Ban appeal [MrWorth] [KluexTheSunborn]

[LimboBaggins]

BYOND account: < http://www.byond.com/members/KluexTheSunborn (It's my second acc, my original is http://www.byond.com/members/LimboBaggins>
Character name: <Jhonny Smith>
Ban type: <Server>
Ban length: <Permanent>
Ban reason: <Multiple counts of Griefing, Teamkilling, and suspected metacomms.>
Time ban was placed: <2019-11-05 15:32:48>
Round ID in which ban was placed: <1685 >
Your side of the story: <So, it was a crash on the LV-624. Me, as a specialist, and my friend, a doctor, went to the nexus to get a disk when another group of marines went the other way. Synth, who was behind the consoles at that time, ordered me to protect the ship, but since I was a flamethrower, I refused, because I was needed at the front. During the printing of the disc, the synth in every possible way reproached the walkie-talkie for any convenient occasion. After getting the disk, when we returned for supplies, I went to the synth to speak with him personally. This conversation did not lead to anything, so I smeared him and went on. After a while, we were declared traitors, but not one marin did not touch us, despite the cries of the synth on the walkie-talkie that they should kill us. After all three disks were in our hands, the last time we went on a ship to replenish supplies in front of the road to the cave. Looking at the cockpit, I noticed that the synth, most likely frightened of us, welded the doors. By then his reproaches had infuriated me so much that I decided to blow up the door to talk with him again. When the door opened, a synth with a knife jumped on us, we had no choice but to protect. I set him on fire and while he was running and screaming, we replenished supplies and moved on. Due to injuries, we returned back, to this moment he was revived. As soon as he woke up, he again began to shout that we were traitors and did not have the right to live. Having smeared him with a knife, we shrugged, deciding to ignore him until the end of the round. We went to the cave, warning the marines to prepare for evacuation, because by the time of the skirmish under the ship there were a lot of losses. Having reached the lake, activating the bomb and dragging it to the cave, we were surrounded by xenomorphs. There were 30 seconds left on the bomb, I told the walkie-talkie to let the marines fly away, because most likely we would not go any further. In response, we only heard "Do not believe them." We waited for some time, warning everyone again, after which we were forced to activate a bomb under the pressure of the enemy. There was an explosion, no one flew away, everyone is unhappy.
At the end or the next round MrWorth wrote that he was getting an admin panel soon. We never found out who he was, maybe that synth. Playing as a xenomorph, I got banned for the above reason. I wanted to challenge the fact of the accusation that I had griefed and timkillil several times, since all that was was the murder of a synth. I did not understand his behavior. In my opinion, synth is an inanimate machine that should NOT dismorale the marines, which is cut off from the group, brew in its closet and order others to shoot someone for their own reasons. I do not hide the fact that I talked with my friend through third-party programs and I admit my guilt about this>
Why you think you should be unbanned: <Enough time has passed since the ban, and I realized that sometimes it’s worth not noticing people like this synth, but just waiting for the end of the round and talking to him in OOC chat, or contact the administration. I fell into it under the pressure of the game’s tension, my supplies were running out, there were fewer and fewer marines, and a piece of iron shouting in your ear, which recommends avoiding, or even shoot you at the first meeting. I also realized that it’s not worth communicating with someone from the game during the round, even if we will exchange some phrases in the game itself.Tho it's more atmospheric and more interesting. This is my first ban, and I promise that I will be a good boi. New year, new me!>

[MrWorth]

Hello, thank you for appealing.

First off:

You were not given a thorough investigation to begin with and I did not prompt you before the ban. Admins were alerted by an ahelp and then a post in #help about you and your friend teamkilling the synth. As there were multiple witnesses and no admins currently available so I quickly got on and banned both you and your friend before I needed to step out.

Now for the logs, the only thing I really need to see is this:

