Compilation of policy discussion rulings

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Compilation of policy discussion rulings

Postby BeeSting12 » Mon Nov 06, 2017 6:35 pm #354382

I'm making a compilation of policy discussion rulings. The format is usually as follows:

[Question about policy/action in question]: [Context if needed] [Ruling which also has link to the post made by the headmin]

It would probably be linked in the rules page so it can be referenced in ban appeals etc

https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Headmin_Rulings

Once I've typed up every ruling in that format, I'll go through and sort them. Silicon/Drone ones are the main things I want to sort out, then OOC conduct, escalation rules, special rules (vampire policy), miscellaneous. Whatever I can think of to make it easier for players to look through it to find answers to policy questions they may have, this will also hopefully reduce duplicate policy discussions since you can reference the ones with a clear ruling on the wiki page.
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DEAD: Rei Ayanami says, "YOU'RE EVERYWHERE WHERE BAD SHIT IS HAPPENING"
DEAD: Rei Ayanami says, "IT'S ALWAYS FUCKING EDWARD SLOAN"
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Re: Compilation of policy discussion rulings

Postby Qbopper » Mon Nov 06, 2017 6:36 pm #354383

Is this going to be a wiki article? We already have one of these in the admin forums but no one else can see it so yeah

edit: article was not linked when i posted
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Re: Compilation of policy discussion rulings

Postby BeeSting12 » Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:02 pm #354396

Yes, it's going to be a wiki article. I linked it near the bottom. The one we have, I believe only shows headmin rulings that are relevant to admins only for the most part. Reading it now, the only post I see that's relevant to players is admin event roles validity and pile on ick ock which is basically telling us if those two things are bannable. This page is meant moreso for the players and would be useful when reading a ban appeal for quick reference to policy decisions by headmins. Or if they have a specific policy question but don't feel like scrolling through eight pages of questions, many of them duplicates/dumb questions/unenforceable.

Things that will not be included:
Duplicates- The most recent ruling will be put down.
Ones with no clear/obvious ruling and are probably unenforceable. Such as literally anything about escalation.
Dumb Questions- Stuff spawned of salt or to meme. Such as Sally didn't look at Annes box...
Edward Sloan, THE LAW
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Spoiler:
OOC: Hunterh98: to be fair sloan is one of the, if not the, most robust folks on tg

DEAD: Schlomo Gaskin says, "sloan may be a faggot but he gets the job done"

DEAD: Rei Ayanami says, "YOU'RE EVERYWHERE WHERE BAD SHIT IS HAPPENING"
DEAD: Rei Ayanami says, "IT'S ALWAYS FUCKING EDWARD SLOAN"
oranges wrote:Bee sting is honestly the nicest admin, I look forward to seeing him as a headmin one day


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Re: Compilation of policy discussion rulings

Postby Armhulen » Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:03 pm #354397

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Re: Compilation of policy discussion rulings

Postby BeeSting12 » Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:04 pm #354398

Ok, I'll add the name of each headmin that made the ruling.
Edward Sloan, THE LAW
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Spoiler:
OOC: Hunterh98: to be fair sloan is one of the, if not the, most robust folks on tg

DEAD: Schlomo Gaskin says, "sloan may be a faggot but he gets the job done"

DEAD: Rei Ayanami says, "YOU'RE EVERYWHERE WHERE BAD SHIT IS HAPPENING"
DEAD: Rei Ayanami says, "IT'S ALWAYS FUCKING EDWARD SLOAN"
oranges wrote:Bee sting is honestly the nicest admin, I look forward to seeing him as a headmin one day


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Re: Compilation of policy discussion rulings

Postby NikNakFlak » Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:24 pm #354445

A page like this used to exist. Last time, the page eventually stopped getting updated and then even worse, became out of date, showing rulings that were changed.

