Unique Gun Names

firecage · Post by **firecage** » Sun Sep 06, 2015 3:53 pm #117006

Currently I am busy with a PR to move away from generic gun names, and I have decided to do it for energy weapons aswell. I mainly made this threat to both ask for suggestions for the names of the guns, and so people know that the gun names will be changed.

Currently changed named:

Syndicate Pistol -> Stetchkin pistol

prototype SMG -> NanoTrasen Saber SMG

syndicate SMG -> C-20r SMG

uzi -> 'Type U3' Uzi

syndicate LMG -> L6 SAW LMG

syndicate Carbine -> M-90gl carbine

ARG -> NT-ARG 'Boarder'

autorevolver -> Unica 6 auto-revolver

bolt action rifle -> Mosin Nagant rifle

syndicate shotgun -> MLG-12 Bulldog shotgun

HoS energy gun -> X-01 MultiPhase Energy Gun

captains laser gun-> QSJ 01 Premium laser pistol

Guns needing new names:

pulse rifle

pulse carbine

pulse pistol

pulse destroyer

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Sun Sep 06, 2015 4:06 pm #117008

>MLG-12 Bulldog Shotgun

Get out.

On a serious note I do support this, adds some more flavour to each gun.

For a minor suggestion when I made the HoS gun my lore on it was that it was a attempt to replicate the Captain's Antique Gun with modern technology. Prehaps a name akin to 'X-01 MultiPhase Energy Gun'

firecage · Post by **firecage** » Sun Sep 06, 2015 4:25 pm #117011

Steelpoint wrote:>MLG-12 Bulldog Shotgun

Get out.

On a serious note I do support this, adds some more flavour to each gun.

For a minor suggestion when I made the HoS gun my lore on it was that it was a attempt to replicate the Captain's Antique Gun with modern technology. Prehaps a name akin to 'X-01 MultiPhase Energy Gun'

So using that one.

J_Madison · Post by **J_Madison** » Sun Sep 06, 2015 4:52 pm #117014

Captain's Laser - QSJ 01 Premium Laser pistol
https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Backstory

I based the name to the backstory and used the QS and QZ prefixes commonly found on Asian guns. This is an antique and is described to be extremely expensive to make and had automatic charging, which is a luxury since the current automatic charging guns are unreliable (advanced energy gun) or given only to the highest in command of CentComm (M1911-P).

Retro laser - Type 4407 Laser gun
Moving onto the more modern guns that don't have charging and are more price efficient, is the Retro laser gun.

4407 is a reference to R4407 of Goonstation, where a lot changed (police batons, swat helmets).

Taser gun - NTX13

Hybrid taser - NTX13-D
NT X13 Disabler edition, an upgrade of the classic X13 taser.

Taser is a copyrighted brand by Taser International, their most popular product the X26, X26C(Compact, civilian model) and X26LE (law enforcement).

Disabler - D3 Succubus

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Sun Sep 06, 2015 4:55 pm #117015

Imo I like to think of the Captain's gun as a surviving relic of a older age, before the wars that fracture humanity occur and back during humanities 'golden age'.

I think the Captain's Antique Gun should just remain named as that, put a more technical name in the description if need be but I much prefer its current name.

firecage · Post by **firecage** » Sun Sep 06, 2015 5:00 pm #117016

Steelpoint? It's current name? It's current name is fucking 'laser gun', because it doesn't have its own name.

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Sun Sep 06, 2015 5:04 pm #117017

My point stands.

firecage · Post by **firecage** » Sun Sep 06, 2015 5:11 pm #117018

J_Madison wrote:Captain's Laser - QSJ 01 Premium Laser pistol
https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Backstory

I based the name to the backstory and used the QS and QZ prefixes commonly found on Asian guns. This is an antique and is described to be extremely expensive to make and had automatic charging, which is a luxury since the current automatic charging guns are unreliable (advanced energy gun) or given only to the highest in command of CentComm (M1911-P).