[2019-11-05 14:51:37.625] ATTACK: "Timmy"/(Timmy) has attacked [�Combat Information Center] with [blowtorch] Combat Information Center (52, 62, 2)
[2019-11-05 14:52:09.090] ATTACK: Ivan shetkin/(Jamarion Duncan) has attached the plastic explosives to [�Combat Information Center] Canterbury (52, 60, 2)
[2019-11-05 14:52:25.407] ATTACK: "Timmy"/(Timmy) has attacked KluexTheSunborn/(Jhonny Smith) with [�M5 'Night Raider' survival knife] (INTENT: HELP) (DAMTYE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 100) Combat Information Center (52, 61, 2)
[2019-11-05 14:52:26.745] ATTACK: Ivan shetkin/(Jamarion Duncan) has shot "Timmy"/(Timmy) with [shotgun slug] in Canterbury (52, 58, 2) (NEWHP: 16.5452) Canterbury (52, 58, 2)
[2019-11-05 14:52:26.746] FFATTACK: Ivan shetkin/(Jamarion Duncan) shot "Timmy"/(Timmy) with the shotgun slug in Canterbury (52, 58, 2).
[2019-11-05 14:52:28.862] ATTACK: Ivan shetkin/(Jamarion Duncan) has shot KluexTheSunborn/(Jhonny Smith) with [shotgun slug] in Canterbury (52, 58, 2) (NEWHP: 94.6) Canterbury (52, 58, 2)
[2019-11-05 14:52:28.864] FFATTACK: Ivan shetkin/(Jamarion Duncan) shot KluexTheSunborn/(Jhonny Smith) with the shotgun slug in Canterbury (52, 58, 2).
[2019-11-05 14:52:30.956] ATTACK: Ivan shetkin/(Jamarion Duncan) has shot "Timmy"/(Timmy) with [shotgun slug] in Canterbury (54, 58, 2) (NEWHP: 3.24208) Canterbury (54, 58, 2)
[2019-11-05 14:52:30.957] FFATTACK: Ivan shetkin/(Jamarion Duncan) shot "Timmy"/(Timmy) with the shotgun slug in Canterbury (54, 58, 2).
[2019-11-05 14:52:32.515] ATTACK: Ivan shetkin/(Jamarion Duncan) has attacked "Timmy"/(Timmy) with [�M37A2 pump shotgun (Wielded)] (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -10.0611) Canterbury (54, 59, 2)
[2019-11-05 14:52:33.100] ATTACK: KluexTheSunborn/(Jhonny Smith) has attacked [passenger seat] with [�M240-T incinerator unit (Wielded)] Canterbury (53, 60, 2)
[2019-11-05 14:52:33.701] ATTACK: Ivan shetkin/(Jamarion Duncan) has attacked "Timmy"/(Timmy) with [�M37A2 pump shotgun (Wielded)] (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -17.7392) Canterbury (54, 59, 2)
[2019-11-05 14:52:33.706] ATTACK: Ivan shetkin/(Jamarion Duncan) has shot "Timmy"/(Timmy) with [shotgun slug] in Canterbury (54, 59, 2) (NEWHP: -17.7392) Canterbury (54, 59, 2)
[2019-11-05 14:52:33.707] FFATTACK: Ivan shetkin/(Jamarion Duncan) shot "Timmy"/(Timmy) with the shotgun slug in Canterbury (54, 59, 2).
[2019-11-05 14:52:33.899] ATTACK: KluexTheSunborn/(Jhonny Smith) has attacked "Timmy"/(Timmy) with [�M240-T incinerator unit (Wielded)] (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -39.0298) Canterbury (53, 60, 2)
[2019-11-05 14:52:34.911] ATTACK: Ivan shetkin/(Jamarion Duncan) has attacked "Timmy"/(Timmy) with [�M37A2 pump shotgun (Wielded)] (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -44.9361) Canterbury (54, 59, 2)
[2019-11-05 14:52:35.103] ATTACK: KluexTheSunborn/(Jhonny Smith) has attacked "Timmy"/(Timmy) with [�M240-T incinerator unit (Wielded)] (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -52.6142) Canterbury (53, 60, 2)
[2019-11-05 14:52:36.004] ATTACK: Ivan shetkin/(Jamarion Duncan) has attacked "Timmy"/(Timmy) with [�M37A2 pump shotgun (Wielded)] (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -58.5204) Canterbury (54, 59, 2)
[2019-11-05 14:52:36.007] ATTACK: Ivan shetkin/(Jamarion Duncan) has shot "Timmy"/(Timmy) with [shotgun slug] in Canterbury (54, 59, 2) (NEWHP: -58.5204) Canterbury (54, 59, 2)
[2019-11-05 14:52:36.008] FFATTACK: Ivan shetkin/(Jamarion Duncan) shot "Timmy"/(Timmy) with the shotgun slug in Canterbury (54, 59, 2).
[2019-11-05 14:52:36.315] ATTACK: KluexTheSunborn/(Jhonny Smith) has attacked "Timmy"/(Timmy) with [�M240-T incinerator unit (Wielded)] (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -79.8111) Canterbury (53, 60, 2)
[2019-11-05 14:52:37.205] ATTACK: Ivan shetkin/(Jamarion Duncan) has attacked "Timmy"/(Timmy) with [�M37A2 pump shotgun (Wielded)] (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -85.7173) Canterbury (54, 59, 2)
[2019-11-05 14:52:38.352] ATTACK: Ivan shetkin/(Jamarion Duncan) has attacked "Timmy"/(Timmy) with [�M37A2 pump shotgun (Wielded)] (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -93.3954) Canterbury (54, 59, 2)
[2019-11-05 14:52:38.356] ATTACK: Ivan shetkin/(Jamarion Duncan) has shot "Timmy"/(Timmy) with [shotgun slug] in Canterbury (54, 59, 2) (NEWHP: -93.3954) Canterbury (54, 59, 2)
[2019-11-05 14:52:38.357] FFATTACK: Ivan shetkin/(Jamarion Duncan) shot "Timmy"/(Timmy) with the shotgun slug in Canterbury (54, 59, 2).
[2019-11-05 14:52:38.440] ATTACK: "Timmy"/(Timmy) has seizes up and falls limp... "Timmy"/(Timmy) (NEWHP: -109.493) Canterbury (54, 60, 2)
[2019-11-05 14:52:39.568] ATTACK: Ivan shetkin/(Jamarion Duncan) has attacked "Timmy"/(Timmy) with [�M37A2 pump shotgun (Wielded)] (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -109.493) Canterbury (54, 59, 2)
[2019-11-05 14:52:40.735] ATTACK: Ivan shetkin/(Jamarion Duncan) has attacked "Timmy"/(Timmy) with [�M37A2 pump shotgun (Wielded)] (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -115.252) Canterbury (54, 59, 2)
[2019-11-05 14:52:41.836] ATTACK: Ivan shetkin/(Jamarion Duncan) has attacked "Timmy"/(Timmy) with [�M37A2 pump shotgun (Wielded)] (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -121.011) Canterbury (54, 59, 2)
[2019-11-05 14:52:42.909] ATTACK: Ivan shetkin/(Jamarion Duncan) has attacked "Timmy"/(Timmy) with [�M37A2 pump shotgun (Wielded)] (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -126.769) Canterbury (54, 59, 2)
[2019-11-05 14:52:51.918] ATTACK: "Sukie"/(Sukie Altmann) has grabbed "Timmy"/(Timmy) (NEWHP: -132.528) Canterbury (53, 59, 2)
[2019-11-05 14:53:00.108] ATTACK: Ivan shetkin/(Jamarion Duncan) has grabbed "Timmy"/(Timmy) (NEWHP: -132.528) Canterbury (50, 51, 2)
[2019-11-05 14:53:08.216] ATTACK: "Sukie"/(Sukie Altmann) has grabbed *no key*/(Timmy) (NEWHP: -132.528) Canterbury (55, 47, 2)
[2019-11-05 14:56:41.346] ATTACK: KluexTheSunborn/(Jhonny Smith) has attacked *no key*/(Timmy) with [�M5 'Night Raider' survival knife] (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -45.3879) Canterbury (49, 50, 2)
[2019-11-05 14:56:42.135] ATTACK: KluexTheSunborn/(Jhonny Smith) has attacked *no key*/(Timmy) with [�M5 'Night Raider' survival knife] (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -55.2317) Canterbury (49, 50, 2)
[2019-11-05 14:56:42.897] ATTACK: KluexTheSunborn/(Jhonny Smith) has attacked "Sukie"/(Sukie Altmann) with [�M5 'Night Raider' survival knife] (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 100) Canterbury (49, 50, 2)

