akesson - IC OOC ban MIDROUND as head staff during rev round

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akesson - IC OOC ban MIDROUND as head staff during rev round

Postby J_Madison » Mon Jul 10, 2017 11:48 pm #315728

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Time and Server(Bagil or Sybil) incident occurred: 0027 hours GMT 11/07/17
Detailed summary:
Captain.
Do HOP work.
Walk out of office.
Sam Hyde head rev flashes someone.
Disable and arrest them.
Try to implant.
fails implant
"its revs"
Bwoinked later because no ooc in ic
stealthminning.

everyone does this in basil. this is literally just lexicon. it's simplified.

alright its revolutionaries.
call cargo staff to brig
let sec know it "revolutionaries"
got my first cargo staff reporting in.
"get in son its revs."
go to implant him

MID ROUND. AS A HEAD OF STAFF. IN A REVOLUTION ROUND.
BANNED. 5 MINUTES.

You couldn't wait for it to end dude?
Like mid round man?
Over revs?

come on dude.
Last edited by J_Madison on Mon Jul 10, 2017 11:52 pm, edited 1 time in total.



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Re: akesson - owegno thinnest IC OOC ban MIDROUND as vital s

Postby BeeSting12 » Mon Jul 10, 2017 11:50 pm #315729

At very least you could've replaced him for the duration. It's pretty shit to ban round-important people for saying something that is said regularly anyway.

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Re: akesson - owegno thinnest IC OOC ban MIDROUND as vital s

Postby Owegno » Mon Jul 10, 2017 11:54 pm #315732

Everyone else doing something is not an excuse to do it yourself. What do expect when you get told not to do something and then do it again? Also I did make the ban shorter from the 15 minutes I would normally use and protected you by making sure nobody looted or killed you.

Honestly this is all that I feel needs to be said, being an important role in the round doesn't make you immune to the rules (though in this case it did protect you and lessen your bantime).

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Re: akesson - owegno thinnest IC OOC ban MIDROUND as vital s

Postby J_Madison » Mon Jul 10, 2017 11:55 pm #315733

Owegno wrote:Everyone else doing something is not an excuse to do it yourself. What do expect when you get told not to do something and then do it again? Also I did make the ban shorter from the 15 minutes I would normally use and protected you by making sure nobody looted or killed you.

Honestly this is all that I feel needs to be said, being an important role in the round doesn't make you immune to the rules (though in this case it did protect you and lessen your bantime).

dude I said it twice or three times and you banned me

worst of all you banned when everyone does this. we can pull logs whenever and people say this without getting a ban.

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Re: akesson - IC OOC ban MIDROUND as head staff during rev r

Postby Owegno » Tue Jul 11, 2017 12:00 am #315734

Just because other people get away with something because nobody spots them doesn't mean that what they did wasn't also OOC in IC. If you felt that I was warning you for a rule that didn't exist maybe reply to to the PM instead of being silent.

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Re: akesson - IC OOC ban MIDROUND as head staff during rev r

Postby bandit » Tue Jul 11, 2017 12:09 am #315739

everyone does this in basil. this is literally just lexicon. it's simplified.


If someone does it ahelp it and they will be warned and/or banned. It's not unreasonable to expect people to maintain the barest amount of RP.
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Re: akesson - IC OOC ban MIDROUND as head staff during rev r

Postby danno » Tue Jul 11, 2017 12:16 am #315740

can't really make a complaint for an admin just because they're sticking to a rule you don't agree with
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Re: akesson - IC OOC ban MIDROUND as head staff during rev r

Postby lollerderby » Tue Jul 11, 2017 12:27 am #315742

should have not broken the rules tee bee aych
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Re: akesson - IC OOC ban MIDROUND as head staff during rev r

Postby J_Madison » Tue Jul 11, 2017 12:47 am #315746

Owegno wrote:Just because other people get away with something because nobody spots them doesn't mean that what they did wasn't also OOC in IC. If you felt that I was warning you for a rule that didn't exist maybe reply to to the PM instead of being silent.

I'm middle of rev round deconverting people I didn't have time to respond when I was rping and playing at that time.

it seems your admin ruling is inconsistent

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Re: akesson - IC OOC ban MIDROUND as head staff during rev r

Postby srifenbyxp » Tue Jul 11, 2017 12:56 am #315748

I was in this round, since when are we not allowed to say Revs in game IC? How are we suppose to identify antagonist roles then when people can plainly see that role?

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Re: akesson - IC OOC ban MIDROUND as head staff during rev r

Postby Lazengann » Tue Jul 11, 2017 1:01 am #315750

You get banned for saying "its rev" because that is referencing the game mode but saying "We have revs" is kosher because it's referring to on station events

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Re: akesson - IC OOC ban MIDROUND as head staff during rev r

Postby srifenbyxp » Tue Jul 11, 2017 1:01 am #315751

In short it's not the word it's how you use it. Alright fair enough.