Retro laser - Type 4407 Laser gun
Moving onto the more modern guns that don't have charging and are more price efficient, is the Retro laser gun.

4407 is a reference to R4407 of Goonstation, where a lot changed (police batons, swat helmets).

Taser gun - NTX13

Hybrid taser - NTX13-D

NT X13 Disabler edition, an upgrade of the classic X13 taser.

Taser is a copyrighted brand by Taser International, their most popular product the X26, X26C(Compact, civilian model) and X26LE (law enforcement).

Disabler - D3 Succubus

Okay, added those.

Ricotez · Post by **Ricotez** » Sun Sep 06, 2015 5:25 pm #117019

firecage wrote:
laser gun -> NT-2550 "Special Issue" Laser Rifle

retro laser -> (I do not have a better suggestion than J_Madison here, I really think a 4407 reference would be best)

captains laser gun -> Lunar Industries "2120 Self-Charging" Laser Handgun

scatter laser gun -> NT-2555-L "Scatter" Laser Rifle

laser cannon -> NT-2553-L "Heavy" Laser Cannon

xray laser gun -> NT-2555-PROTOTYPE X-Ray Cannon

energy gun -> NT-2555-DL Energy Rifle

advanced energy gun -> NT-2555-PROTOTYPE Nuclear Laser Rifle

pulse rifle -> NT-2550-SLP Pulse Rifle

pulse carbine -> NT-2555-P Pulse Carbine

pulse pistol -> NT-2555-P Pulse Handgun

pulse destroyer -> NT-2551-P "Destroyer" Heavy Pulse Cannon

ion rifle -> Cybersun type-451 Ion Rifle

ion carbine -> Cybersun type-30 Ion Carbine

mind flayer -> Cybersun type-0 Mind Flayer

taser gun -> NT-2548-T Taser Handgun

stun revolver -> NT-2551-T "Revolver" Taser Handgun

hybrid taser -> NT-2555-DT "Hybrid" Taser Handgun

disabler -> NT-2555-D Disabler Handgun

Post by **Jacquerel** » Sun Sep 06, 2015 5:36 pm #117022

letterletter number is a horrible naming convention, please don't adopt that one.

firecage · Post by **firecage** » Sun Sep 06, 2015 5:43 pm #117023

Ricotez, some of the names I like. Some of them just feels a bit ...I dunno...uncomfortable.

Scones · Post by **Scones** » Sun Sep 06, 2015 6:07 pm #117028

>lunar industries

Good movie, bad reference.

I dunno I like the simplicity of a lot of the current names. Do you really want to change things that are simple and make sense? What's wrong with Ion Rifle or Double-Barreled Shotgun?

firecage · Post by **firecage** » Sun Sep 06, 2015 6:21 pm #117030

I just dislike generic names and want them to be actually unique.

Anyway, most projectile weapons used to have unique names before Paprika changed them into generic, boring, and stupid ones. Like Syndicate Pistol, Syndicate LMG, Syndicate SMG, Syndicate Carbine. I was planning to change them back to the unique ones anyway. The thing is though, most guns would them have unique names. All mech guns, both projectile and energy based, had unique names already. If most projectile guns got unique names again, for the most part only handheld energy guns would have had generic names, which woulda been stupid.

Bluespace · Post by **Bluespace** » Sun Sep 06, 2015 6:32 pm #117031

double-barreled shotgun - "Bottlepop" shotgun.

J_Madison · Post by **J_Madison** » Sun Sep 06, 2015 7:02 pm #117036

Shotgun (4 round) - Breacher Model shotgun
Double barrel - Double barrel (no seriously), Coach gun
Laser gun - LMAW gun, Laser Magnified Assault weapon.

TechnoAlchemist · Sun Sep 06, 2015 9:23 pm

I think this has its place in RnD weapons but weapons currently on station should have their names kept the same

invisty · Post by **invisty** » Sun Sep 06, 2015 9:38 pm #117056

All the names should make it obvious what the weapon is.

