Remove HoP Antagonist

[BeeSting12]

HoP antagonist doesn't seem like a good idea to me for several reasons-

• Roundstart all access. Like playing captain traitor, except you have to take five extra seconds to upgrade your ID.
• Tends to promote playing the job for antagonist. People may play the job for antagonist, and not do well at it when not an antagonist.
• Too much trust is placed in the role. It's common to see HoPs running in departments that aren't theirs like they own the place, and you often get called shitcurity or even mutinied against for arresting them there.
• Discourages people from ahelping clearly shit actions due to the possibility of the HoP being an antagonist. HoPs should be held to standards, and oftentimes they aren't enforced due to nobody ahelping when they see HoPs acting terrible.
• The second inline to be captain should not be able to get antagonist. How does that even make sense?
• Is not challenging at all. Seriously, it's supereasy, especially for steal objectives. Even for the kill objectives, you have a roundstart energy gun and telebaton, and noone will bat an eye if they see a HoP kill someone unless someone sees traitor items pulled out.

Anyway, I probably didn't express myself that well here but what I'm trying to say is that HoP antagonist is a bad idea for many reasons, and shouldn't be a thing.

[Sweets]

This must be a Bagil issue, because I can assure you HoPs have one of the highest antag failure rates on Sybil.

1. All access doesnt mean a damn thing when greytiders/clown/mime/Chaplain have stolen caps spare or broken in everywhere.
2. Wardens and sec officers regularly assaulting HoPs for stepping in the armory/equipment rooms.
3. Other antagonists/greytiders seeing a lone HoP wandering around and jumping on him like a loot pinata
4. Cuban Peter/Loves-The-Ashdrakes/other chaos causing figures usually getting HOp killed in a crossfire.
5. Almost every HoP player is inrobust as fuck.

[Atlanta-Ned]

Who hurt you

[BeeSting12]

Who hurt you

I haven't been killed by a HoP in recent memory. Just seemed pretty stupid that a head of staff gets roundstart all access and antagonist.

This must be a Bagil issue, because I can assure you HoPs have one of the highest antag failure rates on Sybil.

1. All access doesnt mean a damn thing when greytiders/clown/mime/Chaplain have stolen caps spare or broken in everywhere.
2. Wardens and sec officers regularly assaulting HoPs for stepping in the armory/equipment rooms.
3. Other antagonists/greytiders seeing a lone HoP wandering around and jumping on him like a loot pinata
4. Cuban Peter/Loves-The-Ashdrakes/other chaos causing figures usually getting HOp killed in a crossfire.
5. Almost every HoP player is inrobust as fuck.

1- They'll get arrested for it, the HoP won't unless he trespasses in security
2- Security will usually stop the HoP from getting the armory, yes. That's pretty much the only area I see HoPs get stopped at.
3- Happens when the HoP is a nonantagonist too, not really an arguement as this can happen with any job.
4- This can happen with anyone.
5- Can't argue with that.

[Shaps-cloud]

Paranoia is dead

[calzilla1]

Paranoia is dead

Only

[darkpaladin109]

5. Almost every HoP player is inrobust as fuck.

Occasional HoP player, can confirm unrobustitude.

[OhChildflayer]

First thing I do as traitor HoP is remove all of the Sec, Warden, and Detective jobs. Then give all access to anyone who wants it as I keep closing job slots for everything but Clown and Mime. Sit back and enjoy the tide coming in.

Also, can confirm: Least Robust 2016 here.

[Armhulen]

I support the removal of hoptagonist

[D&B]

It never made much sense that the same person that's second in line to be captain, and that is supposed to manage service and cargo is not considered a head for rev and traitor purposes.

[TribeOfBeavers]

It never made much sense that the same person that's second in line to be captain, and that is supposed to manage service and cargo is not considered a head for rev and traitor purposes.

What do you mean? Revs have to kill the HoP and all heads except HoS and Captain can currently be traitors.

[BeeSting12]

Yeah, that was part of my thinking for removing HoP antagonist. The other heads are okay, I guess, but the HoS and HoP are traditionally next to be captain, and shouldn't be antagonist because of it.

[D&B]

It never made much sense that the same person that's second in line to be captain, and that is supposed to manage service and cargo is not considered a head for rev and traitor purposes.

What do you mean? Revs have to kill the HoP and all heads except HoS and Captain can currently be traitors.

Do HoPs count as a head of staff?

Last time I played they didn't spawn with a loyalty implant, and thus they could be converted or more conveniently killed.

[BeeSting12]

It never made much sense that the same person that's second in line to be captain, and that is supposed to manage service and cargo is not considered a head for rev and traitor purposes.

What do you mean? Revs have to kill the HoP and all heads except HoS and Captain can currently be traitors.

Do HoPs count as a head of staff?

Last time I played they didn't spawn with a loyalty implant, and thus they could be converted or more conveniently killed.

They do, but they can still be converted into gangs or cult. They don't have a mindshield implant, the only heads that do are the HoS and captain. This idea is proposing that HoPs either not get traitor or get a roundstart mindshield implant, or both.

[Weepo]

I'm for it, fuck HoPs and HoP-Cops