[POLL] Hotkey/No Hotkey

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What control method do you use?

Hotkeys (WASD etc)
21
11%
Hotkeys (WASD etc)
21
11%
Hotkeys (WASD etc)
21
11%
No Hotkeys (Arrow Keys)
33
17%
No Hotkeys (Arrow Keys)
33
17%
No Hotkeys (Arrow Keys)
33
17%
Combination of both
7
4%
Combination of both
7
4%
Combination of both
7
4%
Other (comment below)
2
1%
Other (comment below)
2
1%
Other (comment below)
2
1%
 
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[POLL] Hotkey/No Hotkey

Post by peoplearestrange » #1157

So purely out of curiosity how many of you use hotkeys (and therefore WASD) and how many of you use the ol' arrow key method?
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Re: Hotkey/No Hotkey

Post by Munchlax » #1159

You have a slight advantage with hotkeys so I use them.
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Post by Psyentific » #1165

Hotkeys are for fucking plebians. No Hotkeys allows you to fast-type, and the primary benefits of hotkeys are available through non-hotkeys with the PgUp/Insert keygroup.
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Re: Hotkey/No Hotkey

Post by Neerti » #1167

I use WASD and quickly press tab to change to normal, type say then what I want to say, enter, then chance back. I can do it without even thinking about it.
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Post by Myroc » #1169

I use hotkeys to the extent that I sometimes forget that the option to play without them exists.
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Post by fleure » #1177

Arrow keys. Never bothered to learn the keys.
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Post by Apsis » #1179

I use hotkeys, but I sometimes use arrow keys while I'm observing a round. I rarely have a need to type when I'm moving anyway.
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Re: Hotkey/No Hotkey

Post by Gadd » #1190

Hotkeys make you more robust.
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Re: Hotkey/No Hotkey

Post by TheTerbs » #1201

master race of arrow keys + delete, home, end, pg up, pg dwn and still be able to type on the fly

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Re: Hotkey/No Hotkey

Post by oranges » #1219

You know you can use wasd

and press t to talk?

If you're not a shit typer you are just as fast.
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Re: Hotkey/No Hotkey

Post by Jalleo » #1221

I cant get into the hotkeys by the time I even found out about em I was dead set into arrow keys. ( I actually freaked because I got confused by accidently turning on the hotkeys which is how I found out about em )
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Re: Hotkey/No Hotkey

Post by WeeYakk » #1227

TheTerbs wrote:master race of arrow keys + delete, home, end, pg up, pg dwn and still be able to type on the fly

all others a shit
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Re: Hotkey/No Hotkey

Post by peoplearestrange » #1242

Jalleo wrote:I cant get into the hotkeys by the time I even found out about em I was dead set into arrow keys. ( I actually freaked because I got confused by accidently turning on the hotkeys which is how I found out about em )
I have pretty much the exact same story... "AHHH IM MOVING AND I NEED TO TYPE!"
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Re: Hotkey/No Hotkey

Post by Aurx » #1281

I've memorized most of the auto-complete shortcuts for admin commands and in-game verbs, so it's more efficient for me to use normal mode. It's like having every button in every tab available within half a dozen keystrokes.
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Post by Psyentific » #1287

Aurx wrote:I've memorized most of the auto-complete shortcuts for admin commands and in-game verbs, so it's more efficient for me to use normal mode. It's like having every button in every tab available within half a dozen keystrokes.
This. sa -> say, sui -> Suit sensors, but also Rotate. Half my robustness comes from my hotkeys and shortcuts.
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Re: Hotkey/No Hotkey

Post by Alex Crimson » #1303

Used to use Arrow Keys + mouse in left hand for all my games. Since Xmas i got a mouse that is shaped for right-handers, ive had to switch to WASD. Its pretty annoying. Ive had to stop playing most online games because i suck as using WASD + right hand for mouse movement.
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Post by Psyentific » #1305

Are you some kind of left-handed plebian?
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Post by Alex Crimson » #1310

Yes, yes i am. The shame.
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Post by Vekter » #1313

Hot keys make you more robust.

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Post by fleure » #1334

I'm left handed and use arrow keys with mouse in my left for over a decade, now. Always worked fine for me.
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Post by Alex Crimson » #1337

fleure wrote:I'm left handed and use arrow keys with mouse in my left for over a decade, now. Always worked fine for me.
Until you play other games that do not support the use of arrow keys. Such a pain.
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Post by Rockdtben » #1352

I use arrows with the Insert,Home,Pgup,Pgdown,End,del hotkeys. Along with shift alt ctrl.
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Post by Scott » #1354

The hotkeys are a bit shit. WASD to move and then you have hand controls on ZXC, it's a mess. I tried to make the change but it's just not good.
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Post by Alex Crimson » #1363

I fail to see the issue with WASD hotkeys. Why would anyone call them shit? WASD are the most popular keys for movement after all. I mean id like to see fully rebindable keys, if they are not already, but that is it.
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Post by Psyentific » #1372

Alex Crimson wrote:I fail to see the issue with WASD hotkeys. Why would anyone call them shit? WASD are the most popular keys for movement after all. I mean id like to see fully rebindable keys, if they are not already, but that is it.
My issue is that it defaults all keyboard input to the interface, rather than the command line. Without switching out of hotkey mode, I cannot quickly access Say, OOC, A-Help, Suit Sensors, or any of the other myriad commands. Hotkey mode is great for robusting, but bad if you actually need to do something else. For me, it's just not worth the utility.
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Post by Gadd » #1375

Psyentific wrote:
Alex Crimson wrote:I fail to see the issue with WASD hotkeys. Why would anyone call them shit? WASD are the most popular keys for movement after all. I mean id like to see fully rebindable keys, if they are not already, but that is it.
My issue is that it defaults all keyboard input to the interface, rather than the command line. Without switching out of hotkey mode, I cannot quickly access Say, OOC, A-Help, Suit Sensors, or any of the other myriad commands. Hotkey mode is great for robusting, but bad if you actually need to do something else. For me, it's just not worth the utility.