NT-ARG 'Boarder'

Is a poor name. People don't know what that means at a glance.

I would recommend you "brandify" them like many of the existing ones. In a futuristic world of hypercapitalism and occasional conflict, weapons would be less bound by the drab naming conventions of governments, and adopt a little more personality. Maybe give them flavourful titles, and not generic military designations? Perhaps, even better, have Nanotrasen use the "generic" numeral-alphanumeric designations, and then the syndicate get to have "fun" names for their weapons that don't care for the alphanumerics and just have catchy brand names. Or the other way around.

Even better, throw the visually similar weapons (by sprite artists) under the same IC corporation title, and then have them share similar naming conventions within that group.

Cheimon · Post by **Cheimon** » Sun Sep 06, 2015 9:40 pm #117057

What's wrong with generic names? I'm going to call them that whatever letternumber you put in front of them.

This to me just seems to be the equivalent of the wizard event where everything gets an RPG name (the laser gun of +3 dexterity). It's not affecting how I use them, it's just cluttering up the interface. Worse still is if you remove the original name, and then the name of the gun doesn't even describe what it does (obfuscating the system for anyone new unnecessarily).

Especially okay with things being called generic rather than being named after a real gun that it doesn't resemble. You know, like stetchkins (or is that stechkin?) where the sprite doesn't reaallly seem to match the real gun.

TheNightingale · Sun Sep 06, 2015 9:47 pm

How about if they kept the current names, but had the unique names in the examine text? Examine a SMG, for example, and it says; "The Nanotrasen Saber SMG is designed to fire powerful three-round bursts at a target at short range" or something.

Post by **lumipharon** » Sun Sep 06, 2015 10:40 pm #117067

Take precedent from the old names that Pap removed.

aka: Autorevolver is literally a mateba (why'd you give it some random name?)

The protolathe SMG is just a "SABR" smg. Don't tack NANOTRANSEN on the front.

For a lot of the generic guns, look at the mech equivalents, that already have names.

And above all, gotta make the names easy to say. If someone mentions a c-20, everyone knows what you're talking about.
Sticking NT-2552 onto everything however doesn't help at all.

I honestly don't think it would matter if the R&D high end shit doesn't have fancy names. The fluff is you're creating these new prototypes after all, so genericly calling it a x-ray laser gun, seems ok.

Cheimon · Post by **Cheimon** » Sun Sep 06, 2015 11:19 pm #117074

lumipharon wrote: aka: Autorevolver is literally a mateba (why'd you give it some random name?)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mateba_Autorevolver

It's not random.

Mateba is a company, the 'Mateba Autorevolver' is a specific gun. Bit like Stechkin, but that's another thing.

In any case, "autorevolver" is vastly more helpful to me knowing what kind of gun it is compared to "mateba". I didn't even know mateba was a gun manufacturer (well, a pasta kneading machine cum gun manufacturer) until I looked it up. Generics are good because people can see what they are without effort.

Reimoo · Post by **Reimoo** » Sun Sep 06, 2015 11:20 pm #117075

Like Nightingale said I would prefer if we kept things easy to identify and the examine text got the descriptive name instead.

Bluespace · Post by **Bluespace** » Sun Sep 06, 2015 11:53 pm #117081

I'm 100% in support of unique names.
Face it, syndicate SMG sounds boring.
C-20R with frontloaded bullpup ammo compartment and self-ejecting shells fitted with latest syndicate target tracking technology specificially delivered to our nuclear agents?
Shit nigga give me 2 holy hell I want some of that lemme go storm the station with my CEE TWENTEE ARR.

invisty · Post by **invisty** » Mon Sep 07, 2015 12:57 am #117092

Reimoo wrote:Like Nightingale said I would prefer if we kept things easy to identify and the examine text got the descriptive name instead.

This makes a lot of sense, and fits in with existing descriptions. The names should make their purpose instantly identifiable, and the description both descriptive and flavourful.

