I don't think I care about playing security anymore.

[Lumbermancer]

Just as I got recently unbanned, for put a cat into crit state accidentally, I get bwoinked again.
Because I wanted to just search a mildly suspicious lizard, but unfortunately he was stolen in transit to brig by a Mime - escalating my suspicion from mild to severe. So I fired off screen, and apparently put a lizard in crit.
Nothing happened, because I was able to justify my actions, like always. But mild aftertaste remained.

I also got slipped there, and Virologist spaced my one of a kind gun to have his petty revenge for arrest earlier.

But but, the aftertaste escalated to severe, after I arrested Mime later in Engineering, stripping and looting CMO. CMO wanted to kill him, but alas he was already in cuffs.

The final nail in the coffin was everyone dying 40 minutes in, because guess what, it was a Nuke Ops round, and Captain preoccupied with tide forgot about the disk. And then everyone screamed for jobban for the Captain, because he executed someone. For no reason, of course.

So why should I bother anymore? If I want to search someone, I get bwoinked because MUH METAGAMING. If I put someone in critical state accidentally, I get bwoinked because MUH HIGH SECURITY STANDARDS. Every shittler can just ahelp you, and you will have to stop playing, scroll the chat to find who the fuck admin is talking about (because they're often irrelevant grey tide you forgot about already) and trying to argue your position.
Meanwhile non antag can just kidnap a head of staff and steal his shit with zero repercussion, because it's IC, call the cops. Well cops were getting bwoinked.
Meanwhile meanwhile, there are unclear confusing escalation rules in place, allowing you to MURDER PEOPLE for breaking into your workplace. Of course only if you're a civilian, because that's obviously a crutch solution for dwindling sec numbers (and quality) while increase in grey tide.

So what do I do lads? I like sec, I like being police, I like catching bad guys, I like improving the quality of the round, I like helping innocents. Here's my plan, my last ditch effort to try and enjoy the security again:

First, I will stop playing detective. "You are not supposed to be a security officer" - is easier said that done. Either there's no crime worth investigation (largely due how the rounds flow and how long they last), or not enough security players. So you end up just drinking in bar chatting with bartender, or getting ran over by the tide which forces your hand. So fuck detective.
Second, I will play the straightest edge security officer you can imagine. I will be like police in real world. I will stop, I will talk, I will announce (I already do, but I will do it every time now), I will ENFORCE THE SPACE LAW to the letter. I will ask questions first, shoot later. I know I will regret it, but so be it.

Wish me luck guys.

[IkeTG]

I hope you find a job that is more fulfilling OP, good luck and godspeed.

[Kryson]

Did you actually get any new notes during this round though? It seemed like admins actually gave sec the leeway you desire considering how many people complained of you shooting them with lethals and how you permad the viro for stealing your gun(no doubt because he thought it was being misused.)

I understand that the round was frustrating to play due to mass greytiding and the captain failing to secure the disk during stealth ops and i do think we should give sec some leeway when dealing with mass greytide, but the critisim against sec this particular round was not without merit.

[Lumbermancer]

Nah, no notes. Admin was experienced, exercised due diligence, even though I had to explain lizard was put in crit not while being arrested, but when I chased after mime who stole him. Like I said, nothing happened. It's just i'm bored with the same routine.

Virologist was arrested, because doctor told me he infected me with a disease, and medbay scrambled to cure it afterwards. Of course, the disease was helpful, but viro for some reason decided to say it only after he got released from arrest. He was put in perma cause Warden was not in brig, and I told I will release him when I find the gun.

Also, the only person who complained about being shot was the Chaplain, who walked into the line of fire when I was shooting the Mime. I explained it to the chaplain, and apologized. Yet he tried to toolbox me to death soon after. I didn't resist, hoping he would kill me so I can stop playing.

[confused rock]

Every time lumber decides to arrest people as detective and/or "apparently" put someone into crit I die externally

[Lumbermancer]

The most important thing is that you are not dying internally.

[Farquaar]

This sounds like Bagil. Were you playing on Bagil?
If so, jump ship to Sybil. There’s never any sec there, but there are way fewer tiders.

[Gigapuddi420]

This sounds like Bagil. Were you playing on Bagil?

