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People voted not to add this, and after reconsidering, it would be shit.

How will you balance this to avoid rapid mitosis changeling? Although the idea of Rev-Ling is somewhat appealing to me....I also wish the personal hivemind thing had been added.

After a ling splits, it will need to husk a new body/steal, like, 5 more DNA to split again. The splitting takes time and KOs you, maybe also should do a bit of damage.

You'll get your wish with Shadowling.

Can't we have Shadowling (Which is incapable of bringing ghosts back, AFAIK) AND changeling? Changeling has tons of potential, people just needed to find the way to balance it to not perma-remove people from the round, and this method is it.

lol this method is awful.
it's OP if you make it like one husk per person and if its more you're still taking people out of the round
ling was never ment to be super robust go kill dudes antag, more of a paranoia dont go alone antag.

Miauw wrote:lol this method is awful.
it's OP if you make it like one husk per person and if its more you're still taking people out of the round
ling was never ment to be super robust go kill dudes antag, more of a paranoia dont go alone antag.

In fairness, they aren't accomplishing that second thing very well any more, either.

Regeneration powers make lings really fucking tough to kill anyways, so letting them split and make more is nuts. The station will get overrun with emp shrieking armblade monkeys every ling round without fail

>Needs one husk
>Needs 6 DNA extractions
>Needs 50 chems
>Will KO you for the process
>Will damage you
>Will be very obvious what is happening of someone walks in on it
>New ling is completely naked and looks like you
>If you want to do this again you need to get 6 more NEW DNA extractions AND a new husk, so you can't use 7 braindead monkeymen to spawn infinilings

How's that for balance

Sounds gimped enough to be pointlessly shitty in that case. Would rather see something like this be slightly too strong than too weak.

Only if its proper absorptions not the stupid sting.

callanrockslol wrote:Only if its proper absorptions not the stupid sting.

Then we return in land of oldlings with killstreaks of 25 + people

qwert wrote:

callanrockslol wrote:Only if its proper absorptions not the stupid sting.

Then we return in land of oldlings with killstreaks of 25 + people

> Implying newling is anywhere near the land of oldling

No instawin parasting, can still get your ass kicked even if you silence and try to armblade them

Drynwyn wrote:

Miauw wrote:lol this method is awful.
it's OP if you make it like one husk per person and if its more you're still taking people out of the round
ling was never ment to be super robust go kill dudes antag, more of a paranoia dont go alone antag.

In fairness, they aren't accomplishing that second thing very well any more, either.

yeah i know but that doesnt mean we have to make it more like the first.

although maybe we should so it isnt completely shit???? idk.

Ling is literally so shit it got (almost?/was) removed as it's own game mode. Pretty sure people don't want lings shitting out more awful lings.

Or you kow, just make lings exactly like the movie version. It would fix all problems. Instead of taking people out of the round they would be converted to the Ling cause. And you get to datach parts of your bodies for ghosts to control.

Changeling is unworkable as a game mode in my opinion simply because no one has any clue on how to develop it.

It is pretty well agreed upon that ling is shit. I think hat a coder just needs to pick it up, choose a direction and rework the bitch completely. It is the only way it will be cohesive, rather than a mishmash of different powers

Wyzack wrote:It is pretty well agreed upon that long is shit. I think hat a coder just needs to pick it up, choose a direction and rework the bitch completely. It is the only way it will be cohesive, rather than a mishmash of different powers

If only coding gamemodes wouldn't be that hard. Maybe that new Shadowling mode will be reason enough to put Changelings out of their misery, right now they are better of dead.

antags should always be too fucking strong.
You should need the whole crew to kill a changeling, it's an alien and there's usually what? 3-4 of them for every 30 people?
This whole thing of trying to balance the game when 90% of you don't know how to balance the game and the ones that do are balancing stupid shit is getting really annoying tbh.
Oh and fixing what isn't broken.

I once killed and absorbed 32 people in oldling with paramutesting.
Being back oldling, that was REAL paranoia.

Bluespace wrote:I once killed and absorbed 32 people in oldling with paramutesting.
Being back oldling, that was REAL paranoia.

Indeed, back then they served their purpose. What we have now is a aborted infant in comparison, better to let it die or remake it entirely.

oh man is this going to be another thread being nostalgic about the worst antag ever imagined?

;teh god old days wir beter. golden oldies (:

Oldling was fun, provided you were oldling.

Miauw wrote:oh man is this going to be another thread being nostalgic about the worst antag ever imagined?

it's not about nostalgia it's about the total fucking degredation of antags into unequal but equal

they should be fucking unequal, they sohuld fucking win to a lone assistant/sec officer

dont you dare say that lings now are "MORE FUN AND BALANCED" than they were before. It's better if something is fucking overpowered than an antag being underpowered and it being about as boring as watching a mongolian man churn cheese.

When some people are complaining that something is too powerful and others are complaining that it's not powerful enough at the same time it's a sign that you might have things just exactly right.

ColonicAcid wrote: This whole thing of trying to balance the game when 90% of you don't know how to balance the game

my point stands

oldling and newling are both terrible things and should just be scrapped to be made from scratch.

oldling was "paramute everyone, absorb, become unstoppable killing machine"
newling is "get dunked by the first officer/assistant because you didn't get lesser form to get out of the cuffs"

seriously, why is it still a thing? its become sort of hamfisted attempt to turn it into something 'different' and all we've got is "traitor: biological edition".

MMMiracles wrote:oldling and newling are both terrible things and should just be scrapped to be made from scratch.

oldling was "paramute everyone, absorb, become unstoppable killing machine"
newling is "get dunked by the first officer/assistant because you didn't get lesser form to get out of the cuffs"

seriously, why is it still a thing? its become sort of hamfisted attempt to turn it into something 'different' and all we've got is "traitor: biological edition".

i agree with this post

Maybe once shadowling makes it in, remove changeling and work on a 'flesh horror' gamemode which ditches 'Biotraitor' entirely and gets back to the core gameplay of OH GOD HOLY SHIT FUCKING SHIT AAARGH NO NO NOOOOO

Hey I was the one to coin the idea of Changeling being a Biological Traitor.

But on topic, Changeling needs a revamp from the ground up to work. Hopefully Shadowling will be received well and then we can cut out Changeling from the rotation.