/tg/Station 13

Currently, players have a bad habit of calling the shuttle over the minorist of inconveniences, or because they want to roll antag

I propose we put a percentage On the required amount of dead before an hour of gameplay goes by. The shuttle should not be callable unless a certain percentage of the crew are dead or an hour goes past, that way dynamic can start pumping out the fun threats that are normally time locked.

I'm not *that* against it but this is a bandaid for the real issue which is why players are boredcalling. Not enough happening, too often!

I'm not saying progtraitor is responsible for this level of boredom

HOWEVER

it would be funny to see ";everyone suicide at hopline so I can call it", I guess. Or, better yet, command starting a purge after captain stubs his toe.

shuttle calls are the voice of the oppressed (the playerbase)
it's not good to mask them, since round length statistics ought to be honest. if people don't want to play we should fix that, not force them to

There can also be a strategic element. If you got war ops and you know they want that fuckin disk, you might as well shuttle call when you can, instead of waiting until war ops kill half the crew before you can finally start retreating.

TheFinalPotato wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 12:46 am shuttle calls are the voice of the oppressed (the playerbase)
it's not good to mask them, since round length statistics ought to be honest. if people don't want to play we should fix that, not force them to

Shuttle calls are not reflective of the player base at large, they are reflective of roles with shuttle call access.

it's not a perfect indicator but I still don't think it should be artificially delayed
if the round is boring consistently we should fix that yaknow?

you are all objectively wrong because people aren't calling the shuttle cuz they're bored they're calling the shuttle so everyone gets a roll at antag

Unless you've been absorbing the minds of our players like a changeling, keep "objective" outta thy mouth because that's a theory. And it's not like that can't be a contributing factor as well, but more action would keep people from wishing for another antag roll instead of continuing with a round

Restarting the round is the more collective way of doing things. Mechanics of hijacks aside.

I hate kilo, frankly the other guy does too, if its one minute into the round of kilostation i am definitely going to vote yes if able (its bad taste, dont start votes minute 1 please if you can't call shuttle minute 1), and this cavalier attitude carries into shuttle calls.

The issue is the players, not the game. The people who call because they want to roll antag don't have any attention span whatsoever. You can't fix that.

Imitates-The-Lizards wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 12:24 pm The issue is the players, not the game. The people who call because they want to roll antag don't have any attention span whatsoever. You can't fix that.

Well then, let’s take away those who wish to roll antag their ability to force that on everyone else for at least an hour or an actual emergency happens.

Adam Klein wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 1:02 pm

Imitates-The-Lizards wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 12:24 pm The issue is the players, not the game. The people who call because they want to roll antag don't have any attention span whatsoever. You can't fix that.

Well then, let’s take away those who wish to roll antag their ability to force that on everyone else for at least an hour or an actual emergency happens.

Oh, no, I agree with you, I just don't think coderbus is willing to do so because they think it's an issue of "Game boring, fix game instead of bandaid" when it's really the players who are broken.

Bad player habits are encouraged via gameplay.

Helios wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 1:44 am There can also be a strategic element. If you got war ops and you know they want that fuckin disk, you might as well shuttle call when you can, instead of waiting until war ops kill half the crew before you can finally start retreating.

Calling the shuttle to deal with warops defeats the whole point of warops. It should be a battle between the crew and the operators. Forcing a call because a threat becomes an actual threat is just play to win behavior in my opinion. Fight the antags, don’t try to cuck them with the shuttle.

People who call shuttle for cult/Nukies are cringe and deserve bedbugs. There’s a reason we disabled the shuttle for blob and revs.

A PR for this was attempted for this already, but it was closed: https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/27305

That was a pr from 6 years ago, I would argue that the game has been changed massively since then. Especially considering the new dynamic mode changes the well *Dynamic* of how shifts go down.