Hopefully this one fairs better
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Re: Compilation of policy discussion rulings

Postby Atlanta-Ned » Mon Nov 06, 2017 9:02 pm #354467

BeeSting12 wrote:I'm making a compilation of policy discussion rulings. The format is usually as follows:

[Question about policy/action in question]: [Context if needed] [Ruling which also has link to the post made by the headmin]

It would probably be linked in the rules page so it can be referenced in ban appeals etc

https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Headmin_Rulings

Once I've typed up every ruling in that format, I'll go through and sort them. Silicon/Drone ones are the main things I want to sort out, then OOC conduct, escalation rules, special rules (vampire policy), miscellaneous. Whatever I can think of to make it easier for players to look through it to find answers to policy questions they may have, this will also hopefully reduce duplicate policy discussions since you can reference the ones with a clear ruling on the wiki page.



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Re: Compilation of policy discussion rulings

Postby BeeSting12 » Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:18 am #354609

Woops, didn't realize you already had one. Ah well. As for what NikNakFlak said, I'll be updating this for the foreseeable future. Basically as long as I can actively admin, I can do this with little difficulty, especially after I'm done catalogging the already made policy discussions.
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Spoiler:
OOC: Hunterh98: to be fair sloan is one of the, if not the, most robust folks on tg

DEAD: Schlomo Gaskin says, "sloan may be a faggot but he gets the job done"

DEAD: Rei Ayanami says, "YOU'RE EVERYWHERE WHERE BAD SHIT IS HAPPENING"
DEAD: Rei Ayanami says, "IT'S ALWAYS FUCKING EDWARD SLOAN"
oranges wrote:Bee sting is honestly the nicest admin, I look forward to seeing him as a headmin one day


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Re: Compilation of policy discussion rulings

Postby CitrusGender » Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:52 am #354638

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Re: Compilation of policy discussion rulings

Postby BeeSting12 » Tue Nov 07, 2017 1:33 am #354642

Special thanks to Repukan for sending me a list of all the silicon policy threads so I can get those done. Also thanks to Qbopper and Atlanta for formatting it. I'm absolute shit at formatting in anything besides google docs, microsoft word, or libre office.
Edward Sloan, THE LAW
Melanie Flowers, Catgirl
Borgasm, Cyborg
Spoiler:
OOC: Hunterh98: to be fair sloan is one of the, if not the, most robust folks on tg

DEAD: Schlomo Gaskin says, "sloan may be a faggot but he gets the job done"

DEAD: Rei Ayanami says, "YOU'RE EVERYWHERE WHERE BAD SHIT IS HAPPENING"
DEAD: Rei Ayanami says, "IT'S ALWAYS FUCKING EDWARD SLOAN"
oranges wrote:Bee sting is honestly the nicest admin, I look forward to seeing him as a headmin one day


[2020-05-21 01:21:48.923] SAY: Crippo/(Impala Chainee) "Shaggy Voice - She like... wants to get Eiffel Towered bro!!" (Brig (125, 166, 2))

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Re: Compilation of policy discussion rulings

Postby BeeSting12 » Tue Nov 07, 2017 2:34 am #354670

All the silicon policy threads have been catalogged with the exception of a few discussion threads, duplicates, and threads made out of salt such as basically every thread by sirnat and iamgoofball.
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Melanie Flowers, Catgirl
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Spoiler:
OOC: Hunterh98: to be fair sloan is one of the, if not the, most robust folks on tg

DEAD: Schlomo Gaskin says, "sloan may be a faggot but he gets the job done"

DEAD: Rei Ayanami says, "YOU'RE EVERYWHERE WHERE BAD SHIT IS HAPPENING"
DEAD: Rei Ayanami says, "IT'S ALWAYS FUCKING EDWARD SLOAN"
oranges wrote:Bee sting is honestly the nicest admin, I look forward to seeing him as a headmin one day


[2020-05-21 01:21:48.923] SAY: Crippo/(Impala Chainee) "Shaggy Voice - She like... wants to get Eiffel Towered bro!!" (Brig (125, 166, 2))