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Re: akesson - IC OOC ban MIDROUND as head staff during rev r

Postby Qbopper » Tue Jul 11, 2017 1:01 am #315752

J_Madison wrote:
Owegno wrote:Just because other people get away with something because nobody spots them doesn't mean that what they did wasn't also OOC in IC. If you felt that I was warning you for a rule that didn't exist maybe reply to to the PM instead of being silent.

I'm middle of rev round deconverting people I didn't have time to respond when I was rping and playing at that time.

it seems your admin ruling is inconsistent


maybe they made a mistake about you not responding but this isn't inconsistent, people have been and will continue to be bwoinked for "it's revs"

for the inevitable "wow admins ban people for saying whats going on????" reply I missed the post above

there's a distinction between

"it's revs" as in "the roundtype is revs", vs

"there are revs" or any variation which is fine IC

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Re: akesson - IC OOC ban MIDROUND as head staff during rev r

Postby J_Madison » Tue Jul 11, 2017 1:14 am #315756

alright in that case I'm gonna ask for a headmin ruling on the revs part because this is unusually inconsistent. it's okay with hosts, headmins, multiple admins, senior admins ect, but here we have a small clique that're punishing.

and it isn't when someone ahelps when it breaks their immersions. I seriously doubt people ahelp for this.


secondly, I want to address the sheer hubris of banning a captain in a rev round for this. Mid round. When I'm doing something.

What, are you gonna ban nukeops for OOC in IC now whilst they're fighting?

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Re: akesson - IC OOC ban MIDROUND as head staff during rev r

Postby Owegno » Tue Jul 11, 2017 1:24 am #315757

I never had any issue with people using revs IC since revolutionary is just a pain in the ass. I banned you for saying "Its [gamemode]" which is against the rules. Of course there would of been no ban had you not done the thing I just told you not to do. Also you weren't fighting, you had just placed a revhead safely in perma and security was on-top of things.
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Re: akesson - IC OOC ban MIDROUND as head staff during rev r

Postby feem » Tue Jul 11, 2017 1:25 am #315758

don't break the rules

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Re: akesson - IC OOC ban MIDROUND as head staff during rev r

Postby J_Madison » Tue Jul 11, 2017 1:26 am #315760

I had recently put a headrev in perma and let them kill themselves honourably.

I was also getting people implanted soon after.

Delegating and preparing a raid on cargo.

And sending officers to help another guy.

And messaging and receiving messages from a miner requesting help, and letting him know to report to the brig.


Please understand that I don't play Head roles like most players. I heavily delegate, manage, and lead them. I may not be the most robust, and I might not do the most busy work but I am 100% ahead of things and thinking all the time. I have 20 things at once. I'm playing to outsmart people.

you might think I was doing nothing, but there's plausible deniability. I can get people to testify that the way I play heads is unique from other "robust and kill" players.

And I had a lot going on. Maybe I forgot. Maybe I was thinking of multiple things at once. But a ban over a maximum of 3-4 "revs"?

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Re: akesson - IC OOC ban MIDROUND as head staff during rev r

Postby feem » Tue Jul 11, 2017 1:43 am #315765

what part of "use of ic-sounding phrases not references to the roundtype" is so hard to understand and follow here

what part of "don't repeatedly do the thing you were just warned not to do after being warned not to do it" is unclear

it was a five minute ban

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Re: akesson - IC OOC ban MIDROUND as head staff during rev r

Postby Owegno » Tue Jul 11, 2017 2:15 am #315795

I talked this through with J_Madision after I realized I had made an initial communication error that made them think I was warning them for the rev part, not the It's X part. In the future if I PM someone for using It's X I fully intend to make it clear what part of what they said there is an issue with. I've also removed the notes involved.

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Re: akesson - IC OOC ban MIDROUND as head staff during rev r

Postby J_Madison » Tue Jul 11, 2017 2:27 am #315805

I'm glad to de-escalate the situation and resolve it with Owegno.

Criticism was given to Owegno on Discord over the matter, and we came to an understanding of the events that occured.

Special thanks to goofball for supporting me and doing extensive logdiving on the matter. I invite him to post what he's found if he wishes to show the evidence that helped resolve this case.
I owe you one buddy.

Please don't lock this thread until everything is settled. There seems to be a debate on languages used ongoing.

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Re: akesson - IC OOC ban MIDROUND as head staff during rev r

Postby PKPenguin321 » Tue Jul 11, 2017 5:32 am #315971

J_Madison wrote:Please don't lock this thread until everything is settled. There seems to be a debate on languages used ongoing.

No, take that to policy discussion.

Not going to action this because you DID break the rules, but I will say the ban should have been a direct warning/note or waited until the head of staff was dead/the round was over, as interrupting a round critical position like that can be disruptive to the game.
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