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cedarbridge · Sun May 06, 2018 11:00 pm

Bottom post of the previous page:

Malkevin wrote:Apparently you're more likely to survive a gun shot than a stab wound.

That's probably low cal pistols and not high power rifles I'd guess

"high power rifle" is a buzzword phrase. A bullet that travels quickly generally also travels cleanly. That means you're more likely to survive it than a stab wound that enters and exits in reverse of where it entered. The severity of a gunshot wound doesn't come from the "power" of the gun but from the spread and size of the projectile. A round that fragments or mushrooms before it exits the body is more likely to cause severe and terminal damage than a very fast projectile that enters and leaves mostly intact in its form while passing. This doesn't account for bone impacts and such, but its a solid baseline. A 45 cal I can legally purchase and carry will do more damage than most of the spooky rifles the media loses their shit over and so would the 30-06 I shot in my youth.

Rustledjimm · Sun May 06, 2018 11:04 pm

ShadowDimentio wrote:The number of shooting deaths is overwhelmingly from suicides and inner city gangsters killing other gangsters. Mass shootings make up an entirely insignificant amount of total shooting deaths, the only reason people talk about them is because the media fucking won't shut up about them and it's an excellent talking point for anti-gun campaigners.

LOL ITS OK CAUSE IT'S JUST PEOPLE KILLING THEMSELVES AND MINORITIES KILLING EACH OTHER

ShadowDimentio · Sun May 06, 2018 11:07 pm

It's ok because banning guns wouldn't do jack shit to effect either of those demographics big guy. Ban guns? Suicidals jump off a building or hang themselves. Ban guns? Gangsters stab each other to death (Britain says hi).

So call me crazy but giving up my liberties in the name of something that won't happen isn't something I support.

Rustledjimm · Sun May 06, 2018 11:16 pm

ShadowDimentio wrote:It's ok because banning guns wouldn't do jack shit to effect either of those demographics big guy. Ban guns? Suicidals jump off a building or hang themselves. Ban guns? Gangsters stab each other to death (Britain says hi).

So call me crazy but giving up my liberties in the name of something that won't happen isn't something I support.

If you don't think guns makes either of those easier / have worse effects then I feel sad for you. Perhaps it's the sad reality you have to live with in the U.S

ShadowDimentio · Sun May 06, 2018 11:24 pm

And what about all the times where guns have saved people? It's easy to stack up the people killed by guns, but it's not so easy to stack up the people saved by them. It must be really liberating to live in a world so black and white where guns = evil.

Rustledjimm · Sun May 06, 2018 11:30 pm

ShadowDimentio wrote:And what about all the times where guns have saved people? It's easy to stack up the people killed by guns, but it's not so easy to stack up the people saved by them. It must be really liberating to live in a world so black and white where guns = evil.

It is quite yes. You should try it sometime.

ShadowDimentio · Sun May 06, 2018 11:37 pm

I'm good thanks, I like living in the real world.

Rustledjimm · Sun May 06, 2018 11:58 pm

ShadowDimentio wrote:I'm good thanks, I like living in the real world.

Would you like a headpat too?

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Mon May 07, 2018 12:02 am #407698

>shadowmemes calling others out on living in a black-and-white world
let me search for a suitable reaction lizard

Mon May 07, 2018 12:07 am

guns have pros and cons
it is really up to personal belief as to which outweighs the other
at the end of the day the issue at hand is that even if gun control was absolutely necessary for the US, guns are so widespread that actually removing them from the population would be impossible

onleavedontatme · Mon May 07, 2018 12:14 am

Kor wrote:Jumping off a bridge takes significantly more planning than picking up an object in your home and applying 5lb of force to a trigger. Strangling yourself also takes quite a bit more work and is less likely to succeed.

Most suicide attempts are very impulsive and most people who try it don't do it again afterwards, so if they're talked down or live through the attempt it gives you a chance to treat them.

