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Postby MortoSasye » Sun Aug 25, 2019 2:47 am #509816

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Hi there!

For people that may not know who I am, let me introduce myself: I’m MortoSasye or you may know me too by my character Bella Rouge / Queen. I’m active at most servers except for Sybil (Due to this one being always full of admins when I’m online), but I started playing on bagil on February of 2018. Sadly I don’t play as much lately as I dedicate my free time to adminning when possible.

You can see my connections the past 60 days here: https://sb.atlantaned.space/election
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As you may see, I'm currently the most active candidate.

So, why are you running for headmin again?

I have some plans that I would like to see implemented in our community that has grew with the arrival of a large amount of new players this year. This time I’m not interested as much on implementing a change to our escalation policy since a proposal has been offered by our current head admin Hulkamania. Instead, I mostly want to focus on changing how our rule 1 is enforced.

The way rule one is currently enforced and why I want to expand it:

Our rule 1 mostly protects players against people being dicks against them in certain cases. Mostly for IC (in character) situations and not for OOC ones. This means that if someone gets harassed OOCly not much can be done unless if the admin wishes to invoke rule 0 to put a stop to the situation.

This is a game and people get heated sometimes; maybe Mr. Mc. Greytide is doing their dumb gimmick again or Sir Antag killed you while you were chilling in botany. It's natural to be angry and insult them in OOC or salt in deadchat. The issue appears when people decide to continually harass a player for something that happened in-game.

Everyone deserves to have a positive experience when playing here, and going out of your way to insult someone nonstop across rounds detracts from the experience. My proposal would reword rule 1 as follows:

• Don't be a dick.

We're all here to have a good time, supposedly. Going out of your way to seriously negatively impact or end the round for someone with little IC justification is against the rules, this also includes harassing a player OOC (Out of character). Legitimate conflicts where people get upset do happen however, as detailed in the escalation section of the rules.



With the following precedent being added:

8. Starting a fight in OOC/Dead chat or harassing someone across multiple rounds after being informed to stop by an admin may end in an OOC / Dead chat ban. Conflicts are something that happen, but going out of your way to repeatedly do this will not be tolerated.

I’m fully aware this is a controversial decision and it may not be smart of me to propose this, but I prefer being fully transparent about my intentions from the start. With the update of our discord rules, I believe it’s time to give our server rules a new update to accompany it with.


Other extras I’m interested in working on:

- Community events like movie nights with a special role for it
- Continuing the community meetings since they’re an important platform for players to voice their concerns and ideas
- Considering adding mentors to our staff (Not entirely convinced yet)
- Adding a channel for suggestions named #suggestions and #suggestions-discussion over discord where people can vote if they like an idea proposed by a player.

I am open to any ideas that you guys may have too. Because after all, we admin to provide a good environment for everyone.

Compilations of questions and my replies below:


Are candidate debates
Are questions made by players only for me


Event banning:
https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=509895#p509895
Spoiler:
If you announce that an event will be done beforehand and a player is purposely griefing it (Trying to kill the event characters as a non antag, flooding the hallway with plasma where a part of it is developing, etc) then it would be fine by me if their character got immediately deleted and they got warned.


arr pee:
https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=509896#p509896
Spoiler:
As much as I would love to help make the rules necessary for a medium RP server hosted on one of the new abandoned servers, I don't think it's possible to do it with our current tools.


felinids:
https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=509897#p509897
Spoiler:
I would love to re-enable them temporarily so the new players get access to them.


Current state of policy discussion:
https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=509891#p509891
Spoiler:
I'm not going to lie and say that I will resolve them as quickly as possible or on a determined schedule because many factors weight into this, one of them being that each decision has to be approved by at least two of the headmins and real life as well as other things get in the way.

However, I would like to resolve the ones I consider most important from the past head admin terms and don't let them rust away.


Current state of ban appeals:
https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=509892#p509892
Spoiler:
If an admin doesn't reply to an appeal for a long time (more than a week) then I would contact them asking if it's ok to handle their appeal for them.


Gateway:
https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=509893#p509893
Spoiler:
Make a vote so players can decide if they want it to stay or not.


Which current headmin is your spirit animal?:
https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=510111#p510111
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Wubli was my admin trainer for a reason! (Or well, dad, since Citrus was the one that candidated me honk)

To be more specific, out of all the three headmins Wubli is the one that has made the decisions I agree the most with.


LANGUAGE POLICING:
https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=510118#p510118
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I’m going to be real honest here

People are allowed to use whatever the fuck they want, as long as it isn’t targeted towards a specific person. I don’t see any reason why you should be able to start insulting someone repeatedly because they did something that annoyed you, however, if you’re in a fight with said person it’s different. For example:

Case A. Player A killed you on round 832768 while they were an antagonist. You, player B, are mad that they did so even when you were their objective so you decide to go across rounds insulting them at each chance you get in OOC channels, pinging them over discord, etc. They normally ignore you, so you decide to investigate and find out that A is recently sad over losing their job. You use this weakness to exploit them even further by making fun of their situation.

This is not good behavior and it’s harassment which wouldn’t be tolerated and would be punished with an OOC ban for a determined amount of time under the update I want to give to our current rule 1.

Case B. Player U and player L got into a verbal fight in OOC over something that happened last round. L told U to keep an eye on the nuke disk for them, but U got killed by nuke Ops and the station was nuked. They’re obviously just spewing insults because of their current emotional state.