Analysis:
Synth tried to weld itself in the CIC, C4 was placed and blown, synth got one knife jab in then got completely destroyed.

You will note that, yes, the Synth did attack first this was in self defense as previously he was threatened with death by you.

Example:

[2019-11-05 14:46:35.017] SAY: "Timmy"/(Timmy) "Jhonny. You seem to have the whole hive ganged up on you two" Combat Information Center (51, 63, 2)
[2019-11-05 14:46:43.766] SAY: KluexTheSunborn/(Jhonny Smith) "And?" Internal Affairs (51, 26, 2)
[2019-11-05 14:46:57.148] SAY: "Timmy"/(Timmy) "Since you cant aim i belive it will be an issue" Combat Information Center (51, 63, 2)
[2019-11-05 14:47:09.227] SAY: KluexTheSunborn/(Jhonny Smith) "I will kill you, not injure now" Internal Affairs (53, 26, 2)

There were a few similar encounters throughout the round. This being the most blatant.

Was the synth being an asshole? Sure
Does that give you reason to murder it? No. That is the basis of the ban.
Did the synth follow all the rules? No, not really. They did ahelp after getting attacked but then they went and retaliated which is against the rules. They were the least bad in this situation.

On the 3rd party metacomms I thank you for your honesty, that is a plus.

I'm going to leave this open to responses for a day or so to let the other admins weigh in on this.

[MrWorth]

It has been longer than I had intended this to stay up for. I am keeping the ban in place as there have been no further responses.