Security Rearmament

[John_Oxford]

Removes Security officer's tasers at round start, replaces them with the AEW series

AEW-1a



Replaces tasers, spawns on security officers backs at round start, fires 9mm rubber ball ammo, doing 60 stamina damage, spawns with a extra magazine in the backpack of the same ball ammo, 4 lethal 9mm mags spawn in armory for this. Ball mags can be reloaded with normal ammunition at round start. Two more of these loaded with lethal 9mm mags spawn in the lethal ammo locker.

AEW-2s

Research can produce these for fairly low costs, they still require a firing pin. Has charges for 10 disables, 8 kills, and 6 stun shots. Can be recharged at any recharger, Functionally the same as the HOS's gun. Warden spawns with one instead of the stock 1a's.



AEW-3c

Essentially the same as autorifles, just order them from cargo for 5 points less. 20 round magazine capacity, fires 9mm ammo of any type. Plays the C20-r buzzing sound when it runs out of ammo.



All of these can have flashlights attached to them, all of them do 10 brute as a melee weapon.

EDIT

you can try your hardest to combat my wave of overly thought out not balanced ideas, but i will prevail. you are fighting a losing battle young son.

[newfren]

https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=32

[Zilenan91]

These are Steelpoint's guns with (no offense) worse looking sprites

[1g88a]

The AEW-3c makes me think of a fucked up Walther MPL, even though its just that pistol sprite with a stock/strap/extended mag

[Steelpoint]

This is almost exactly what I did sans the subjectively worse sprites.

It'll also run into the same problems, mainly in that Ballistic Stamina damage is still borked last time I checked.

Your better off tossing a Auto Rifle into the Armoury, at least that action got a good level of community support at the time (50/50).

[Lumbermancer]

Removes Security officer's tasers at round start,

No. This weapon is your life, try not to lose it.

[Cheimon]

Stamina damage is annoying in that it takes a second or two to kick in. A stun is instant, which means in a lot of situations it's straightforwardly better.

A second or two doesn't sound like much, but it's the difference between the person failing to do anything, or firing their revolver twice, teleporting away, activating their bomb, all sorts of things.

Where disablers are useful is in someone that's rocketing around (can be quite hard to hit) and in going through windows (which rubber balls wouldn't). Also, they tend to have a very high ammo count, while tasers are much less easy to spam.

[Cik]

well the tradeoff is that tasers have a delay, and a pretty low range (disadvantaging you against revolvers and the like) whereas ballistics probably handle that better.

i like guns.

[Lumbermancer]

You're security, not military.

[DrPillzRedux]

This whole thing is a joke you silly nerds.

[ShadowDimentio]

And then John had the worst ideas ever

And we all laughed at him

[Drynwyn]

And then John had the worst ideas ever

And we all laughed at him

*clears throat*
NYEH-HEH-HEH!

[Zilenan91]

I would still like to see those steelpistols that steelpoint made a long time ago, I really liked them.

[RedMcCloud]

I like how after telling John to GTFO of my 'detective sidegrade' thread, which included rubber ball guns as one of the most discussed things, cuz he kept derailing it, he steals my idea and tries to make a thread about 'hurr durr give sec lethal guns at round start'

fuck outta here

[John_Oxford]

Wait, you said that? Fuck, i would have kept derailing.


Fuck your ideas, their my ideas now, im the idea thief motherfucker.

EDIT

Can you fuck off please, this isn't about you obsession with gunsmithing, it's about possible alternative detective weaponry

stop derailing the goddamn thread

There is no alternative to a gun, its a better or worse version of a gun, in this case, you added more guns.

If you where here for longer than 5 minutes, maybe you would come to know that i involve myself in quite literally every single idea thread that pops up involving customization of weapons and equipment that security or antagonists have. If i wanted to derail your thread, i'd talk about giving corgis the abilitys to use weapons, gunsmithing falls in line with weapon customization which falls in line with different weapon variants, which falls in line with different weapons of the same type, which is what your talking about.

So you fuck off for posting a idea i posted countless times before over a series of 9 threads, you aren't special motherfucker, you aren't the idea thief, that's me.

Quit stealing my ideas and my jobs

EDIT 2.0:

If you think about it, i don't know why i still bother with blatant security buff merges, because i spoiled the entire division of the playerbase that actually liked the idea by droning on it about it over 9 threads.

Since you want to be a cunt about it, i'll make it obvious, this is a meme thread, no one in their right mind would give a security force that is ment to stun and detain crime breakers lethal weapons at round start.

If you want to make a reply, and point out how im fucking stupid for making a meme thread. That's the point dumbass, the irony would be strong, so please do.

Please try to prove you're right.

[TheNightingale]

Giving Security lethal weapons at roundstart wouldn't work. Giving them access to lethal weapons might (I think a red-alert shotgun case in the department offices was suggested once?).

[Cheimon]

S T E E L R I F L E S

[TheNightingale]

Reinforced cabinets in departmental security posts - like the fire axe cabinets, but more secure. When a red or delta alert is called, the plasteel shutters withdraw - from there, they can be unlocked with a Security-level ID or a silicon, or simply bashed open with the nearest blunt implement. Inside is an autorifle. (They're not even automatic, why are they called autorifles?) If the alert level is lowered, the shutters stay open.

[Cheimon]

They're called autorifles because they were made by Mr Auto

or, because they were designed to automatically unlock

and because they're rifles

[RedMcCloud]

autorifles originally had fire modes but like all good things those got removed so now it's semi-only

also holy assblast, John

[Steelpoint]

I had a choice of either nerfing the weapons to deal around five damage per bullet or to remove the semi-auto function for balancing reasons. Having a 3 round burst that can deal 60 damage at round start was too much as was quickly shown during the PR trial (before it was merged).

Also Auto Rifle sounds nicer than anything else, and I ain't going to rename them to that gimmicky name of 'Steelrifle'.

Edit: If you want a Rifle I suggest putting one down in the Armoury in a tac equipment area, so just slap the rifle down with one of the Bulletproof Vests.

Hardly going to unbalance the game, and that would have been a more fair compromise than ripping them out.