In this case, L and U would be told to chill by an admin and if the fight continues they would be only temporarily muted from OOC to avoid both the fight getting bigger and third parties having to deal with them spamming the channel.

Case C. Unga Bunga the character of player R says ‘’Nigga’’ ‘’Faggot’’, etc in character. Player R also tends to use this terms but not against anyone in specific.

This would be fine by me (As much as I dislike people using those terms personally).


Are you in touch with the players?:
https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=510121#p510121
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I do connect regularly to both play and admin, although not as much as I would like to as before. You can easily view the connections time here:

https://sb.atlantaned.space/info/admins/wiki

I had 123 connections the past twenty days at the time I write this post.


Which other candidates would be part of your ideal headmin team?:
https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=510381#p510381
Spoiler:
This is a really hard choice since most of the current candidates are really good, but I would love to work alongside NikNak and Jcll or Virtual John.



how silly is too silly:
https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=510385#p510385
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As long as people remember that at the end of the day this is just a community of people playing a game to pass the time that’s fine to me!

An example would be to not be so serious about jokes but don’t go to the complete other extreme by, say, exposing private information about players to make a joke.


Charity event:
https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=510495#p510495
Spoiler:
I agree with the fact that continuing the tradition of making a charity event is a great idea.

Personally, I would continue also the summer and winter balls although I admit I’m guilty of not really having any ideas for new events per se.


Who would you deadmin?:
https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=510501#p510501
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Hello.

There are multiple reasons why an administrator may be deadminned, with the most common ones being through a severe lack of activity or breaking the rules. However I consider that the most worrying thing that has been allowed recently are the admins that stir drama on purpose time and time again for entertainment purposes.

But now, back to your question. Who would I deadmin?
-An administrator that constantly is creating new drama as mentioned above for entertainment purposes.

-Someone that has a terrible, terrible personality and is constantly being hostile on tickets to players. It would first be a warning asking them to be more polite if possible or to take a break if adminning stopped being enjoyable.

- An admin that doesn’t care for this community and is constantly trying to hurt how it’s viewed in any way possible. Why admin if you don’t even care?
-People that are obviously biased and constantly rule in favor of their friends or punishes their disliked persons extremely harshly.

-And finally, why keep an admin that doesn’t know how to work as a team and constantly tries to do major decisions on their own without discussing it with the others?


ERP :
https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=510590#p510590
Spoiler:
No, do it in private if you want


What if the codebase does something unacceptable? :
https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=510990#p510990
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The mistake starts when it asks what I would do if >> I << think it is incompatible with my views of the game. I don’t care if it’s what I want, I care if it’s what the community wants.

Now, back to your question: If something is damaging the game and a large amount of the members of this community are against it I would discuss the issue with the head coder and try to come to a solution with them. If they don’t change their mind, then I would have hope that they know what they’re doing because let's be honest, there is little I could do to prevent it from happening.


Transparency between headmins/admins :
https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=510992#p510992
Spoiler:
I would happily discuss most topics in admin bus as long as sensitive information isn’t involved in which a player or administrator would be affected. Because let’s be honest, there’s no reason to hide such things if it won’t cause issues to any member of TG.



Ban Lengths :
https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=510995#p510995
Spoiler:
I agree that some bans have been thrown too harshly and I have been guilty of this too. You’re absolutely right that bans are reform tools, a slap on the wrist so the player learns to follow the rules next time (hopefully).

An idea I have at the moment would be to discuss this if I get elected in adminbus with the admins, to remind us all of the original purpose of the banning tool. We shouldn’t be too hard on people that commit legitimate mistakes and neither should we be harsh on people that admit their fault after a conversation in admin help.


do you do anything besides 2dspessmens:
https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=510997#p510997
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I currently don’t have a job, and I mostly dedicate my time to ss13, drawing or playing any videogame of my choosing.

This is also another reason why I’m running; it helps to have a headmin with lots of free time.


regarding oranges:
https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=510998#p510998
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I don’t think the codebase and the administration should be separated since we’re in the same community of people that love this game. Oranges is a good person, even if a bit stubborn at times.

I’m perfectly fine with him being an electoral manager since he isn’t biased towards anyone and he’s a trustworthy person.


What's your timezone? :
https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=511000#p511000
Spoiler:
Central Standard time here


Security protections and responsibilities :
https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=511013#p511013
Spoiler:
You should ahelp situations like this, security shouldn’t be stunbatoning everyone ‘’for fun’’ and breaking things. They’re held to a higher standard than other jobs like the head of staffs because they are also protected more than normal (You can’t kill security for doing their job coming to mind for this).

Now, to each proposal:

1) Again, security has this protection because they’re held to a higher standard.
2) This is unacceptable behavior but sure, maybe we could add a more clear ruling on it in security policy.

To your questions: Yes, it’s an issue if this is going unpunished. I agree with the second solution partially, but not entirely.

I would resolve it with a more clear ruling in security precedents for it, and offer the idea to the players before running it for a test.


which server do you play/admin:
https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=511380#p511380
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I admin on terry, event hall, and bagil. Then i play on bagil, terry, and sybil sometimes when I want to chill.


Question number one by tinodrima7020:

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tinodrima7020 wrote:
If you left the /tg/ discord and vowed to quit tg's SS13 server only to return a week later as an admin, why do you think you'd be able to handle being a headmin any better?