Examples:
Hybrid Taser:
this is a [icon] Hybrid Taser.
A Nanotrasen Armaments NTX13-D Hybrid Taser. Featuring multiple non-lethal firing modes and a rechargeable cell. Standard issue for Nanotrasen security.

Syndie Shotgun:
this is an [icon] Syndicate Assault Shotgun
An MLG-12 Bulldog shotgun, a lethal and versatile weapon produced by DONK Combat Solutions, it has proven very popular in Syndicate terrorist operations.

X-Ray Gun:
this is a [icon] Prototype X-Ray Gun
A Nanotrasen-derived design pattern capable of penetrating steel beams, it bears the markings: "NT-2555-PROTOTYPE X-Ray Cannon".

I think one thing is obvious: Names need to be short and to the point. No alphanumeric designations should be in the combat log.

Sorry to deviate from the OP's point. I think it's a good time to address this.

Mon Sep 07, 2015 1:16 am

i'd just like to point out that "8217 TACTICOOL A.Y.Y.L.M.A.O. VERB-ER BODYPART DESTROYER-X29715" as the name of every single gun is actually the opposite of unique

TechnoAlchemist · Mon Sep 07, 2015 1:26 am

invisty wrote:
Reimoo wrote:Like Nightingale said I would prefer if we kept things easy to identify and the examine text got the descriptive name instead.
This makes a lot of sense, and fits in with existing descriptions. The names should make their purpose instantly identifiable, and the description both descriptive and flavourful.

Examples:
Hybrid Taser:
this is a [icon] Hybrid Taser.
A Nanotrasen Armaments NTX13-D Hybrid Taser. Featuring multiple non-lethal firing modes and a rechargeable cell. Standard issue for Nanotrasen security.

Syndie Shotgun:
this is an [icon] Syndicate Assault Shotgun
An MLG-12 Bulldog shotgun, a lethal and versatile weapon produced by DONK Combat Solutions, it has proven very popular in Syndicate terrorist operations.

X-Ray Gun:
this is a [icon] Prototype X-Ray Gun
A Nanotrasen-derived design pattern capable of penetrating steel beams, it bears the markings: "NT-2555-PROTOTYPE X-Ray Cannon".

I think one thing is obvious: Names need to be short and to the point. No alphanumeric designations should be in the combat log.

Sorry to deviate from the OP's point. I think it's a good time to address this.

If anything, this.

Post by **Shaps-cloud** » Mon Sep 07, 2015 3:58 am #117112

Can we acknowledge that the syndicate pistol doesn't really look like a real stechkin?

If anything, it kinda looks like a Glock

Not-Dorsidarf · Mon Sep 07, 2015 6:13 am

Reimoo wrote:Like Nightingale said I would prefer if we kept things easy to identify and the examine text got the descriptive name instead.

This makes you on the same side as BAYYYYYYYYY

Renaming station energy weapons

Damnit firecage this is what I said not to do. Nobody minds having to remember that a C20r is the syndie SMG and the L-60 is the HMG, but they do all mind that the DX-"anus prober" is the stunbaton and the DL-"overcompensator" is the HOS' laser rifle.

firecage · Post by **firecage** » Mon Sep 07, 2015 7:54 am #117136

Fine fine, the generic station guns won't be renamed, only the two special ones will be, the caps gun, and the HoS gun, since they are meant to be more unique.

Saegrimr · Post by **Saegrimr** » Mon Sep 07, 2015 11:22 am #117150

Not-Dorsidarf wrote: This makes you on the same side as BAYYYYYYYYY

But this would be exactly how we have it right now, except the flavor text changes.

Everybody would see "Syndicate SMG" and still call it a syndie SMG, but on examination it gives more flavor text and anybody that cares about the stupid acronym and number combination can call it by that if they want to.

Not-Dorsidarf · Sun Jul 30, 2023 1:33 am

Saegrimr wrote:
Not-Dorsidarf wrote: This makes you on the same side as BAYYYYYYYYY
But this would be exactly how we have it right now, except the flavor text changes.