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Re: Compilation of policy discussion rulings

Postby J_Madison » Tue Nov 07, 2017 9:38 am #354785

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Re: Compilation of policy discussion rulings

Postby oranges » Tue Nov 07, 2017 9:13 pm #355078

these have absolutely no relevance to the topic at hand, they're ban appeals not policy subforum threads

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Re: Compilation of policy discussion rulings

Postby Qbmax32 » Tue Nov 07, 2017 9:28 pm #355082

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Re: Compilation of policy discussion rulings

Postby J_Madison » Tue Nov 07, 2017 10:02 pm #355105

thot_slayer wrote:these have absolutely no relevance to the topic at hand, they're ban appeals not policy subforum threads

new rulings new precedents

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Re: Compilation of policy discussion rulings

Postby PKPenguin321 » Wed Nov 08, 2017 2:52 am #355213

J_Madison wrote:
thot_slayer wrote:these have absolutely no relevance to the topic at hand, they're ban appeals not policy subforum threads

new rulings new precedents

No
While not necessarily our main rule list, the An0n3 amendment specifically states that saying things like
"This happened to me once and I didn't get banned for it" or the reverse "This happened to me once and I got banned for it."
is not the same as citing the rules
That and common sense/awareness of context
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Re: Compilation of policy discussion rulings

Postby J_Madison » Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:31 am #355268

Rulings are referenced, have been used to back or weaken bans.

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Re: Compilation of policy discussion rulings

Postby factoryman942 » Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:27 pm #355385

call it "admin rulings" instead of "headmin rulings"
there's a thing from feem in there and he was not a headmin at the time of that post

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Re: Compilation of policy discussion rulings

Postby oranges » Thu Nov 09, 2017 12:27 am #355517

J_Madison wrote:Rulings are referenced, have been used to back or weaken bans.

they're not in policy discussion you fuckstick, they don't count

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Re: Compilation of policy discussion rulings

Postby FrozenGuy5 » Thu Nov 09, 2017 5:50 pm #355765

get the headmins to write up a fucking constitution and then make an admin policy changelog/list ingame gaaah.
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Re: Compilation of policy discussion rulings

Postby BeeSting12 » Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:23 pm #356864

I'll write the sec policy section of this over the course of this week and hopefully have everything else down by the end of next week. At very latest, it will be Christmas when I'm done with this.
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DEAD: Schlomo Gaskin says, "sloan may be a faggot but he gets the job done"

DEAD: Rei Ayanami says, "YOU'RE EVERYWHERE WHERE BAD SHIT IS HAPPENING"
DEAD: Rei Ayanami says, "IT'S ALWAYS FUCKING EDWARD SLOAN"
oranges wrote:Bee sting is honestly the nicest admin, I look forward to seeing him as a headmin one day


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Re: Compilation of policy discussion rulings

Postby BeeSting12 » Tue Sep 04, 2018 2:19 pm #437364

BeeSting12 wrote:At very latest, it will be Christmas when I'm done with this.

I meant Christmas of this year... :lol:

Maybe next year. It depends. I'm working on this again though, with the aim to put all of sec policy up there.
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Spoiler:
OOC: Hunterh98: to be fair sloan is one of the, if not the, most robust folks on tg

DEAD: Schlomo Gaskin says, "sloan may be a faggot but he gets the job done"

DEAD: Rei Ayanami says, "YOU'RE EVERYWHERE WHERE BAD SHIT IS HAPPENING"
DEAD: Rei Ayanami says, "IT'S ALWAYS FUCKING EDWARD SLOAN"
oranges wrote:Bee sting is honestly the nicest admin, I look forward to seeing him as a headmin one day


[2020-05-21 01:21:48.923] SAY: Crippo/(Impala Chainee) "Shaggy Voice - She like... wants to get Eiffel Towered bro!!" (Brig (125, 166, 2))

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Re: Compilation of policy discussion rulings

Postby Atlanta-Ned » Tue Sep 04, 2018 7:34 pm #437404

I converted the page to use tables, since that makes things a little more readable.