Isn't that what the right side of the screen with all the verbs for?
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Post by Psyentific » #1378

Exactly - If you need to mouse-over to the right, click through tabs, then find the verb? That's a bunch of time someone could use to dunk you, or a bunch of time you could already be done and doing something else in. It's less efficient if you can just type the command in or let autocomplete handle it. Imagine if you had to do that every time you needed to Say something.

Exactly This is the reason it's Silence Sting then Parasting, not Parasting then Silence Sting - Because in the time between landing the Parasting and popping a Silence Sting, I can have sa ; HELP LING BRIDGE out and use Ctrl-Up to send it out five more times. I can't do that in Hotkey mode.
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Post by Gadd » #1384

Psyentific wrote:Exactly - If you need to mouse-over to the right, click through tabs, then find the verb? That's a bunch of time someone could use to dunk you, or a bunch of time you could already be done and doing something else in. It's less efficient if you can just type the command in or let autocomplete handle it. Imagine if you had to do that every time you needed to Say something.

Exactly This is the reason it's Silence Sting then Parasting, not Parasting then Silence Sting - Because in the time between landing the Parasting and popping a Silence Sting, I can have sa ; HELP LING BRIDGE out and use Ctrl-Up to send it out five more times. I can't do that in Hotkey mode.
You can. Press T. ;HELP LING BRIDGE.
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Post by Psyentific » #1386

Doesn't that pop up a dialogue box, though? In the middle of the screen, obscuring something important?
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Post by Munchlax » #1417

The pop-upbox isn't that obnoxiously big.
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Post by Psyentific » #1420

But it still blocks your character and whatever might be immediately next to you, right?
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Post by Giacom » #1441

or just quickly press TAB, talk and then TAB again.
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Post by oranges » #1515

Yeah, tab lets you switch modes so you can use ur special verbs and then back into wasd for that proscoping 3260 dunking
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Post by Gadd » #1594

Psyentific wrote:Doesn't that pop up a dialogue box, though? In the middle of the screen, obscuring something important?
You must have a small monitor.
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Post by Giacom » #1595

I tried to make it so that you could press T to temporarily get focus on the input bar but BYOND has no good way to detect when a user types a command, so I can then have it revert back to the game.
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Post by paprika » #3438

Hotkeys are incredibly robust and I have yet to find a player that is actually robust that doesn't use them.
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Re: [POLL] Hotkey/No Hotkey

Post by Anton Raginovsky » #3440

Well, I for one just learned that there was even another option in the first place. I play on a Laptop mostly. No mouse. Hotkeys seem like they're going to be a real advantage...as soon as I can figure out what they are and get used to them.
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Post by danno » #3443

I use the WASD hotkeys now, since a few months ago
I used to use no hotkeys because I had a small (and very old) laptop that allowed me to use the trackpad, but still be in very convenient reach of the arrow keys and pdup/pgdn/delete/end/etc.
I find both are very viable
I haven't noticed any HUGE pros/cons or any kind of decrease in my extreme robustness
the only thing I can really say is a slight advantage to no hotkeys (in my situation: closeness to other buttons) is that ability to type say messages/commands while moving, but it wasn't that useful

in summary
both are pretty dang good
I can say for sure that I was very, very robust when I was using no-hotkeys
overall though, hotkeys is probably gonna be better for people though. Unless you're really used to a trackpad.
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Re: [POLL] Hotkey/No Hotkey

Post by JJRcop » #3447

I use arrow keys and CTRL+Hotkey for things when I can.

Have my right hand on the mouse, left on arrows. When I want to use a hotkey, I swap hands momentarily without even thinking about it so my right hand is now on the arrows, I use my left hand for CTRL+Hotkey (CTRL+R for throw, CTRL+X for swap, CTRL+Z for use, etc) then again swap hands after I'm done.

It's what I've gotten used to since I play on a laptop and the pgup pgdwn home end del blah blah blah doesn't work well for me. When I buy a new PC I'll probably still have that habit.
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Post by Miauw » #3469

I can't use hotkeys because I have an AZERTY keyboard.
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Alex Crimson wrote:I fail to see the issue with WASD hotkeys. Why would anyone call them shit? WASD are the most popular keys for movement after all. I mean id like to see fully rebindable keys, if they are not already, but that is it.
My issue is that it defaults all keyboard input to the interface, rather than the command line. Without switching out of hotkey mode, I cannot quickly access Say, OOC, A-Help, Suit Sensors, or any of the other myriad commands. Hotkey mode is great for robusting, but bad if you actually need to do something else. For me, it's just not worth the utility.
How often and pertinent is turning your suit sensors off to warrant it being a downside to hotkeys? OOC and etc. fall under the same category. I genuinely fail to see any actual downsides. Then again you admitted hotkeys are gud for robusting so I can't say I disagree with you. Also you can access say by pressing T in hotkey mode.

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Post by miggles » #4389

how the fuck are there so many plebeians in this community
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Post by paprika » #4452

ss13 should be a point and click adventure
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Re: [POLL] Hotkey/No Hotkey

Post by Stickymayhem » #4453

paprika wrote:ss13 should be a point and click adventure
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