To explain this, I first need to say the reason why I left.

The day in which I stated that and left was one in which I was in a terrible mental state after being harassed nonstop by a player. I’m a very emotional person and while this position has taught me to control my emotions, I broke down after being exposed to the same repeated treatment by the same person over months.

I thought it was my duty to resist this as an admin, and to restrict myself from showing any kind of sadness or anger at the situation so I eventually got to the breaking point in which I couldn’t resist any longer. I love adminning, so this was a painful choice to make for me but the only one that seemed like the obvious choice at the moment because reporting this to the headmins scared me out of fear of being told to not be such a crybaby over the situation or that it was fine for me to be attacked by them for the sole reason that I was an administrator.

I left while extremely depressed, with dark thoughts and feeling like garbage, that I was weak and not strong enough to ignore them. Eventually, I talked with my friends that changed my mind and made me realize that the only thing I was truly guilty off was not reporting it out of fear. Said person got banned for their actions, and I felt safe to return at that point.

Now, to your question: Being a head administrator is extremely stressful, you have to deal now with a team to which you’re the manager of and a community that looks up at you as a leader. I am absolutely certain I can handle this and I’m not afraid of some idiots that I do not know telling me bad words without any fundament or reasoning behind them.

My desire to help members of /tg/ that have been harassed is strong, and I want to put the rules to clearly define them to avoid this happening at all anymore; I want to be in the position to help not for the fancy title or anything else. And I would gladly accept the responsibility knowing that I’m helping people from being attacked again.


Question number two by TribeOfBeavers:
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TribeOfBeavers wrote:Hi I just had some questions about your proposed mentor system (assuming you chose to move forward with it)

What would the responsibilities of mentors be in your system?
What would they bring to the table that isn't currently adequately handled by our current system of having admins answer those questions?
What problem would be solved by adding them?
How would they be selected? By application or hand picked?
Can you give an example of a situation where you would make someone a mentor rather than an admin (other than them not wanting to be an admin)?


A. Mentors would be in charge of replying any questions concerning game mechanics and teaching new players how to play the game. To be specific, the responsibilities would be the following:

-Reply to any mentor tickets that are received if they concern game mechanics
-Respond in a polite manner, if you feel you’re losing your patience then you should take a break
-Play regularly or at least be aware of a decent amount of game mechanics; you won’t really provide much help if things have changed drastically over the past days.

And that’s about it

B. The system I have on mind would assign mentors to new players too to teach them how to play the game via a button. A notification would pop up stating ‘’Player X is requiring a mentor!’’, if you click on it you would orbit them and a mentor ticket would open.

I think the extra help would be useful to administrators, so they can focus on more important tickets. Plus, helping new players is always nice.

C. New players would have a teacher of sorts available to learn the game, something that admins can’t really do since we have to be on multiple things at the same time.

D. Both actually! I would like there to be a head mentor, mentor trainers and an application to inform the staff of your interest similar to the one we have now for admins.

E. Someone that has recent bad record in the game that makes them ineligible to be an administrator or that still are too new but have enough knowledge to be a mentor.


Question number three by Malkraz:

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Malkraz wrote:
Are you still running on those escalation changes from the last election


No, but I'm interested in implementing Hulkamania proposed escalation for a week to see the results.


Question number four by Wesoda25:

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wesoda25 wrote:My largest criticism (possibly only) of your campaign is, by FAR, your stance on catgirls. Enabling them for a short period of time would completely discredit the vote result and the majority of tg players who voted for it. If other headmins somehow agreed, it would completely violate the communities trust in both you, and player votes. Your seeming willingness to pursue such a path would leave me to believe that you do not understand the issue of catgirls, and why this compromise was done (and why it was such a good one, even if everyone gave headmins shit for it). When the issue of catgirls inevitably does arise during your term, how can we trust you to make the right decisions regarding this issue?


You do rise an absolutely valid point, and it is not my intention to ignore the vote completely or ignore the community wishes. However, we recently had a new large influx of players and I noticed most of them have expressed an interest in playing as a felinid or at least having a slot for it.

It seems you’re mistaken however and you think I would re-enable them immediately if the other headmins approved and the head coder: In reality I want to make another vote to see if the difference is much larger this time due to the new players, so I can re-enable them for a short time for them to get their slots.

I have in mind a vote along the lines of:

Would you like for felinids to be re-enabled for a limited time so the new large quantity of players gets access to it?


I apologize in advance for seeming rude and ignoring of the community wishes concerning that vote. I didn’t notice I appeared to be doing so, and I’m certainly at fault.


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Feel free to contact me if you want your question to be anonymous through forum pms or discord: MortoSasye#0003

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Re: [MortoSasye] - Aw shet here we go again

Postby Arianya » Sun Aug 25, 2019 9:14 am #509953

MortoSasye wrote:Other extras I’m interested in working on:

- Community events like movie nights with a special role for it
- Continuing the community meetings since they’re an important platform for players to voice their concerns and ideas
- Considering adding mentors to our staff (Not entirely convinced yet)
- Adding a channel for suggestions named #suggestions and #suggestions-discussion over discord where people can vote if they like an idea proposed by a player.


What criteria would you use to vet mentors? Given the lack of seperation in the code currently, would you be okay with people not deemed sufficient for admin candidate having access to asay/notes/IPs/etc.