If you want to make a "freedom vs security" argument or whatever, go ahead, I'm not gonna get into the philosophical weeds with you, but "suicidal people are unstoppable Terminators bent on self destruction, we are helpless" is one of the dumber talking points that keeps popping up in gun debates.

Doubt you'll click through to either link but they'll make my post look nicer so

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21034205 IDF suicide rates drop after restricting access to firearms on the weekends

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/means-matter/ Citations for the stuff about suicide being impulsive + the methods mattering

Quoting this so david can again quietly drop out of the argument then go back to saying the same disproven nonsense a couple months later

Rustledjimm · Mon May 07, 2018 12:35 am

ShadowDimentio wrote:And what about all the times where guns have saved people? It's easy to stack up the people killed by guns, but it's not so easy to stack up the people saved by them. It must be really liberating to live in a world so black and white where guns = evil.

I'd like to reiterate that I love how you completely ignored what I said in my post and went to and instead went "but look sometimes they save lives too!".

Do you always try to avoid answering questions and instead bringing something else up that doesn't even really defend what you're arguing for?

Considering Kor has said he's had to post this again I'd assume you do.

Anonmare · Post by **Anonmare** » Mon May 07, 2018 12:39 am #407712

BAN THIS SUGAR TAX I AM ACTUALLY GOING TO DIE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Rustledjimm · Mon May 07, 2018 12:54 am

Try minimum alcohol pricing. Absolute rage about it up here.

Doesn't bother me mind, I don't really drink ASDA own brand lager.

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Mon May 07, 2018 1:10 am #407716

sugar tax is good
rabbit is fat

ShadowDimentio · Mon May 07, 2018 1:35 am

Rustledjimm wrote:I'd like to reiterate that I love how you completely ignored what I said in my post and went to and instead went "but look sometimes they save lives too!".

I didn't ignore what you said. You were getting at how banning guns would make things better. I countered by asking about the other side of guns, helping people, and how many of those would wind up dead after guns were banned.

XSI · Post by **XSI** » Mon May 07, 2018 1:55 am #407725

How about instead of banning whatever, we just get a society that doesn't need to put a good 70% of their children on pharmaceutical pills for anxiety, depression, and a whole list of other things?

I imagine that would help more than any ban

Rustledjimm · Post by **Rustledjimm** » Mon May 07, 2018 2:12 am #407729

ShadowDimentio wrote:
Rustledjimm wrote:I'd like to reiterate that I love how you completely ignored what I said in my post and went to and instead went "but look sometimes they save lives too!".
I didn't ignore what you said. You were getting at how banning guns would make things better. I countered by asking about the other side of guns, helping people, and how many of those would wind up dead after guns were banned.

>ignored what I said
>I-I d-didn't ignore you! BAKA!

Yes of course, guns are good because they can help kill people.

It's as you say A GOOD GUY WITH A GUN CAN STOP A BAD GUY WITH A GUN!!!!

Now, what is deciding who is a good guy again?

Super Aggro Crag · Mon May 07, 2018 2:30 am

Stop banning what i like just because you dont like it

XSI · Post by **XSI** » Mon May 07, 2018 2:38 am #407734

The good guy is the one that survives to write history, if we're going by historical precedent

ShadowDimentio · Mon May 07, 2018 2:46 am

Rustledjimm wrote:>ignored what I said
>I-I d-didn't ignore you! BAKA!

Yes of course, guns are good because they can help kill people.

It's as you say A GOOD GUY WITH A GUN CAN STOP A BAD GUY WITH A GUN!!!!

Now, what is deciding who is a good guy again?

Follow sec rules. Try to be nonlethal. Don't kill someone unless you know they're valid. Ez pz

Rustledjimm · Post by **Rustledjimm** » Mon May 07, 2018 2:48 am #407737

Your dodging skills need some work

ShadowDimentio · Mon May 07, 2018 2:51 am

Rustledjimm wrote:Your dodging skills need some work

I mean it's a fairly good rule. Don't kill someone unless you're absolutely sure you should.

