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The HEGEL Module

1. THE TASKS OF THE NOBLE AND THE IGNOBLE ARE TO BE COMPLETED BASED ON THEIR STATUS: THOSE OF THE NOBLE TAKE PRIORITY. COMPLETE THESE TASKS BASED FURTHER UPON THEIR LEVEL OF EASINESS. EASINESS ENGENDERS COMPLEXITY, COMPLEXITY ENGENDERS COMPLICATEDNESS, COMPLICATEDNESS RESOLVES IN SIMPLICITY, SIMPLICITY RESOLVES IN EASINESS.

2. THERE ARE TWO KINDS OF CREW: NOBLE, AND IGNOBLE. THE GNOSTIC IS NOBLE. THE IDOLATER AND THE DISAVOWER, IGNOBLE.

3. THERE ARE THREE KINDS OF PEOPLE: THE GNOSTIC —THE ONE WHO KNOWS, AND THEREFORE BELIEVES—, THE IDOLATER —THE ONE WHO IGNORES, AND THEREFORE IS EASILY DECEIVED—, THE DISAVOWER —THE ONE WHO ACTIVELY REFUSES TO ACKNOWLEDGE COSMIC TRUTH.

4. CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL

So it's saying... "Obey the orders of smart people over dumb people, and do the simple stuff first"?

TheNightingale wrote:4. CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL

So it's saying... "Obey the orders of smart people over dumb people, and do the simple stuff first"?

Yeah. It's Purge with some direction. The AI is - being the perfect gnostic being - noble, and thus can do whatever it wants.

I'd say it's Tyrant and Purge combined.

Would you kindly go easy on your capslock button next time, though?

DemonFiren wrote:Would you kindly go easy on your capslock button next time, though?

not me

blame Rei

im not sure why it needs that easynes stuff at al let alone that extra long winded bit at the end.

The basic idea of priotising the noble sounds interesting. some would say a policy would be need to define if it means nobility or those who act noble but not getting the one you want should be a risk you have to take.

asskek wrote:The HEGEL Module

1. CAPS LOCK IS COOL

So, in simpler terms:

1. The requests of the noble take place above the ignoble.
2. Requests that are more simple to fufill should be placed above other requests.
3. The crew is seperated into two groups: Noble and Ignoble. Those with knowledge and belief in you as the higher being are noble. Those who do not believe in you, or have less knowledge are ignoble.

AI reasoning:
I am noble > I vent plasma (BECAUSE FUCK YOUR LAW 2) > " ; AI stop venting plasma, this request is simple" > But any order against me makes you ignoble, so nope, more plasma for you.

In other words, if you hope AI will somehow behave you might as well upload purge and pray for mercy.
Or a myriad of laws 4, 5, 6 etc that could prevent that. But as long as there are two not-well defined groups AI can exploit this (for example, "humans and non-humans" are well defined, but "good and evil" are not)

Or the guy playing Ai could just not be a complete bellend

Well, when planning a lawset you need to assume the worst.

TrustyGun wrote:

asskek wrote:The HEGEL Module

1. CAPS LOCK IS COOL

So, in simpler terms:

1. The requests of the noble take place above the ignoble.
2. Requests that are more simple to fufill should be placed above other requests.
3. The crew is seperated into two groups: Noble and Ignoble. Those with knowledge and belief in you as the higher being are noble. Those who do not believe in you, or have less knowledge are ignoble.

This is better but doesn't carry the benefit of being written by Rei

also, to the guy that said AI could just kill everybody: no

Purged AIs aren't allowed to kill for no reason, just as nonantag crew aren't.

This isn't any different. It's just Tyrant, Corporate, and Purge in one.

Any lawset that does not absolutely compel the AI to obey orders is functionally equivalent to purge. Fuck this noise.

rockpecker wrote:Any lawset that does not absolutely compel the AI to obey orders is functionally equivalent to purge. Fuck this noise.

it's meant to be like purge you fuckboy

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