What is your intention with popular suggestions? Obviously I don't expect you to slavishly follow the updoots but if for example, a very popular suggestion was akin to "turn off bagil", how would you handle this in such a way that you aren't seen to be disregarding the players?


Event banning:
https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=509895#p509895
Spoiler:
If you announce that an event will be done beforehand and a player is purposely griefing it (Trying to kill the event characters as a non antag, flooding the hallway with plasma where a part of it is developing, etc) then it would be fine by me if their character got immediately deleted and they got warned.



This already exists in our rules, though in a more generic form as "fucking with event characters will get you bwoink'd" - is your only change the specific wording or did you have more in mind?

felinids:
https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=509897#p509897
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I would love to re-enable them temporarily so the new players get access to them.



While obviously you're not bound by the agreement in so far as it was made by previous headmins, there was an agreement that headmins wouldn't re-enable access as part of the compromise that was reached. Are you willing to go to blows with oranges over this?

Current state of policy discussion:
https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=509891#p509891
Spoiler:
I'm not going to lie and say that I will resolve them as quickly as possible or on a determined schedule because many factors weight into this, one of them being that each decision has to be approved by at least two of the headmins and real life as well as other things get in the way.


Less as a question and more a general tip, but it's good sense to get all 3 headmins views before ruling on policy discussions. 2 may be enough to carry the decision but it's generally well advised to hear out all headmins and consider their opinions. This both helps give you a more rounded view and to temper possible extreme opinions.

Current state of ban appeals:
https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=509892#p509892
Spoiler:
If an admin doesn't reply to an appeal for a long time (more than a week) then I would contact them asking if it's ok to handle their appeal for them.



As a little hypothetical, the admin says "ah, yeah, I'll get to it tomorrow" but then the appeal sits for another week. What do you do at this point?
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Re: [MortoSasye] - Aw shet here we go again

Postby MortoSasye » Sun Aug 25, 2019 10:10 pm #510109

A. Hi, I had in mind the following:

-Players who want to be mentors but denied being admins would be offered this position instead
-A good record wouldn’t be needed since mentors wouldn’t be in charge of administrative decisions, only replying questions concerning game mechanics
-Instead of 1000 connections, 700 would be best as long as they have a good knowledge of the game.

However, the reason why this is still an afterthought it’s because we don’t have the tools to implement such a system currently and I lack any knowledge in programming to set myself to such a task and I certainly do not wish to risk mentors having access to IPs or players records.

B. With popular suggestions, I would bring them to the table in adminbus to discuss it with my fellow administrators if it concerns us (People wanting a rule added, etc). Obviously, if they’re too outlandish (Enable erp funny meme xdxdxd) then they would be immediately discarded, with an explanation about why it was in suggestions-discussion.

C. I would discuss this with oranges in adminbus with the other head admins, I just believe that letting new players have access to felinids would be nice considering the increase in our playerbase.

D. Thanks for sharing your knowledge, I will keep it on mind!

E. If the admin refuses to reply to it again I would take over the appeal to solve it myself if the other headmins are ok with it, or come to a resolution with the three of them.
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Postby angelstarri » Sun Aug 25, 2019 10:43 pm #510127

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Re: [MortoSasye] - Aw shet here we go again

Postby tinodrima7020 » Sun Aug 25, 2019 10:43 pm #510128

If you left the /tg/ discord and vowed to quit tg's SS13 server only to return a week later as an admin, why do you think you'd be able to handle being a headmin any better?
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Re: [MortoSasye] - Aw shet here we go again

Postby Reeeee » Sun Aug 25, 2019 11:36 pm #510145

Dead/OOchat salt is hilarious and entertaining.
To ban this is to prevent people from venting it out and then it fucking escalates anyway to worse matters and prevents you from gauging it as admin. Nevermind the OOC copypastes to giggle at.
But you do you.

Mentors are based idea.

Cool dude, doesn't remov cats.

Having now read and understood all admeme threads, you have no other option but literally this guy. Or you can start a fight by voting for someone else. Maybe Luke Gadow, but he's a meme and has no experience so that's a thing.

Good luck.

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Re: [MortoSasye] - Aw shet here we go again

Postby MortoSasye » Sun Aug 25, 2019 11:44 pm #510149

tinodrima7020 wrote:If you left the /tg/ discord and vowed to quit tg's SS13 server only to return a week later as an admin, why do you think you'd be able to handle being a headmin any better?


To explain this, I first need to say the reason why I left.

The day in which I stated that and left was one in which I was in a terrible mental state after being harassed nonstop by a player. I’m a very emotional person and while this position has taught me to control my emotions, I broke down after being exposed to the same repeated treatment by the same person over months.

I thought it was my duty to resist this as an admin, and to restrict myself from showing any kind of sadness or anger at the situation so I eventually got to the breaking point in which I couldn’t resist any longer. I love adminning, so this was a painful choice to make for me but the only one that seemed like the obvious choice at the moment because reporting this to the headmins scared me out of fear of being told to not be such a crybaby over the situation or that it was fine for me to be attacked by them for the sole reason that I was an administrator.

I left while extremely depressed, with dark thoughts and feeling like garbage, that I was weak and not strong enough to ignore them. Eventually, I talked with my friends that changed my mind and made me realize that the only thing I was truly guilty off was not reporting it out of fear. Said person got banned for their actions, and I felt safe to return at that point.