EDIT: Can we link to this page from the Rules page?
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Re: Compilation of policy discussion rulings

Postby BeeSting12 » Tue Sep 04, 2018 9:46 pm #437425

As long as I copy pate rule zero to the top of the page in size seventy two font
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Spoiler:
OOC: Hunterh98: to be fair sloan is one of the, if not the, most robust folks on tg

DEAD: Schlomo Gaskin says, "sloan may be a faggot but he gets the job done"

DEAD: Rei Ayanami says, "YOU'RE EVERYWHERE WHERE BAD SHIT IS HAPPENING"
DEAD: Rei Ayanami says, "IT'S ALWAYS FUCKING EDWARD SLOAN"
oranges wrote:Bee sting is honestly the nicest admin, I look forward to seeing him as a headmin one day


[2020-05-21 01:21:48.923] SAY: Crippo/(Impala Chainee) "Shaggy Voice - She like... wants to get Eiffel Towered bro!!" (Brig (125, 166, 2))

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Re: Compilation of policy discussion rulings

Postby Denton » Sat Sep 08, 2018 11:11 am #438267

FrozenGuy5 wrote:get the headmins to write up a fucking constitution and then make an admin policy changelog/list ingame gaaah.


There is no changelog for server config either, you might be asking for too much.
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Re: Compilation of policy discussion rulings

Postby NoxVS » Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:56 pm #440272

So are these enforced with the rules? I have definitely been bwoinked for at least one thing this list says is fine.

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Re: Compilation of policy discussion rulings

Postby Atlanta-Ned » Tue Sep 18, 2018 5:42 pm #440282

NoxVS wrote:So are these enforced with the rules? I have definitely been bwoinked for at least one thing this list says is fine.


There probably needs to be a discussion about this with the admin/headmin team. Right now we're just focused on documenting them.
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Re: Compilation of policy discussion rulings

Postby Dax Dupont » Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:09 am #441087

NoxVS wrote:So are these enforced with the rules? I have definitely been bwoinked for at least one thing this list says is fine.

Link the specific ruling because we don't know the 70 rulings of our heads especially the more esoteric ones.
Keep in mind rule 0 and 1 do still apply if you do things in excess.

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Re: Compilation of policy discussion rulings

Postby Atlanta-Ned » Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:05 pm #441871

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### ListVarEdit by Atlanta-ned: /datum/reagents reagent_list: Water=/obj/item/weapon/gun/energy/alien
IcePacks wrote:>all you have is a taser and the cold realization that you're a haphazard bandaid over a problem that may or may not exist, applied by someone who doesn't know or care enough about their job to do it properly

OOC: Pizzatiger: God damn Atlanta, how are you so fucking smart and charming. It fucking pisses me off how perfect you are

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Re: Compilation of policy discussion rulings

Postby BeeSting12 » Wed Sep 26, 2018 6:33 pm #441917

There's not much I can do if I can't edit it.
Edward Sloan, THE LAW
Melanie Flowers, Catgirl
Borgasm, Cyborg
Spoiler:
OOC: Hunterh98: to be fair sloan is one of the, if not the, most robust folks on tg

DEAD: Schlomo Gaskin says, "sloan may be a faggot but he gets the job done"

DEAD: Rei Ayanami says, "YOU'RE EVERYWHERE WHERE BAD SHIT IS HAPPENING"
DEAD: Rei Ayanami says, "IT'S ALWAYS FUCKING EDWARD SLOAN"
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Re: Compilation of policy discussion rulings

Postby Jordie0608 » Thu Sep 27, 2018 1:48 am #441990

Fair point, an oversight of mine; reverted.
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Re: Compilation of policy discussion rulings

Postby Atlanta-Ned » Thu Sep 27, 2018 2:00 pm #442059

Yet another failed gambit for sysop on the wiki. *shakes fist*
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