It was Terry, Terry is slowly picking up some Bagil habits but a lot of the population don't have the experience behind it. I can appreciate security is frustrating at times, but it seems like this one turned out right for you. You searched a guy, the guy complained and when asked about it you provided a fine IC reason. Case closed.

[confused rock]

what I'm saying is lumber is a nigger

[Lumbermancer]

Sir, have I wronged you in some way?

[confused rock]

yes detectives who arrest are niggers especially ones who arrest using revolvers

[bman]

yes detectives who arrest are niggers especially ones who arrest using revolvers

Ok sorry rock i guess they'll do jack fucking shit for the ENTIRE FUCKING ROUND THEN.

[Lumbermancer]

yes detectives who arrest are niggers especially ones who arrest using revolvers

Yes bring stun revolver back.

[confused rock]

yes detectives who arrest are niggers especially ones who arrest using revolvers

Ok sorry rock i guess they'll do jack fucking shit for the ENTIRE FUCKING ROUND THEN.

There are always many people who get murdered and are never found in individual rounds. Even hiding the body in a dorm locker is usually enough. I'd rather have detectives but FULL effort into investigation than be just another officer.

[Lumbermancer]

Oh please, that's what all of the sec do, the only difference is that detective has scanner.

[PKPenguin321]

massive deja vu from this thread, didnt another sec main do a "im quitting abloo abloo" thread just recently?

[Lumbermancer]

massive deja vu from this thread, didnt another sec main do a "im quitting abloo abloo" thread just recently?

[Skillywatt]

tiding has been going in an increasingly negative direction for a while now, at least on bagil. Cat nigger cliques were just becoming more of a problem to the point I was putting myself at a tactical disadvantage simply by interacting with them in good faith. Shitters like Bal Dee were constantly getting away with shit that really should have been dealt with sooner than he actually was (I saw his appeal where he finally got permabant).

Ive been taking a break simply because all this shit was making sec a huge chore to play and keep the best interests of the round/player at heart and sec really was all I enjoyed playing with an occasional side of engineer.

[Dr_bee]

tiding has been going in an increasingly negative direction for a while now, at least on bagil. Cat nigger cliques were just becoming more of a problem to the point I was putting myself at a tactical disadvantage simply by interacting with them in good faith. Shitters like Bal Dee were constantly getting away with shit that really should have been dealt with sooner than he actually was (I saw his appeal where he finally got permabant).

Ive been taking a break simply because all this shit was making sec a huge chore to play and keep the best interests of the round/player at heart and sec really was all I enjoyed playing with an occasional side of engineer.

When you have like 8 antags, and 20 tiders in a 90 person round with 5 security, it is kind of a problem. Murder no longer being a serious crime because "muh escalation" also makes sec work harder. When a third of the station is looking for a reason to fuck you over it doesnt make protecting the other two thirds a fun time.

[Eskjjlj]

[Malkraz]

This post might've had some merit if it weren't being made by fucking Schlomo of all people

[Lumbermancer]

Coming from the prince of the tide this means a lot to me.

[Malkraz]

who's the king

[Super Aggro Crag]

My ass

[Lumbermancer]

deathhoof

[confused rock]

Detectives arresting feels like warden leaving brig to me- it’s sometimes justified but often feels like they just wanna play sec officer with benefits and now you’re down an important job. I remember relenting and giving the detective sechuds and when I leave for the shuttle I get shot in the stomach because the detective is arresting nonviolent criminals using bullets again. I just wish they understood no means no, but it’s hardly as bad as lawyerw who ask for free shit. You get no baton, no pepperspray, fuck off, fuck off, fuck off. Your job is no more dangerous than an assistant’s. If an assistant asked for free gear, I WOULD SAY NO. LAWYERS ARE NO DIFFERENT AND ABSOLUTELY DO NOT OUTRANK ME. FUCK YOU LAWYERS.

Shoutout to engineers who give brig plasmaglass windows so fags can’t as effortlessly break it.

[Lumbermancer]

Detective gets baton, pepper spray and cuffs.

[Malkraz]

Detectives shouldn't spawn with arms tbh

[Big Faggot]

my chances of tiding against a detective are tenfold that of a security officer, get a real job!

even when im playing as sec seeing the detective come in with some idiot hancuffed has to be the most annoying fucking thing as he sits around the hall and explains some very personal reason for arrest like getting a glass thrown at his head. gifted with a forensic scanner, and instead of actually using it to deal with serious crimes the detective sits at the bar and waits for some stupid shit to happen so he can pop off.

gets me really fired up.