Now, to your question: Being a head administrator is extremely stressful, you have to deal now with a team to which you’re the manager of and a community that looks up at you as a leader. I am absolutely certain I can handle this and I’m not afraid of some idiots that I do not know telling me bad words without any fundament or reasoning behind them.

My desire to help members of /tg/ that have been harassed is strong, and I want to put the rules to clearly define them to avoid this happening at all anymore; I want to be in the position to help not for the fancy title or anything else. And I would gladly accept the responsibility knowing that I’m helping people from being attacked again.

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Having now read and understood all admeme threads, you have no other option but literally this guy. Or you can start a fight by voting for someone else. Maybe Luke Gadow, but he's a meme and has no experience so that's a thing.

Good luck.

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Postby PKPenguin321 » Mon Aug 26, 2019 5:49 am #510263

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tinodrima7020 wrote:If you left the /tg/ discord and vowed to quit tg's SS13 server only to return a week later as an admin, why do you think you'd be able to handle being a headmin any better?


To explain this, I first need to say the reason why I left.

The day in which I stated that and left was one in which I was in a terrible mental state after being harassed nonstop by a player. I’m a very emotional person and while this position has taught me to control my emotions, I broke down after being exposed to the same repeated treatment by the same person over months.

I thought it was my duty to resist this as an admin, and to restrict myself from showing any kind of sadness or anger at the situation so I eventually got to the breaking point in which I couldn’t resist any longer. I love adminning, so this was a painful choice to make for me but the only one that seemed like the obvious choice at the moment because reporting this to the headmins scared me out of fear of being told to not be such a crybaby over the situation or that it was fine for me to be attacked by them for the sole reason that I was an administrator.

I left while extremely depressed, with dark thoughts and feeling like garbage, that I was weak and not strong enough to ignore them. Eventually, I talked with my friends that changed my mind and made me realize that the only thing I was truly guilty off was not reporting it out of fear. Said person got banned for their actions, and I felt safe to return at that point.

Now, to your question: Being a head administrator is extremely stressful, you have to deal now with a team to which you’re the manager of and a community that looks up at you as a leader. I am absolutely certain I can handle this and I’m not afraid of some idiots that I do not know telling me bad words without any fundament or reasoning behind them.

My desire to help members of /tg/ that have been harassed is strong, and I want to put the rules to clearly define them to avoid this happening at all anymore; I want to be in the position to help not for the fancy title or anything else. And I would gladly accept the responsibility knowing that I’m helping people from being attacked again.

This is a really well written response, but, and this is for your sake, I don't think you should be a head admin. You have to put up with a lot more shit than you do as a standard admin, the type of shit that regular admins don't even want to think about handling and pass off until it reaches the higher ups (and in this case, "the higher ups" would be you). For a lot of people this leads to outright burnout; everybody has a tolerance, and even if you don't let it get to you on a personal level, it still wears down your willingness to continue being active. In your case, you've already had a pretty significant case where you felt attacked pretty personally without even being a head admin. I'm glad you were able to feel safe enough after that to come back to adminning, but with that in mind, I don't think the amount of stress you'll have to face as a head admin will do you any favors from the perspective of mental health. It doesn't help that lately we've had to deal with several cases of doxxing, metagangs, and more that push the stress levels up even higher.

If you do by some chance win, I will feel genuinely sorry for you, but at the same time I will wish you luck. On that note, remember that if you get overwhelmed, you can totally resign and hand off the position to somebody else; people have done it in the past for a variety of reasons, and nobody would judge you for it (nobody important, anyways). That's all.
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Postby wubli » Mon Aug 26, 2019 6:57 am #510276

MortoSasye wrote:Now, to your question: Being a head administrator is extremely stressful, you have to deal now with a team to which you’re the manager of and a community that looks up at you as a leader. I am absolutely certain I can handle this and I’m not afraid of some idiots that I do not know telling me bad words without any fundament or reasoning behind them.

I'm going to be extremely honest here: it will affect you more than you think.
I am a very sensitive and emotional person. I have cried because of some of the stuff I had to deal with as a headmin, and the backlash it got me, mostly from people who didn't take their time to gather information before snapping at me.
Now, I'm posting this because I think people would've said the same thing about me if I were to show how it affects me at times. I have learned to take a step back whenever I felt bad, and come back when I was feeling better.
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Postby MortoSasye » Mon Aug 26, 2019 11:31 am #510352

Thanks to both of you, your concerns are certainly heard and won't be dismissed. However, I wish to put your mind to ease by stating that this happened to me because it was non stop harassment from one person that I thought I had to deal with due to being an admin.

Normally, I don't get affected by any of this as shown by my day to day adminning in which I have been told repeatedly slurs or people telling me to kill myself. I'm willing to prove I can handle the position, one that I think I'm capable of holding due to my already present love for administrating in all of its forms.
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Postby TribeOfBeavers » Mon Aug 26, 2019 12:36 pm #510362

Hi I just had some questions about your proposed mentor system (assuming you chose to move forward with it)

What would the responsibilities of mentors be in your system?
What would they bring to the table that isn't currently adequately handled by our current system of having admins answer those questions?
What problem would be solved by adding them?
How would they be selected? By application or hand picked?
Can you give an example of a situation where you would make someone a mentor rather than an admin (other than them not wanting to be an admin)?

