Sec + Heads of staff can't use traitor gear.

[Jzoid]

Don't you just hate it once you have this WHOLE tech group on Science that gets unused despite giving some of the best stuff, yet they don't get used because security steals the traitor gear for theirselves.
Well no longer.
Simply make it so any body with an implant can't use UPLINK BOUGHT traitor gear.
This way you won't have the HoS running around duel esword in hand with a syndicate elite hardsuit.

[Falamazeer]

Security stealing traitor gear for themselves you say?
Well I can't say for others, I don't personally use tator tot gear because someone might mistake me for said tator tot, but I do see what you mean.

Better solution, put a deconstructive analyzer thingy-mabob in security, that way security has a legitimate way to process the items, rather than just an easily broken into evidence lockup to huck it in.

Won't stop the people who are gonna run around with it anyways, but at least you'll have something to point out to them when they do it anyways. besides, I sincerely doubt anyone is gonna implement this as you've presented it.

Edit: this at least solves the fact that the syndicate research items never get to research

[Jzoid]

If they won't go to science to decon, they won't decon even with one in their place.
They'll always use the stuff for themselves whilst they have the chance.

[Falamazeer]

If they won't go to science to decon, they won't decon even with one in their place.

Not true, I'm not comfortable handing traitor tech to anyone who isn't a head, or more specifically, my head. I don't hand gear to scientists because some scientists will use it on me, and even if there was only a ten percent chance they'll pick the ebow off the table and shoot me with it, it's too high of a risk for something I will very likely not benefit from anyways.

They'll always use the stuff for themselves whilst they have the chance.

Same could be said for the scientist, or anyone really, people help themselves to the good shit when they can. Even if your idea went through as you wanted it, you'd likely just use the research to make yourself something wicked awesome and that'd be the end of it. And even if it wasn't, printing up 20 or thirty wicked awesome things and distributing them to the crew causes more sec trouble, because even if there was only 10% of the crew that would use that wicked cool shit on security, it's a risk not worth taking for something security will very likely not benefit from it anyways.

but if you put a deconstructive analyzer into the evidence locker and allow sec to sync to the server with it, maybe just maybe 10% of security will use it even though they will very likely not benefit from it anyways.

[Falamazeer]

Oh look
https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=8533

Your original title for this thread "Anti Fagotry checker" kinda proves the point I'm making about it not being a good idea for security to happily hand over traitor gear for you to either use for yourself, or use to print out shit for yourself to then enact your obviously unloving security tendencies out against us.

I think I'd rather just continue to see a dual e-sword wielding HoS

[John_Oxford]

>disarm a guy who just killed half of sec with a esword as hos
>pick up his esword
>it explodes in your face or goes "cyka blyat cannot into use is evil gear you good guy"

kindly fuck off

also almost 100% positive this is "hos disarmed me pls nerf security"

[CPTANT]

It's extremely lame, I am against all such implant restrictions actually. If you don't want stuff turned against you you shouldn't loose it in the first place.

[BeeSting12]

I think you're salty that I got your dual esword and proceeded to use it in my pursuit of justice for the rest of the round.

[Reece]

Wait is this about the round where the dual e-sword nutter was lurking in maint and I got cucked by own atmos nade?

[ShadowDimentio]

Security using traitor gear is shamefru, but doesn't need rules forbidding it.

[BeeSting12]

Wait is this about the round where the dual e-sword nutter was lurking in maint and I got cucked by own atmos nade?

I think it's the one where I dunked her with my det revolver and used the dual esword to stop crime the rest of the round.

[Jzoid]

>disarm a guy who just killed half of sec with a esword as hos
>pick up his esword
>it explodes in your face or goes "cyka blyat cannot into use is evil gear you good guy"

kindly fuck off

also almost 100% positive this is "hos disarmed me pls nerf security"

Not exploding, just not able to be used
Also
I'm not complaining about me being killed by them, I'm complaining about the fact that there's a whole tech tree not used
AND
stunsticks can kill just as well

[Owegno]

Traitor gear is one of the rewards for being good at security. Doubly so if you got it from convincing a traitor you arrested to give you his uplink code in exchange for good treatment.

[John_Oxford]

>disarm a guy who just killed half of sec with a esword as hos
>pick up his esword
>it explodes in your face or goes "cyka blyat cannot into use is evil gear you good guy"

kindly fuck off

also almost 100% positive this is "hos disarmed me pls nerf security"

Not exploding, just not able to be used
Also
I'm not complaining about me being killed by them, I'm complaining about the fact that there's a whole tech tree not used
AND
stunsticks can kill just as well

the tech tree gets used when traitors go to research
nerf traitors if you dont like it so much.

stun sticks don't have the killing power of a dual esword

kindly fuck off #2

[Incomptinence]

Stun batons used to be better when harm intent stunned without charge, that was funny as hell. Like squat on nine guys and beat em all to death.

[kevinz000]

For once I agree with Oxford.
Kindly fuck off, security doesn't need your nerf ideas.

[TechnoAlchemist]

This also invalidates the non-lethal option of trading heads traitor gear in exchange for high value items

[kevinz000]

This also invalidates the non-lethal option of trading heads traitor gear in exchange for high value items

yeah this will rp dont do it

[Davidchan]

Just make loyalty implants prevent the use of using certain high end tator gear like emags, eswords or revolvers? Smaller stuff would be fine but allowing security to use tator level gear is hilariously hypocritical and overpowered.

[Archie700]

>sec should not use what they captured from evil traitors to hunt other traitors
>but science should use it to make shit like freedom implants and guns

I don't get why you want syndicate bought gear restricted just to make science.

[Incomptinence]

The title of this suggestion also includes heads of staff that can be traitors with no caveat to except them.

[Davidchan]

@Archie700 it comes down more to how Security will use the possession of contraband or syndicate items as an excuse to execute someone without a second question but feels 0 obligation to enforce any such law or policy upon themselves. It's your typical security double standard.

[Lumbermancer]

Maybe you should be HoS and try to enforce this rule? It was done before.

[John_Oxford]

speaking as someone who plays security alot.

in the autistic, other universe where this becomes a thing

im removing my implant at round start, as a constant reminder of my avid "fuck you"'s to give.

[Lumbermancer]

Then straight into perma with you.

[Shaps-cloud]

imagine being mad that as scientist you can't get access to every single dumb overpowered item every round and trying to further monopolize the use of fun items

[Owegno]

@Archie700 it comes down more to how Security will use the possession of contraband or syndicate items as an excuse to execute someone without a second question but feels 0 obligation to enforce any such law or policy upon themselves. It's your typical security double standard.

So do you think that security shouldn't have guns then? I tend to treat people who have guns without permission the same as someone with an emag.

[Slettal]

I have a suggestion: Sec+heads are unable to use traitor gear and in turn, scientiests are unable to use any gear that comes out of the protolathe or the exosuit fabricator.

The heads+sec are motivated to donate stuff to science and science is motivated to actually share their toys with the rest of the station. Everybody wins

[Wyzack]

> someone other than op seriously considering this idea

Poor form, shit idea. I am actually astounded that someone seriously thinks science does not have enough cool stuff

[DemonFiren]