[Skillywatt]

I got less of a problem with the detective detaining someone (crap happens) but I have a real issue with them responding to calls for help like "sec to medbay" or whatever for some disturbance. that is absolutely not your job

[wesoda25]

You guys are fucking pussies holy shit. My playtime as assistant is still super high, but as of the past 4 months ish I’ve been a sec main of sorts. Guess how many notes I’ve gotten during that time? You’re dumbasses who don’t know how to play the game and take greytide personally.

Schlomo you’re shitsec as as detective, running around desperately for valids because you have a vendetta against every grey for whatever reason. You’re becoming as bad as istoprocent bud, time to take a step back. I have no comment about your recent ban, don’t know enough about it.

When I greytide, I purposely hold myself at arms length from the game, so that I don’t give a shit if someone kills me. I practically never ahelp, especially over shit when I was greytiding. Usually I find it funny when I die. Due to this, I can replicate the same thing as security, understanding that shitters are tiding because fucking around and blowing off steam is fun.

People who have never tided before think people tide to purposefully be dicks and ruin their round, that shit ain’t true. People sometimes feel like fucking around and getting reactions, they aren’t assholes who exist to make you mad. I see sec mains start to exercise their petty grudges on random tiders, and they always end up banned in the end. Don’t hail them as the best sec mains, they’re idiots who take the game wayyyy too personally.

All of this being said, there are a lot of absolutely cancer assistant mains and shit. I was probably pretty cancer when I started on tg, I think I raided sec comms every round. However, I see these fucks who try to get any bit of revenge against sec for fair briggings and shit. They’re possibly even stupider than sec mains who take tiding personally, since they clearly don’t understand the rules and desperately grab onto any chance of combat they see.

In conclusion, this post is dumb, Lumber you feel dissatisfied with playing security due to your own flaws at the role. The rules aren’t changing, feelings towards security isn’t changing, if you’re gonna arrest people as detective (don’t) at least use your baton.

[wesoda25]

Ok so my post was pretty aggressive so as for your actual post and idea for a new Schlomo Gaskin.

Wesoda's Guidebook to not Getting Banned from Security
General Stuff

• Alert Color doesn't mean shit, do what you want when you want

• Space Law is a myth, that being said its something pretty good to base your actions off of

• Never do random searches, never consider someone suspicions for existing in dorms/behind a bolted door

• Don't just kill people for shit. If shits hitting the fan, I'll perform field executions if theres an especially bad shitter or just someone has traitor gear. Otherwise, I'll either execute traitors, perma them, or take their shit if they're nice and I caught them due to bullshit.

• Favoritism is fucking gay. tbh playing sec has made me hate some people I use to like

• Deadass be nice and meme with shitters. I do it because I usually like them, but if you wanna be manipulative, do this. I've tried it on random people before, works like a charm. I try not to be a manipulative person by nature, but I see ways to do it. Its so easy, especially in the ss13 environment, to convince someone you're chill. Works even if you aren't sec, if you wanna cater to the right people deadass just scream shit like "uwu ugu" - lord knows you'll be accepted into the cat clique immediately, I have several examples of this too

• Don't hold grudges

• Don't arrest people as detective

• Arrest people with sec gear, if they're nice just take it, otherwise give them like two minutes.

• Don't use temp gun or secway

• If someone has a weapon they shouldn't have, don't be scared to take it.

• Be brutal when AA gets out. Maybe don't wordlessly cremate, but I perma anyone I catch with AA. Lord knows they have multiple other IDs stashed away somewhere

• Ignore faggots and don't take shit personally

• Don't kill borgs for following laws

• Literally get ready to perma HOP for anything, traitor HOPs are cancer, and faggots who hand out AA when not traitor are abundant as well.

list could go on forever you get the point

[Lumbermancer]

running around desperately for valids

You're hilarious. Truly assistant mains lack any self-awareness.

