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Recently I´ve seen the Fly race being added onto the server so I thought to myself; Why aren't plasmama here yet? I mean I can see them on the wiki and it might not be too hard to implant them onto the server.

https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Plasmaman

This was originally planned. Seemed like it was getting close too, until the people working on it abruptly stopped. Not sure what still needs to be done, they seem to work fine to me

No. You have flymen. You have lizardmen. You have plantmen. You have slimemen. You have humen. Is enough.

I never asked to be human,
also I indentify myself as a plasmaman and if you won't add it I'll sue you for racism.

We had them, you could roundstart play them for a while. But they were bugged and generally a grief fest since they were basically bonfires setting everything on fire when they died.

I loved playing as them in the short time we had them. There's no reason they can't be polished and added. Having a hardmode race was great, and really spiced up the game for me.

bring em back

Knaive wrote:We had them, you could roundstart play them for a while. But they were bugged and generally a grief fest since they were basically bonfires setting everything on fire when they died.

If they just weren't a purple skeleton producing everlasting plasma while exposed to oxygen even on death

So make them burn to dust or something, code solutions were how everything else to do with plasmamen was being resolved.

Make them leave behind just ash on death

The issue plasmamemes have has to with the way humans breath. They breath in oxygen, use 1/5 of it, and then breath out 4/5th oxygen and 1/5th co2. This goes straight into the enviroment.

Well... with oxygen that's fine.... with plasma.... UH OH.

So why do they have to exhale plasma? They're plasmamen, we can make them exhale whatever the fuck we want them to exhale.

Mostly because breathcode a shit. Anyways, the bug with plasmamen that got them disabled was that nukeops plasmamen would spawn without gear and die. I thought i fixed it but that fix somehow got broken, and then i got caught up in fusion and feature freeze and such. I am actively working towards bringing back plasmamen.

I have an idea - bring back fusion, but it only works if you have have a bucklecuffed straight-jacketed muzzled plasmamen in the middle of the fusion chamber for the reaction to happen.

While wearing a cakehat, of course.

Cant you just disable nukeops for plasmaman and tell people its bugged and youre actively working on it but in reality you aren't, sounds good right?

I would rather make plasmamen ineligible for nuke ops than remove them entirely. Besides, they would be a liability for the whole team.

Luke Cox wrote:I would rather make plasmamen ineligible for nuke ops than remove them entirely

This

Honestly, no nuke ops for them seems like the best option.

VincVsVincent wrote:Cant you just disable nukeops for plasmaman and tell people its bugged and youre actively working on it but in reality you aren't, sounds good right?

Nuke op plasmamen are forced to be humans (as is any other race with the 'unsafe' flag. However this is only plasmamemes for now).

neersighted wrote:

VincVsVincent wrote:Cant you just disable nukeops for plasmaman and tell people its bugged and youre actively working on it but in reality you aren't, sounds good right?

Nuke op plasmamen are forced to be humans (as is any other race with the 'unsafe' flag. However this is only plasmamemes for now).

So there's basicly no reason to not add them?

Disqualify them from wizard or ops. Both of those are one-person or small group antags that monopolize the round, so you can't afford to have one member gimped. Otherwise, there are no problems with plasmamen

i for one got sick of the "muh race! i'm different race than u! le race war xD" mindset the third day after lizards came out because it made the server redundant and boring as shit and am not looking forward to Racism 2: Struggle of the Plasmemes.

my plasmaman is named Krypton Thirty-Six, his hobbies include wheezing and making bad chemistry jokes.

PKPenguin321 wrote:i for one got sick of the "muh race! i'm different race than u! le race war xD" mindset the third day after lizards came out because it made the server redundant and boring as shit and am not looking forward to Racism 2: Struggle of the Plasmemes.