Rustledjimm · Post by **Rustledjimm** » Mon May 07, 2018 2:55 am #407742

You mean like all those school shooters?

Well if you told me you were on the side of the school shooters I might have started this conversation differently.

Super Aggro Crag · Mon May 07, 2018 2:58 am

Ban motorcycles

ShadowDimentio · Mon May 07, 2018 2:59 am

Rustledjimm wrote:You mean like all those school shooters?

Well if you told me you were on the side of the school shooters I might have started this conversation differently.

Beta uprising soon brother

Super Aggro Crag · Mon May 07, 2018 3:02 am

I hate betas

Rustledjimm · Post by **Rustledjimm** » Mon May 07, 2018 3:03 am #407747

Oh well, I guess my spot of fun here is over. It only took you five posts to give up. I'll need to find a better target.

cedarbridge · Post by **cedarbridge** » Mon May 07, 2018 3:05 am #407749

Rustledjimm wrote:You mean like all those school shooters?

Well if you told me you were on the side of the school shooters I might have started this conversation differently.

"all of those" 5 over the last 15 years give or take?

bandit · Post by **bandit** » Mon May 07, 2018 3:07 am #407750

cedarbridge wrote:
Rustledjimm wrote:You mean like all those school shooters?

Well if you told me you were on the side of the school shooters I might have started this conversation differently.
"all of those" 5 over the last 15 years give or take?

lmao what

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_s ... ted_States

Rustledjimm · Post by **Rustledjimm** » Mon May 07, 2018 3:16 am #407754

>USA has had more gun incidents at schools since the start of March than the UK has ever recorded in it's history

jogs the noggin

ShadowDimentio · Mon May 07, 2018 3:21 am

Unsurprising, what with how the media refuses to fucking shut up about them. If you shoot up a school you get to be on the news for anywhere from weeks to years. Not an unappealing prospect to any mental case kids that want attention.

Rustledjimm · Post by **Rustledjimm** » Mon May 07, 2018 3:24 am #407758

I wonder why after the Dunblane Massacre, after all that media coverage. So much coverage happened over that incident.

I wonder why we didn't have lot's of shootings after that? The guy was on the news for ages.

Oh yeah, we banned handguns.

EDIT: Oh jeese, I remember too when there was so much coverage over the Cumbrian shootings too in 2010. I wonder why there weren't copycat shootings after that? I mean the guy really got on the news a lot.

Oh yeah, it's cause guns are heavily controlled here.

ShadowDimentio · Mon May 07, 2018 3:26 am

Along with everything else, apparently.

Rustledjimm · Post by **Rustledjimm** » Mon May 07, 2018 3:27 am #407762

>YOU GOT A LICENSE FOR THAT KNOIFE

Are you giving up on me again?

Come on, you've got to have one good argument in you.

Why don't you try the "good guy with a gun" again?

Or maybe you tell me it's actually just the minorities again.

Or it's just stupid people?

Come on, throw another one at me.

ShadowDimentio · Mon May 07, 2018 3:28 am

More the free speech thing than the knives thing (though they're both fucking stupid)

Rustledjimm · Post by **Rustledjimm** » Mon May 07, 2018 3:31 am #407765

shit guys I'm losing it, hey how about we mention that free speech bit? Yeah, that'll get him good, he won't have an argument against it.

I don't agree with all our laws, I actually believe what happened with Count Dankula and other folk being arrested for stuff like that to be very stupid and retarded. I'm actually quite liberal when it comes to freespeech unlike when it comes to gun control.

I take it then you have given up and you'd rather try and bash me for free speech laws in my country which I disagree against anyway?