[Eskjjlj]

[obscolene]

You guys are fucking pussies holy shit. My playtime as assistant is still super high, but as of the past 4 months ish I’ve been a sec main of sorts. Guess how many notes I’ve gotten during that time? You’re dumbasses who don’t know how to play the game and take greytide personally.

this basically sums it up, dude. every fucking person complaining about 'i don't wanna play sec because i'll get banned!!!' are just too retarded to use common sense to know their boundaries and what they can and cannot do on the server. every time one of these posts pops up it fucking eludes me how people can't just figure it out.

[Lumbermancer]

half truths

I also remember how you tried to make tesla in engineering lobby, and I asked you to do it somewhere else, so you bad mouthed me, so you got searched and then released.

Did you expect to find any valids behind that door???

Here's another wesoda thinking security exists for any other reason than stopping crime. Sure let's strawman it by calling it VALIDS.

every fucking person complaining about 'i don't wanna play sec because i'll get banned!!!

That's not at all what i'm talking about.

[Malkraz]

You guys are fucking pussies holy shit. My playtime as assistant is still super high, but as of the past 4 months ish I’ve been a sec main of sorts. Guess how many notes I’ve gotten during that time? You’re dumbasses who don’t know how to play the game and take greytide personally.

this basically sums it up, dude. every fucking person complaining about 'i don't wanna play sec because i'll get banned!!!' are just too retarded to use common sense to know their boundaries and what they can and cannot do on the server. every time one of these posts pops up it fucking eludes me how people can't just figure it out.

It's pretty much the same with any complaint about escalation. Not that there aren't some issues with it, but there's so many fucking autistics who go way overboard and come on here going OH SO I'M NOT ALLOWED TO DEFEND MYSELF AT ALL???? after cremating a guy for tabling them.

[Grazyn]

It's just part of the cycle, admins are too strict on sec->good players are frustrated and stop playing sec->only newbs play sec->antags have no real opposition->rules are laxed and sec is given more free reign->good players go back at playing sec->cycle repeats

[iamgoofball]

remove security, give everyone a piece roundstart

[Lumbermancer]

But what if you replaced tasers and disablers with stechkins. Then one side would be inclined to be less trigger happy and other side would be more inclined to not be shit fnr.

[iamgoofball]

But what if you replaced tasers and disablers with stechkins. Then one side would be inclined to be less trigger happy and other side would be more inclined to not be shit fnr.

i said piece, not non-lethal nerf guns

1911s for everyone or go home

[Grazyn]

The interesting thing is that taser removal is actually gonna be a buff to sec. Taser mode is a newb trap, disabler is almost always superior thanks to the slow down which makes subsequent hits easier, higher capacity and longer stun. Taser also makes friendly fire much worse, while a single stray hit of disabler won't immediately put your fellow officers out of the fight. Taser is only good to get the jump on someone who is staying almost stationary, but then you can just walk up to him and use your baton.

All in all, now newbs will be forced to use disablers and sec efficiency will inevitably go up.

[Eskjjlj]

[Lumbermancer]

You have awful good memory about situations like this, are you holding a grudge or something? And can you finally explain what "validhunting" means to you in the context of security, cause you're just using it like an expletive. Is patrolling maintenance validhunting? Why is asking you to unweld an airlock for me a validhunting? Help me out here. Help me be better security.

[Atticat]

I play security all the time and don't have any of these problems.

[Skillywatt]

I very rarely get a bwoink as sec but I generally try to do the right thing. I think the last justice-related bwoink I got was actually as captain when a greytider was bitching he got perma'd and thought I authorized it when I just told them to gulag him for max points.

[Lumbermancer]

My whole life has been a lie.

[Gamarr]

There's just no reason to play security. Why would you.
You get shit on by everything including the rules basically.

[Shadowflame909]

The interesting thing is that taser removal is actually gonna be a buff to sec. Taser mode is a newb trap, disabler is almost always superior thanks to the slow down which makes subsequent hits easier, higher capacity and longer stun. Taser also makes friendly fire much worse, while a single stray hit of disabler won't immediately put your fellow officers out of the fight. Taser is only good to get the jump on someone who is staying almost stationary, but then you can just walk up to him and use your baton.

All in all, now newbs will be forced to use disablers and sec efficiency will inevitably go up.

Sec gets buffed, the crew is now forced to always have a stunprod in one hand, antagonists get buffed


Who is really winning from these changes

[wesoda25]

I play security because I like the combat of this game, but then a very wise rock said to me: “Why not just play games with actually good combat systems?” so thats that