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Fighting meta with meta

Postby Atlanta-Ned » Wed Aug 24, 2016 5:28 pm #205976

Right now, the gamemode is too easy to determine, thanks to a few tells (clockwork slab? clockcult! tome? bloodcult! They resisted the implant?! it's revs! etc etc etc). This needs to change because it sucks and detracts from the game's appeal of being a paranoia-inducing panic fest.

Address the issue by providing decoy packages to antags in most gamemodes. This would be a very cheap(1tc) box filled with useless gear from a different game mode. You could randomly get a box full of:

- Clockwork gear
- Blood cult robes, tomes, construct shells, etc
- "Disabled" nuke op gear; a replica (non-functional) red space suit, an empty op radio, shell casings
- Suspicious devices in a multitude of colors, spray cans, more shell casings

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Re: Fighting meta with meta

Postby Lumbermancer » Wed Aug 24, 2016 5:38 pm #205978

If you got seen using tome or slab, or caught early, then it's your damn fault. Hugbox.
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Re: Fighting meta with meta

Postby TribeOfBeavers » Wed Aug 24, 2016 5:47 pm #205981

Its an interesting idea. Even if they end up rarely being used, the fact that they exist would still cause people to potentially doubt what they found or saw.

Could also be used as traitor chaplain to trick security into trusting you if they think there is a cult.

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Re: Fighting meta with meta

Postby Atlanta-Ned » Wed Aug 24, 2016 6:07 pm #205985

TribeOfBeavers wrote:Its an interesting idea. Even if they end up rarely being used, the fact that they exist would still cause people to potentially doubt what they found or saw.

Could also be used as traitor chaplain to trick security into trusting you if they think there is a cult.


Yessssss I hadn't even thought about that but it's perfect. Keeping the cost down is important though. Even if no one ever buys them, it increases the chance of one (or several >.>) spawning in a surplus gear crate.
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### ListVarEdit by Atlanta-ned: /datum/reagents reagent_list: Water=/obj/item/weapon/gun/energy/alien
IcePacks wrote:>all you have is a taser and the cold realization that you're a haphazard bandaid over a problem that may or may not exist, applied by someone who doesn't know or care enough about their job to do it properly

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Re: Fighting meta with meta

Postby MrEousTranger » Wed Aug 24, 2016 6:15 pm #205987

> buys 4 nuke ops fakes
> leave them outside airlock
> scream you found ops gear and that its stealth ops
> get let into armory to get anti nuke gear
> steal your item kill the target
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Re: Fighting meta with meta

Postby EndgamerAzari » Wed Aug 24, 2016 6:24 pm #205991

This is the kind of meta-subterfuge we should be encouraging.
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Re: Fighting meta with meta

Postby TechnoAlchemist » Wed Aug 24, 2016 8:44 pm #206010

""datum antags"" was supposed to fix it but anyone who works on it is cursed to never finish it

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Re: Fighting meta with meta

Postby PKPenguin321 » Wed Aug 24, 2016 9:50 pm #206028

this is why we have some items or features called "metabreakers"
giving syndie hardsuits and belts to regular traitors was a metabreaker
being able to emag the library computer for a tome is a metabreaker
etc
the problem with this is that eventually the metabreaker becomes the meta, so when people find a tome in the library, often their first reaction is going to be "oh, it's traitor"
code keeping up with ingame meta is difficult
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Re: Fighting meta with meta

Postby Anonmare » Wed Aug 24, 2016 10:32 pm #206036

That's why you double bluff PK. Like leaving the tome in the library for anyone to find as a genuine cultist. Or you can triple bluff by leaving the tome in the library and randomly stunning, cable tieing and EMP flashing random people to confuse the meta anymore.
Though, that stops working when the other traitors whip out their e-sword and start flopping it around the bar.
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Re: Fighting meta with meta

Postby Cobby » Fri Aug 26, 2016 1:21 am #206304

Make more fake antag gear come out of the arcade machines instead of putting it behind the elusive TC paywall that only affects 2 gamemodes.
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Re: Fighting meta with meta

Postby Luke Cox » Fri Aug 26, 2016 1:25 am #206305

EndgamerAzari wrote:This is the kind of meta-subterfuge we should be encouraging.

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Re: Fighting meta with meta

Postby Helios » Fri Aug 26, 2016 2:00 am #206311

ExcessiveCobblestone wrote:Make more fake antag gear come out of the arcade machines instead of putting it behind the elusive TC paywall that only affects 2 gamemodes.

What about a source of aanti meta gear, along the lines of old revolutionaries? All they would have is flashes, which one job actually carried around, Roboticists.
Why not turn the reskins used by antags, into items people carry around?

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Re: Fighting meta with meta

Postby Shaps-cloud » Fri Aug 26, 2016 2:40 am #206322

ExcessiveCobblestone wrote:Make more fake antag gear come out of the arcade machines instead of putting it behind the elusive TC paywall that only affects 2 gamemodes.

This is the correct and most fun response
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Re: Fighting meta with meta

Postby ShadowDimentio » Fri Aug 26, 2016 2:47 am #206329

I'm down for more toy gear because any other implementation is retarded
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Re: Fighting meta with meta

Postby Bombadil » Fri Aug 26, 2016 2:56 am #206332

Toy narsie robes. Toy ratvar robes. Toy clockwork slab and toy tomes. Toy chameleon huds
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Re: Fighting meta with meta

Postby cocothegogo » Fri Aug 26, 2016 2:18 pm #206404

change the gangs pen to a flash
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Re: Fighting meta with meta

Postby Cobby » Fri Aug 26, 2016 2:33 pm #206406

Helios wrote:
ExcessiveCobblestone wrote:Make more fake antag gear come out of the arcade machines instead of putting it behind the elusive TC paywall that only affects 2 gamemodes.

What about a source of aanti meta gear, along the lines of old revolutionaries? All they would have is flashes, which one job actually carried around, Roboticists.
Why not turn the reskins used by antags, into items people carry around?


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Re: Fighting meta with meta

Postby Atlanta-Ned » Fri Aug 26, 2016 3:15 pm #206415

ExcessiveCobblestone wrote:Make more fake antag gear come out of the arcade machines instead of putting it behind the elusive TC paywall that only affects 2 gamemodes.


That's another excellent idea. I'm also advocating for these boxes of gear to be obtainable in cult/gang for similarly low costs. Also a wizard spell that does the same thing, but silently spams crap into people's bags/pockets (except sec/heads).
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Re: Fighting meta with meta

Postby EndgamerAzari » Fri Aug 26, 2016 3:38 pm #206420

Atlanta-Ned wrote: Also a wizard spell that does the same thing, but silently spams crap into people's bags/pockets (except sec/heads).


That's a great idea; a 'Frame' spell. The invocation could be TWA'ZINT'MI.
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Re: Fighting meta with meta

Postby Screemonster » Tue Aug 30, 2016 1:15 pm #207353

EndgamerAzari wrote:
Atlanta-Ned wrote: Also a wizard spell that does the same thing, but silently spams crap into people's bags/pockets (except sec/heads).


That's a great idea; a 'Frame' spell. The invocation could be TWA'ZINT'MI.

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