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Postby MortoSasye » Mon Aug 26, 2019 2:20 pm #510380

TribeOfBeavers wrote:Hi I just had some questions about your proposed mentor system (assuming you chose to move forward with it)

What would the responsibilities of mentors be in your system?
What would they bring to the table that isn't currently adequately handled by our current system of having admins answer those questions?
What problem would be solved by adding them?
How would they be selected? By application or hand picked?
Can you give an example of a situation where you would make someone a mentor rather than an admin (other than them not wanting to be an admin)?


A. Mentors would be in charge of replying any questions concerning game mechanics and teaching new players how to play the game. To be specific, the responsibilities would be the following:

-Reply to any mentor tickets that are received if they concern game mechanics
-Respond in a polite manner, if you feel you’re losing your patience then you should take a break
-Play regularly or at least be aware of a decent amount of game mechanics; you won’t really provide much help if things have changed drastically over the past days.

And that’s about it

B. The system I have on mind would assign mentors to new players too to teach them how to play the game via a button. A notification would pop up stating ‘’Player X is requiring a mentor!’’, if you click on it you would orbit them and a mentor ticket would open.

I think the extra help would be useful to administrators, so they can focus on more important tickets. Plus, helping new players is always nice.

C. New players would have a teacher of sorts available to learn the game, something that admins can’t really do since we have to be on multiple things at the same time.

D. Both actually! I would like there to be a head mentor, mentor trainers and an application to inform the staff of your interest similar to the one we have now for admins.

E. Someone that has recent bad record in the game that makes them ineligible to be an administrator or that still are too new but have enough knowledge to be a mentor.
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Postby Reeeee » Mon Aug 26, 2019 4:23 pm #510421

MortoSasye wrote: The system I have on mind would assign mentors to new players too to teach them how to play the game via a button. A notification would pop up stating ‘’Player X is requiring a mentor!’’, if you click on it you would orbit them and a mentor ticket would open.

I would apply to such role, provided there is no REQUIREMENT to help someone at that specific time if i have other stuff it'd rather do at that specific moment nor any quota to fill. I play lowpop seemingly a lot; I have no issue tossing that aside to help someone git gud. Observing a round is a thing that people do and if it's greenshift, people will get mentored if for nothing else than just out of plain boredom or because they don't feel like golems on Nuclear Rounds.
I imagine not a lot of people would be outright against being one and I fail to see any reason against this to be implemented.

Then again, i am a fucking caustic player and will call people nerds on drop of a hat, so maybe it'll get denied on my part.
It would be a nice option to be applied to a large amount of people with little requirement as long as they are not like me, since some mentoring is better than none and literally everyone is able to do it after a month of playtime and if it's like i assume ahelps are, visible to all relevant people, you could butt in as collective knowledge if something is said that is objectively wrong while someone mentoring does not know about it. Sense of community and all that, less validing for no raisins since you know playerbase will help you when you ask them to and OOC discussion nobody can scream "N WORD" or "ICK OCK" in for no other reason than that they can is perfect for making people less scared to join in on the stuff and not act retarded about simple matters since you know people really aren't fucking cunts, just acting like it because they are allowed to for (questionable) comedic value. I am guilty of this.
Usually new players join and are instantly called to be banned by OOC or other such jokes and that's kinda nothin that needs to be moderated IMO, just have its impact lessened by you being able to ask people about stuff like "are these people serious in OOC" who are mandated to help you if they reply.
Add a big red text for it too at roundstart while at it.

That being said;

Mortoman is actually invested in his Headmincy and responds to his thread at times relevant to me, reflecting relevant times to be heard and seen because I die without attention.
Makes an effort in showing he is based in reality, opinionated and willing to discuss and has stuff he cares about without being fanatical about it and actually spent effort on this thread, doesn't get triggered by shitposts and is open about this being hard on the soul and being a real human bean who wants to make community more open and fun without trying to force feed opinions or rule changes that lead to pissing matches because he knows it helps no one.

Not that anyone else of the candidates seems care all too much what they are saying in their posts to defend their opinions against all comers without being salty, or drive some agenda that is contested to the point of slapfights or have a requirement of changing TG to become entirely different entity that can never happen in one term without everyone agreeing to them, so I guess there literally is only Morto to vote for.

Or we spend next headmin term suffering said slapfights and half measures being forced nobody asked for or wanted to being implemented becasue MUH HEADMINCY and MUH PLATFORM promises needing to be filled with people just quitting and fracturing the community as a result.
He's offering solutions to problems, not more problems to be solved and fought over.
We are always suffering from community fracturing stuff near constantly with code changes, good and bad, anyway since people hate change so why not have a headmin that is chill about the whole Headmin thing and wants to implement minimal positive changes instead of contested issues while being invested in his efforts to be one.
A stable anchor for the playerbase to look at and agree "he is not being a dick about it" at minimum.

Morto offers stability and chilled realism we can rely on in his promises, not a fight for stuff nobody really wants to see happen in decision making process at higher levels to curry votes. He cares and spent and spends effort at being a reliable contender for all for the role of Emperor of Autism for a term.

Moderate headmin to moderate stuff, what more can you ask?

Drain the swamp, don't make it about "muh opinion and platform", make it about everyone having more fun in autistic shit game that's running in terrible engine by choosing the moderate when you vote.

