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Make space lube visible

Post by CPTANT » #130674

I don't have a problem with how easy it is to make, or how strong the effect is.

but can we PLEASE make it have the same tile overlay as water?
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tedward1337 wrote:Sae is like the racist grandad who everyone laughs at for being racist, but deep down we all know he's right.
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Re: Make space lube visible

Post by Super Aggro Crag » #130686

i died

please nerf.
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Post by Oldman Robustin » #130694

This feels like it should be a feedback thread.

I'm in favor of it but don't care enough yet to make a PR of it. Only a few players really abuse this stuff, but it's still really out of whack for a mixture that takes no effort to make. It can also go from "OP" to "Broken" when unstunnable antags (Hulks, borgs, Lings) get their hands on it.

Making it visible is one of the best fixes. It is still very powerful because:

1) People cannot defeat it by /walking
2) People will think its water and /walk over it and git rekt
3) The stun is eternal and a few slips will fuck you up
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Re: Make space lube visible

Post by CPTANT » #130698

Super Aggro Crag wrote:i died

please nerf.
If you weren't a complete turd you would have noticed I frequently propose buffs to make things more lethal.
Timberpoes wrote: Tue Feb 14, 2023 3:21 pm The rules exist to create the biggest possible chance of a cool shift of SS13. They don't exist to allow admins to create the most boring interpretation of SS13.
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Re: Make space lube visible

Post by Steelpoint » #130699

Making it visable akin to water will still make it powerful, as people will attempt to walk over the 'water' and in fact end up slipping themselves right into the comforting embrace of a energy sword.
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Post by PKPenguin321 » #130766

this is literally a one line change and i have just coded it
i'm gonna PR it because i like the reasons OldMan listed, and pray nobody will burn me at the stake
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Re: Make space lube visible

Post by Saegrimr » #130768

iamgoofball wrote: >2014 thread

no
It contained relevant discussion and points made for and against the change. Do you not agree?
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Post by MrStonedOne » #130769

How about this:

Make lube have less stun time. but make it stack with water so that lube+water = old stun time.

Then you can choose between an invisible slip, or a long slip.
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Re: Make space lube visible

Post by PKPenguin321 » #130770

to be honest it would probably be easier to just code a new reagent that is invisible but doesnt slip as long
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Re: Make space lube visible

Post by Super Aggro Crag » #130774

CPTANT wrote:
Super Aggro Crag wrote:i died

please nerf.
If you weren't a complete turd you would have noticed I frequently propose buffs to make things more lethal.
I got lubed by a janiborg and space yesterday which is why I said I died please nerf, please do not project so much friend :-)
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Post by metacide » #130775

Steelpoint wrote:Making it visable akin to water will still make it powerful, as people will attempt to walk over the 'water' and in fact end up slipping themselves right into the comforting embrace of a energy sword.
Very much this. Seems fairly reasonable to me.
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Post by Amelius » #130811

Tbh, making lube visible is a buff. The main thing with lube was that it was double-edged. You can use it defensively, yes, but you have no way of telling when it is gone so the user never knows if they can use an exit safely.

I'd recommend strongly against it.
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Re: Make space lube visible

Post by CPTANT » #130830

Amelius wrote:Tbh, making lube visible is a buff. The main thing with lube was that it was double-edged. You can use it defensively, yes, but you have no way of telling when it is gone so the user never knows if they can use an exit safely.

I'd recommend strongly against it.
In some ways it is a buff, in others its a nerf. I would say it changes it for the better. At least it makes it possible to know when the lube you just slipped on has disappeared.
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Re: Make space lube visible

Post by MisterPerson » #130990

Questions like "is it a nerf?" are silly. Here's the real questions worth asking.

Would it be more fun visible or invisible -
For the person using it?
For the person getting slipt and rekt?
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Re: Make space lube visible

Post by iamgoofball » #130992

Saegrimr wrote:
iamgoofball wrote: >2014 thread

no
It contained relevant discussion and points made for and against the change. Do you not agree?
Shoulda clarified, usually admim memers posting threads about same topic is short for "dupe thread tbh fam"
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Re: Make space lube visible

Post by PKPenguin321 » #130999

MisterPerson wrote:Questions like "is it a nerf?" are silly. Here's the real questions worth asking.

Would it be more fun visible or invisible -
For the person using it?
For the person getting slipt and rekt?
i like this question

For the person using it: Yes, they can now see their own trap and know to avoid it. They can also tell people that water is lube or that lube is just water for all kinds of shenanigans.
For the people getting slipt and rekt: Yes, they know to avoid the tiles and also know when the lube wears off so they can move again.
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Re: Make space lube visible

Post by Incomptinence » #131004

Wouldn't the person who uses it after ages of slip shenanigans just remember where they put the drat lube? Or with more random delivery methods like maybe grenades predict the spread? HRRRNG IS BUFF assumes the person using it is incredibly stupid.
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Re: Make space lube visible

Post by Steelpoint » #131011

Most people who are competent enough to use Space Lube are good enough to remember where they spray their lube.

Also if Lube is used defensivly then there's no risk to the lubber, since they're running away from the tiles they are lubing. Then throw in the benefit of your pursuers being slipped and slidding in front of you, awaiting you to deliver your justice to them as they're stuck on the floor forever.
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