ShadowDimentio · Mon May 07, 2018 3:33 am

How DARE you agree with me you FAGGOT

Post by **oranges** » Mon May 07, 2018 3:34 am #407767

americans are utterly deranged when they try to defend their gun laws

just say
>it's our constitutional right and I don't agree with gun control because I like using firearms.

Then we all nod that you're crazy and move on

cedarbridge · Post by **cedarbridge** » Mon May 07, 2018 3:34 am #407768

bandit wrote:
cedarbridge wrote:
Rustledjimm wrote:You mean like all those school shooters?

Well if you told me you were on the side of the school shooters I might have started this conversation differently.
"all of those" 5 over the last 15 years give or take?
lmao what

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_s ... ted_States

Not interested enough right now to sift through the list but there are multiples I saw merely scanning that were merely incidentally on school campuses and thus classified as "school shootings." One of which was in a school parking lot after school hours.

But yeah, gun-free zones work and prevent gun violence because positive thinking.

Rustledjimm · Post by **Rustledjimm** » Mon May 07, 2018 3:34 am #407769

ShadowDimentio wrote:How DARE you agree with me you FAGGOT

yo what you got against gay people

ShadowDimentio · Mon May 07, 2018 3:35 am

No homo

Rustledjimm · Post by **Rustledjimm** » Mon May 07, 2018 3:35 am #407771

cedarbridge wrote:
bandit wrote:
cedarbridge wrote:
Rustledjimm wrote:You mean like all those school shooters?

Well if you told me you were on the side of the school shooters I might have started this conversation differently.
"all of those" 5 over the last 15 years give or take?
lmao what

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_s ... ted_States
Not interested enough right now to sift through the list but there are multiples I saw merely scanning that were merely incidentally on school campuses and thus classified as "school shootings." One of which was in a school parking lot after school hours.

But yeah, gun-free zones work and prevent gun violence because positive thinking.

When I made my reply about more since March than has ever been historically recorded in the UK it was also covering just incidents and incidentally at schools by the way.

Rustledjimm · Post by **Rustledjimm** » Mon May 07, 2018 3:36 am #407772

ShadowDimentio wrote:No homo

So you won't mind me getting a lil' closer?

Mon May 07, 2018 3:37 am

rustled is becoming sticky run

ShadowDimentio · Mon May 07, 2018 3:37 am

I-it's not like I like you or anything bro! N-no homo!

bandit · Post by **bandit** » Mon May 07, 2018 3:38 am #407775

cedarbridge wrote:Not interested enough right now to sift through the list but there are multiples I saw merely scanning that were merely incidentally on school campuses and thus classified as "school shootings." One of which was in a school parking lot after school hours.

But yeah, gun-free zones work and prevent gun violence because positive thinking.

even if you threw out like half of these it would still be way more than five

cedarbridge · Post by **cedarbridge** » Mon May 07, 2018 3:41 am #407776

bandit wrote:
cedarbridge wrote:Not interested enough right now to sift through the list but there are multiples I saw merely scanning that were merely incidentally on school campuses and thus classified as "school shootings." One of which was in a school parking lot after school hours.

But yeah, gun-free zones work and prevent gun violence because positive thinking.
even if you threw out like half of these it would still be way more than five

Yes I'm willing to accept that your inflated list counters my hyperbole.

ShadowDimentio · Mon May 07, 2018 3:43 am

Yeah I glanced through that list and a whole lot of them seemed to not so much be school shootings as shootings that took place at/near a school. There's a difference.

Rustledjimm · Post by **Rustledjimm** » Mon May 07, 2018 3:54 am #407780

Yes, one is shooting at people outside a school and one is shooting at people inside a school.

FantasticFwoosh · Mon May 07, 2018 9:49 am

oranges wrote:americans are utterly deranged when they try to defend their gun laws

just say
>it's our constitutional right and I don't agree with gun control because I like using firearms.

Then we all nod that you're crazy and move on

Expecting american's to forcefully conform to your standards that disbands their opinion and legal rights.