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Postby MortoSasye » Mon Aug 26, 2019 4:41 pm #510425

Thank you so much for the support, I appreciate it a lot from the bottom of my heart and I would make this post longer if it wasn't because i'm phone posting. ❤
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Postby Timonk » Mon Aug 26, 2019 7:48 pm #510474

I'm sorry if that sounds rude, but, don't you have a bad temper? I mean, I like you as a person, but you're one of the only admins I've seen having an outburst, if you can call it that. I can see it ending unwell when you're headmin
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Postby MortoSasye » Mon Aug 26, 2019 8:52 pm #510492

Timonk wrote:I'm sorry if that sounds rude, but, don't you have a bad temper? I mean, I like you as a person, but you're one of the only admins I've seen having an outburst, if you can call it that. I can see it ending unwell when you're headmin


I don't consider myself as having a bad temper, nor do I remember any occasion in which I lost it and if I ever did this I personally apologize, it must have been a day in which I was really bad emotionally and committed the mistake of adminning while being in that state.
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Postby Whoneedspacee » Mon Aug 26, 2019 9:07 pm #510497

The day in which I stated that and left was one in which I was in a terrible mental state after being harassed nonstop by a player. I’m a very emotional person and while this position has taught me to control my emotions, I broke down after being exposed to the same repeated treatment by the same person over months.


Pretty much the key reason I don't think you should be a headmin yet, and at the very least need more experience since you've played the game for less time than even I have, and I would consider myself quite new and inexperienced (though you would definitely be better than me at being any form of admin).

You're improving at a fast rate and put a lot of work into being an admin, but being a headmin is far more stressful than being a player as other headmins have mentioned before, owning a discord server and being an admin on a discord server are very different things as well, and you'll be one of the figureheads of a community beacon like that, and have to deal with annoyances for 6 months.

6 months is a very long time, from at least now till march, you'll be pretty much fully involved in making decisions daily that will make many people mad at you. If you look back and think this term felt quite long, it'll probably feel twice or even thrice as long if you're one of the headmins.

I sense a different maturity in successful headmins at the very least, the one where they can keep going even when it gets tough and everything is a pile of shit, I'm not so sure you're at that point yet. Not to say that I'm the bringer of wisdom and know you won't be successful, just my opinion when I imagine you as being headmin.

Though when looking at the other candidates you might honestly end up being my top pick anyways.

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Postby Malkraz » Mon Aug 26, 2019 9:11 pm #510499

Are you still running on those escalation changes from the last election
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Postby MortoSasye » Mon Aug 26, 2019 9:31 pm #510503

Whoneedspacee wrote:
The day in which I stated that and left was one in which I was in a terrible mental state after being harassed nonstop by a player. I’m a very emotional person and while this position has taught me to control my emotions, I broke down after being exposed to the same repeated treatment by the same person over months.


Pretty much the key reason I don't think you should be a headmin yet, and at the very least need more experience since you've played the game for less time than even I have, and I would consider myself quite new and inexperienced (though you would definitely be better than me at being any form of admin).

You're improving at a fast rate and put a lot of work into being an admin, but being a headmin is far more stressful than being a player as other headmins have mentioned before, owning a discord server and being an admin on a discord server are very different things as well, and you'll be one of the figureheads of a community beacon like that, and have to deal with annoyances for 6 months.

6 months is a very long time, from at least now till march, you'll be pretty much fully involved in making decisions daily that will make many people mad at you. If you look back and think this term felt quite long, it'll probably feel twice or even thrice as long if you're one of the headmins.

I sense a different maturity in successful headmins at the very least, the one where they can keep going even when it gets tough and everything is a pile of shit, I'm not so sure you're at that point yet. Not to say that I'm the bringer of wisdom and know you won't be successful, just my opinion when I imagine you as being headmin.

Though when looking at the other candidates you might honestly end up being my top pick anyways.


Hi there, thanks for showing worry regarding me, however, I can assure you that I would be fine in the position of head administrator.

Like I said above to wubli and PKPENGUIN, I don’t get affected by day by day hostile behavior from players, as long as it doesn’t turn into harassment from the same person across months with me thinking I can’t do anything about it but run away.

I’m going to be bold here and state that I personally believe at this current moment that having gone through that should be good for me in any case when running for this position: I know now when it’s my breaking point and when enough it’s enough.

I’m willing to accept the responsibility of being a head admin, with all of the stressful situations that will certainly appear, and I want to put your mind to ease by confidently saying that I don’t think it will affect me as much as you may think. Plus, I love adminning; doing more of that is always fun.

However, I’m thankful for you considering me a top choice: I am fully aware that it’s hard to trust I would be able to hold the position after the situation in which I left in a hurry, in a completely broken emotional state. I won’t put that in the past or try to brush it under a rug, instead, I will use this weakness to keep it always on mind and control my emotions better, seeking solutions instead of running away.

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Postby Coconutwarrior97 » Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:06 am #511007

Targeted sustained harassment is very different than having to deal with retards pinging you and calling you names. If Morto says they can handle being headmin, I trust their word. Other than that they seem like a solid option and will be towards the top of my list.

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Postby Arathian » Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:27 am #511012

Morto is a great dude with a good, reliable platform.

