make it, I'm cool with that. Also, atmos is boring.

But what does this have to do with anything?

The heart system is supposed to be a good faith system. Commending someone special for you that made the round more interesting, fought alongside you, helped you when noone else did, or was just very friendly.

It's inherently a wholehearted thing to have in the game, because if one or more players remember your name enough to write it in the time given (or scroll fast enough to find it), it means you most definitely impacted the round positively and get a nice little distinction to show you did.

The opposite is, by principle, toxic, grudgy, and in bad faith. Maybe you are a shitter and can't stand people doing things the way they're supposed to, which clashes with the way you do stuff, or maybe you can't stand the clown, so you negatively commend them. Maybe you get the distinction because you were shitty, which promotes OOC grudging.

See? There is more subjective excuses to say you didn't like someone than the opposite, which is what makes your idea shitty, as I said, by principle. We shouldn't promote this kind of negativity snowball. It's not a good idea.

If you usually don't do anything interesting or are a piece of shit to others, the downside is that you'll probably never have a <3 while others consistently get one.
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Re: End of Round Commendations

Post by Mothblocks » #597044

It's the same concept as being a likable player with a heart next to your name.
no it isn't. cute hearts are a reward for not being a drain on the game. this is a reward for being a shithead. you can be a jerk character or whatever and still get cute hearts if you were interesting about it and made the round more enjoyable to people ooc for it
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Re: End of Round Commendations

Post by wesoda25 » #597049

What a terrible idea, why would we provide a feature which allows people to publicly designate those they dislike?
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Re: End of Round Commendations

Post by Istoprocent1 » #597055

Really bad idea. It can be easily exploited by people holding grudges by giving negative feedback to specific individuals round after round.

What next? Low priority pool - send people who's behaviour score gets too low to a containment server to grind extended until their score gets better? :lol:
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Post by Armhulen » #597056

People should be letting go of bad events from last round, simple as
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Post by Misdoubtful » #597060

Armhulen wrote:People should be letting go of bad events from last round, simple as
This, every round is a new one. Lets highlight the best of the one we just played move on to enjoy the next as quickly as possible (and leave the salt and the problems in the past)!
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Post by PKPenguin321 » #597073

There'll be that guy who seeks these awards out actively
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Post by BeeSting12 » #597101

PKPenguin321 wrote:There'll be that guy who seeks these awards out actively
just one? lmao
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Re: End of Round Commendations

Post by Saege Tilth » #597192

Sounds like all of you are just afraid that you might receive negative criticism. Ironic isn't it?
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Post by Armhulen » #597195

Saege Tilth wrote:Sounds like all of you are just afraid that you might receive negative criticism. Ironic isn't it?
the problem shows up when you realize some people might not be afraid of receiving negative criticism, and will instead hunt it out.
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Post by ArcaneDefence » #597199

>sees a feature that encourages positivity
>suggests a feature that encourages toxicity
>accuses others of being afraid of criticism

Yep, it's a saege thread. Fucking useless as always.

Garbage idea that we shouldn't have wasted our time humoring.
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Post by Sylphet » #597219

The idea of taking a positive feature that rewards good play and being a positive force in a shift, and turning it into a weapon for our community that already has a toxicity problem to abuse and harass people, just because you don't like their play style is so absolutely liquid brained that I don't even know where to begin.
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Post by Mothblocks » #597220

Saege Tilth wrote:Sounds like all of you are just afraid that you might receive negative criticism. Ironic isn't it?
...no?
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Post by TheFinalPotato » #597223

Saege Tilth wrote:Sounds like all of you are just afraid that you might receive negative criticism. Ironic isn't it?
Yes, I am increadably emotionally sensitive, and easily harmed by online comments. This is why I code for tgstation, a community of kind and understanding people
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Post by Farquaar » #597232

If anything I should be able to thank more people. Oftentimes it's multiple people that make a round memorable for me.
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Post by Ayy Lemoh » #597234

Sylphet wrote:The idea of taking a positive feature that rewards good play and being a positive force in a shift, and turning it into a weapon for our community that already has a toxicity problem to abuse and harass people, just because you don't like their play style is so absolutely liquid brained that I don't even know where to begin.
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Farquaar wrote:If anything I should be able to thank more people. Oftentimes it's multiple people that make a round memorable for me.
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Post by RaveRadbury » #597294

The idea of multiple commendation types that we can give out like merit badge stickers sounds kinda lit, can't wait for people in OOC to rep like five different icons it's gonna be just like twitch chat. (:pog:)
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Post by Agux909 » #597297

RaveRadbury wrote:The idea of multiple commendation types that we can give out like merit badge stickers sounds kinda lit, can't wait for people in OOC to rep like five different icons it's gonna be just like twitch chat. (:pog:)
Rave please don't entertain this buffoon. Ironically or non-ironically, you're gonna make all our posts lose even more weight, since he probably hasn't even read half of them.
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Post by RaveRadbury » #597300

I think that rewarding or acknowledging bad or negative behavior/gameplay is a bad idea and along the same lines as why FB never introduced a "dislike" button.

At the end of the day we want to highlight positive interactions and good gameplay.
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Post by Mickyan » #597354

Let's do this but after 5 negative ratings you get banned for a month

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Post by sinfulbliss » #598444

Ignoring the fact that it's a contradiction that the least important player would be remembered enough to be awarded "least important player," this is a terrible idea because it just adds negativity to the game for no reason.
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Post by Mothblocks » #598455

sinfulbliss wrote:Ignoring the fact that it's a contradiction that the least important player would be remembered enough to be awarded "least important player," this is a terrible idea because it just adds negativity to the game for no reason.
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Post by cacogen » #598485

ATHATH wrote:That sounds horrible. Imagine how self-esteem-crushing it'd be to be told by the game that you were the least important/most rude/worst player in a round.
yeah it's the same principle behind why facebook only has the thumb instead of the inverted thumb or the middle finger which is that mark didn't want to drive rubes off his platform with built-in public shaming
it's more ethical and better motivating to reward good players instead of putting a dunce cap on bad ones for all to see. i would like to see other awards than just the heart though

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Post by remanseptim » #598494

today i will give somebody a reward for deepfrying all of medical
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