Plasmamen are a pretty different case than lizards. Unlike lizards, there was a clear intent behind their design, which was to function as a "hardmode" race. Playing one is actually a pretty fun challenge.

posting to agree that pmen should be brought back and either reworked or removed from previously discussed round types

Luke Cox wrote:

PKPenguin321 wrote:i for one got sick of the "muh race! i'm different race than u! le race war xD" mindset the third day after lizards came out because it made the server redundant and boring as shit and am not looking forward to Racism 2: Struggle of the Plasmemes.

Plasmamen are a pretty different case than lizards. Unlike lizards, there was a clear intent behind their design, which was to function as a "hardmode" race. Playing one is actually a pretty fun challenge.

Well put. It's not just "hmm, what can we add that's vaguely sci-fi", it's a proper gameplay proposition.

So, anybody from coderbus here willing to re-add them and make them ineligible for nuke ops and wizard? This seems pretty unanimous.

Luke Cox wrote:So, anybody from coderbus here willing to re-add them and make them ineligible for nuke ops and wizard? This seems pretty unanimous.

They're already ineligible for nuke ops (I don't know about wizard)- they're still in the code, the change to enable them would be done in the server config, not the codebase. IE, talk to MSO or a headmin.

Cheimon wrote:

Luke Cox wrote:

PKPenguin321 wrote:i for one got sick of the "muh race! i'm different race than u! le race war xD" mindset the third day after lizards came out because it made the server redundant and boring as shit and am not looking forward to Racism 2: Struggle of the Plasmemes.

Plasmamen are a pretty different case than lizards. Unlike lizards, there was a clear intent behind their design, which was to function as a "hardmode" race. Playing one is actually a pretty fun challenge.

Well put. It's not just "hmm, what can we add that's vaguely sci-fi", it's a proper gameplay proposition.

while true, this doesn't invalidate the "le racism" that will happen anyways
when they were enabled for a bit a while back i saw at least two rounds where plasmamen were declared illegal and to be killed on sight by the captain

PKPenguin321 wrote:

Cheimon wrote:

Luke Cox wrote:

PKPenguin321 wrote:i for one got sick of the "muh race! i'm different race than u! le race war xD" mindset the third day after lizards came out because it made the server redundant and boring as shit and am not looking forward to Racism 2: Struggle of the Plasmemes.

Plasmamen are a pretty different case than lizards. Unlike lizards, there was a clear intent behind their design, which was to function as a "hardmode" race. Playing one is actually a pretty fun challenge.

Well put. It's not just "hmm, what can we add that's vaguely sci-fi", it's a proper gameplay proposition.

while true, this doesn't invalidate the "le racism" that will happen anyways
when they were enabled for a bit a while back i saw at least two rounds where plasmamen were declared illegal and to be killed on sight by the captain

Then adminhelp shit like that. You aren't allowed to do that to lizards, you can't do it to plasmamen either. People breaking the rules is no reason to gut a feature.

PKPenguin321 wrote:

Cheimon wrote:

Luke Cox wrote:

PKPenguin321 wrote:i for one got sick of the "muh race! i'm different race than u! le race war xD" mindset the third day after lizards came out because it made the server redundant and boring as shit and am not looking forward to Racism 2: Struggle of the Plasmemes.

Plasmamen are a pretty different case than lizards. Unlike lizards, there was a clear intent behind their design, which was to function as a "hardmode" race. Playing one is actually a pretty fun challenge.

Well put. It's not just "hmm, what can we add that's vaguely sci-fi", it's a proper gameplay proposition.

while true, this doesn't invalidate the "le racism" that will happen anyways
when they were enabled for a bit a while back i saw at least two rounds where plasmamen were declared illegal and to be killed on sight by the captain

The captain's executing his own crew? I think nanotrasen would be interested to hear that, and fire the captain.

you'd think that

IC-wise, it makes more sense for people to be fearful and distrustful of plasmamen, since they're so creepy looking and dangerous. Regardless, there is zero reason for them to not be re-enabled.

as far as I'm aware this is entirely a config issue

HG turned them off, so you probably need to bug the headmins to have them turned back on.