Certainly one of my top choices.
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Postby angelstarri » Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:37 pm #511163

Arathian wrote:Morto is a great dude with a good, reliable platform.

Certainly one of my top choices.


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Postby wesoda25 » Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:44 pm #511166

ignore them Arathian.

Anyways I honestly had some of the same doubts that people like wubli voiced about you running, especially cause I’m your friend. But I can tell from this thread alone you really care and really want the position, and you’ll probably he a really good headmin. +1, you’ll be a headmin by the end the election, I’m certain.
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Postby MortoSasye » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:03 pm #511177

Coconutwarrior97 wrote:Targeted sustained harassment is very different than having to deal with retards pinging you and calling you names. If Morto says they can handle being headmin, I trust their word. Other than that they seem like a solid option and will be towards the top of my list.


I said it in admin chatter, but thanks for your support <3

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wesoda25 wrote:ignore them Arathian.

Anyways I honestly had some of the same doubts that people like wubli voiced about you running, especially cause I’m your friend. But I can tell from this thread alone you really care and really want the position, and you’ll probably he a really good headmin. +1, you’ll be a headmin by the end the election, I’m certain.


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Postby wesoda25 » Fri Aug 30, 2019 5:58 am #511541

My largest criticism (possibly only) of your campaign is, by FAR, your stance on catgirls. Enabling them for a short period of time would completely discredit the vote result and the majority of tg players who voted for it. If other headmins somehow agreed, it would completely violate the communities trust in both you, and player votes. Your seeming willingness to pursue such a path would leave me to believe that you do not understand the issue of catgirls, and why this compromise was done (and why it was such a good one, even if everyone gave headmins shit for it). When the issue of catgirls inevitably does arise during your term, how can we trust you to make the right decisions regarding this issue?
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Postby MortoSasye » Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:24 am #511549

wesoda25 wrote:My largest criticism (possibly only) of your campaign is, by FAR, your stance on catgirls. Enabling them for a short period of time would completely discredit the vote result and the majority of tg players who voted for it. If other headmins somehow agreed, it would completely violate the communities trust in both you, and player votes. Your seeming willingness to pursue such a path would leave me to believe that you do not understand the issue of catgirls, and why this compromise was done (and why it was such a good one, even if everyone gave headmins shit for it). When the issue of catgirls inevitably does arise during your term, how can we trust you to make the right decisions regarding this issue?


You do rise an absolutely valid point, and it is not my intention to ignore the vote completely or ignore the community wishes. However, we recently had a new large influx of players and I noticed most of them have expressed an interest in playing as a felinid or at least having a slot for it.

It seems you’re mistaken however and you think I would re-enable them immediately if the other headmins approved and the head coder: In reality I want to make another vote to see if the difference is much larger this time due to the new players, so I can re-enable them for a short time for them to get their slots.

I have in mind a vote along the lines of:

Would you like for felinids to be re-enabled for a limited time so the new large quantity of players gets access to it?


I apologize in advance for seeming rude and ignoring of the community wishes concerning that vote. I didn’t notice I appeared to be doing so, and I’m certainly at fault.
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Postby wesoda25 » Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:31 am #511553

Don’t apologize, I just didn’t know enough about your stance. I’m happy to hear that is your opinion.
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Re: [MortoSasye] - Aw shet here we go again

Postby Reeeee » Fri Aug 30, 2019 1:37 pm #511578

Fuck you for being perfect Morto.
If certain someone didn't have a shoe-in for admin vote, it'd be him.
But he has.

Only real choice if I want both and keep things moving rationally by rational people who share opinions and wont fight over "muh campaign promis" that may or may not be what community wants.
Let's get those Mentors in (hopefully) to improve general player base and not make panicky big changes about stuff that's not finished on code side yet thanks.
Vote Morto.
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Re: [MortoSasye] - Aw shet here we go again

Postby MortoSasye » Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:57 pm #511582

Reeeee wrote:Fuck you for being perfect Morto.
If certain someone didn't have a shoe-in for admin vote, it'd be him.
But he has.

Only real choice if I want both and keep things moving rationally by rational people who share opinions and wont fight over "muh campaign promis" that may or may not be what community wants.
Let's get those Mentors in (hopefully) to improve general player base and not make panicky big changes about stuff that's not finished on code side yet thanks.
Vote Morto.


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Re: [MortoSasye] - #IamWithBird

Postby Nervere » Sun Sep 01, 2019 5:31 am #511926

MortoSasye is an excellent candidate for headmin, and she has my full support.
I've seen some talk in this thread about how Morto wouldn't be a good fit because she's "too sensitive" or whatever, that's complete nonsense.
Morto has endured a LOT of harassment from her detractors in this community, and yet she persevered. I have to say - anyone who thinks she's emotionally weak has not seen what she has had to put up with.
She admins frequently, contributes to policy, trains new admins, and is overall one of the best on the team. She has a ton of experience with the job and I have no doubt this will translate to good leadership.

I'm very impressed with Morto's dedication to answering all of the candidate debates and player questions, as to make sure her stance is clear on important issues.
If you want a headmin who's experienced, honest, and caring: vote for Morto! Seriously, she's one of the best candidates this election, definitely my top pick.

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Re: [MortoSasye] - #IamWithBird

Postby Krusvik » Mon Sep 02, 2019 8:20 am #512141

They have the right heart for this.

Kor always told me to follow my heart.

My heart says this one.
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