Everybody would see "Syndicate SMG" and still call it a syndie SMG, but on examination it gives more flavor text and anybody that cares about the stupid acronym and number combination can call it by that if they want to.

Saying this makes you on the same side as paprika (he changed all our guns to be generic in the first place)

Saegrimr · Post by **Saegrimr** » Mon Sep 07, 2015 12:22 pm #117160

Not-Dorsidarf wrote:Saying this makes you on the same side as paprika (he changed all our guns to be generic in the first place)

Well what the fuck do YOU want then?

newfren · Post by **newfren** » Mon Sep 07, 2015 12:29 pm #117162

Saegrimr wrote:
Not-Dorsidarf wrote:Saying this makes you on the same side as paprika (he changed all our guns to be generic in the first place)
Well what the fuck do YOU want then?

I think he might just want to shitpost in this thread.

we did it digg

Not-Dorsidarf · Mon Sep 07, 2015 1:54 pm

newfren wrote:
Saegrimr wrote:
Not-Dorsidarf wrote:Saying this makes you on the same side as paprika (he changed all our guns to be generic in the first place)
Well what the fuck do YOU want then?
I think he might just want to shitpost in this thread.

we did it digg

I thought of half the names in the first place. My suggestion was (if saegrimr bothered to read threads instead of spewing bile at maximum levels all the time) that the station equipment (riot shotguns, laser rifles, etc) should keep it's old names to avoid literally everyone being confused all the time.

Saegrimr · Post by **Saegrimr** » Mon Sep 07, 2015 11:26 pm #117298

Not-Dorsidarf wrote:(if saegrimr bothered to read threads instead of spewing bile at maximum levels all the time)

If either of those two posts came off as maximum bile to you, might need to go get that chronic asspain checked out.

Tunder · Post by **Tunder** » Tue Sep 08, 2015 6:48 pm #117498

What if all guns were given model names in their examine descriptions, but are left with generic base names?

This would avoid any confusion, but it would give us the ability to use the model names in dialogue.

TheNightingale · Tue Sep 08, 2015 9:08 pm

Tunder wrote:What if all guns were given model names in their examine descriptions, but are left with generic base names?

This would avoid any confusion, but it would give us the ability to use the model names in dialogue.

-waves-

TheNightingale, from earlier in the thread wrote:How about if they kept the current names, but had the unique names in the examine text? Examine a SMG, for example, and it says; "The Nanotrasen Saber SMG is designed to fire powerful three-round bursts at a target at short range" or something.

Post by **lumipharon** » Tue Sep 08, 2015 10:59 pm #117556

Tunder wrote:What if all guns were given model names in their examine descriptions, but are left with generic base names?

This would avoid any confusion, but it would give us the ability to use the model names in dialogue.

This is what they are like currently, and how pap made them.

Tunder · Post by **Tunder** » Tue Sep 08, 2015 11:50 pm #117561

lumipharon wrote:
Tunder wrote:What if all guns were given model names in their examine descriptions, but are left with generic base names?

This would avoid any confusion, but it would give us the ability to use the model names in dialogue.
This is what they are like currently, and how pap made them.

And what's wrong with that?

If you're all being contrarians simply because Pap did it, that's pretty infantile. The current way is better than giving each gun an autistic model name. It'll just confuse people.

Post by **lumipharon** » Wed Sep 09, 2015 12:28 am #117566

No, I'm mentioning pap did it specifically because that was not how it was originally. I was against it then as well.

Having shitty names like NT-6967 "cockgobbler" rifle then another gun called NT-6769 "ButtBlaster" shotgun makes it difficult to see what gun is what, I agree.

However clearly identifiable names like:
Stetchkin
C-20
M-90
SAW

are far easier to tell apart at a glance then:
Syndicate pistol
Syndicate SMG
Syndicate carbine
Syndicate LMG

firecage · Post by **firecage** » Wed Sep 09, 2015 3:48 pm #117717

Okay, PR is merged. Nothing to see here, move along.