Why did he do it? Who the fuck knows maybe he was on his period.

They were super unbalanced tbh. Plasmamen were very very overpowered for antag use because if they ever got ahold of a dead plasmaman, they could strip him and carry around an infinite firestack death machine that they were immune to because of their auto-extinguishing jumpsuits.

make dead plasmamen crumble to ash

problemsolved

That is a pretty good idea actually, they already cannot be cloned. Although this means they cannot be defibbed either

Well they're not uncloneable, they're just a pain in the ass to clone do to them being on fire in the clone pod. You can defib them under a cold shower with a cryoxodane injection and it'll heal all their damage cellular damage and keep them extinguished.

Crumbling to ash on death is a no-brainer. Seriously, can we please get somebody from coderbus to take the 5 minutes required to do this so we can re-enable plasmamen?

THE LEAKING BUG WAS FIXED. Jordie, babycakes please reactivate them

No excuses now, badmins

Luke Cox wrote:No excuses now, badmins

except that i still think they're a bad influence on the game, and no theory crafting will overcome that

PKPenguin321 wrote:

Luke Cox wrote:No excuses now, badmins

except that i still think they're a bad influence on the game, and no theory crafting will overcome that

Elaborate

PKPenguin321 wrote:i for one got sick of the "muh race! i'm different race than u! le race war xD" mindset the third day after lizards came out because it made the server redundant and boring as shit and am not looking forward to Racism 2: Struggle of the Plasmemes.

just an FYI this happened in the brief time we had them on the server we had before, im not pulling this out of my ass

If plasmamen were just another snowflake race I would agree, but they're a real gameplay addition. Snowflaking with them is difficult since they all look identical, and they're objectively a pain in the ass to play. It's a fun challenge imo.

After, my recent talk with loller. The only problem at this pointis the nuke ops, and wizard round deactivation bug for them.

Luke Cox wrote:If plasmamen were just another snowflake race I would agree, but they're a real gameplay addition. Snowflaking with them is difficult since they all look identical, and they're objectively a pain in the ass to play. It's a fun challenge imo.

I don't know what you're not getting here. I understand that they can be fun and difficult to play, and that they're a real gameplay addition, but an IC spaceman won't say "Oh, I won't do le funny racism xD meme today, these are a real gameplay addition." No, there will be shitty rounds with shitty race wars, and there will be a lot of them, and if anything it may just as well be even worse than the lizard ones considering plasmamen have legitimate differences from humans. And yes, you CAN snowflake as a plasmaman, although I don't think that's a reason to not add them (at least it's more interesting than the 30th "Has-the-Sex" lizard snowflake).

BUMP DIS SHIT

They're already in, probably for good. Not sure what else there is to discuss on them.

PKPenguin321 wrote:

Luke Cox wrote:If plasmamen were just another snowflake race I would agree, but they're a real gameplay addition. Snowflaking with them is difficult since they all look identical, and they're objectively a pain in the ass to play. It's a fun challenge imo.

I don't know what you're not getting here. I understand that they can be fun and difficult to play, and that they're a real gameplay addition, but an IC spaceman won't say "Oh, I won't do le funny racism xD meme today, these are a real gameplay addition." No, there will be shitty rounds with shitty race wars, and there will be a lot of them, and if anything it may just as well be even worse than the lizard ones considering plasmamen have legitimate differences from humans. And yes, you CAN snowflake as a plasmaman, although I don't think that's a reason to not add them (at least it's more interesting than the 30th "Has-the-Sex" lizard snowflake).

"This content is fun and good- but players violate the rules and do stuff that make me mad"

I mean- yeah that's basically a given; no different than any other content addition. It really just means rule 1 needs to be enforced more in a more draconian manner. People who scream valids and go around murdering productive crew because they can on a technicality shouldn't be welcome here.