[Doctor Brutality] JackTheLing- Possibly bias judgement
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[Doctor Brutality] JackTheLing- Possibly bias judgement
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[Doctor Brutality] JackTheLing - Possible Bias
Post Content:
When and where this incident occured (Game Server, forums, Discord): Game
Byond account and character name OR Discord name: JackTheLing [Byond]
Admin: Doctor Brutality
ROUND ID HERE IF APPLICABLE: Admins kept restarting round until the Round ID said : Null for some reason
Detailed summary:
Before anything..Half of the "Post Content" is handled in the subject >.>
As a Changeling me and another changeling successfully kidnapped and killed Warden after killing a detective and two security officers TOGETHER without getting caught. I swiftly turned into Warden and got myself implanted without anyone seeing my unimplanted state. My partner went to go on a killing spree while I did it. HoP let me into HoS's locker after I make up some BS about needing HoS's implant case to implant people I confirm are not changelings. I actually wanted it so I can give it to my changeling buddy when he needed to hide from security after his killing spree. Two people come in and subdue me. Despite my attempts at telling them HoP let me in. They say its because Warden was missing for a while and I had LAWYER SHOES ON (This is important for the bullshit to come later so please pay attention to that). After some yelling and arguing. The people of power decided that I was to be let go and those two subdued for some time, which I assume they got let go later. I run out of brig because everyone is edgy and yelling and debating if I am a changeling with guns out. With the lead reason being I had lawyer shoes on, I swear to you. Captain is convinced by these guys and attempts to get me to come to brig and never leave, not arrest me just quarantine me in brig. I see him by vault and offer to give him everything I had that belonged to security including my weapons and my Warden ID. Since I had some weapons and detective's body with his ID stashed anyways. Captain agrees I get demoted to assistant. The manhunt for me is over, I walk past the security officers and no one seems to care about me so I assume the Captain had tipped them off. My power goes out, I wake up critted and handcuffed over the gualg ship which is landing as I'm dying and it gibs me. I report this to Doctor and he ask was a changeling, which I say yes but no one had any proof. He said was I implanted. Which I replied I was. He proclaims he will talk to him but more than likely nothing will come out of it because "this player isn't the type to gib a player for no reason".
He claims the player says he saw me drag the warden out..IN MY LAWYER SUIT. He says the player also claims I broke into HoS's office locker. Which the HoP opened for me. I tell him I wasn't a lawyer and HoP opened the locker for me. He says everything checks out about my death to him and says he'll check the logs anyways. The server suddenly crashes which is also the reason I do not have the round ID. He says its getting to late for him and he is getting off and I should talk to the other admins.
I believe he said I dragged the Warden out with a lawyer suit on because I had lawyer shoes on, which he wouldn't have been able to tell unless he exaimed me. He said I had the suit on because it would look good when he told the admin, because at no time did I have a lawyer suit on during the round. The admin failed to catch this and said he sensed no bullshit.
The reason they said Warden had been missing for so long which was another minor reason they suspected me was because the Warden went afk for a while. Which is the reason we caught him so easily. Since we killed him swifty and took his ID swiftly this is the best reason to explain why they said Warden had been missing for a while.
TTLDR: Doctor Brutality ignores fishy claims in a player's story after he says "this player isn't the type to gib a player for no reason". Even after I showed the holes in it.
[Doctor Brutality] JackTheLing - Possible Bias
Post Content:
When and where this incident occured (Game Server, forums, Discord): Game
Byond account and character name OR Discord name: JackTheLing [Byond]
Admin: Doctor Brutality
ROUND ID HERE IF APPLICABLE: Admins kept restarting round until the Round ID said : Null for some reason
Detailed summary:
Before anything..Half of the "Post Content" is handled in the subject >.>
As a Changeling me and another changeling successfully kidnapped and killed Warden after killing a detective and two security officers TOGETHER without getting caught. I swiftly turned into Warden and got myself implanted without anyone seeing my unimplanted state. My partner went to go on a killing spree while I did it. HoP let me into HoS's locker after I make up some BS about needing HoS's implant case to implant people I confirm are not changelings. I actually wanted it so I can give it to my changeling buddy when he needed to hide from security after his killing spree. Two people come in and subdue me. Despite my attempts at telling them HoP let me in. They say its because Warden was missing for a while and I had LAWYER SHOES ON (This is important for the bullshit to come later so please pay attention to that). After some yelling and arguing. The people of power decided that I was to be let go and those two subdued for some time, which I assume they got let go later. I run out of brig because everyone is edgy and yelling and debating if I am a changeling with guns out. With the lead reason being I had lawyer shoes on, I swear to you. Captain is convinced by these guys and attempts to get me to come to brig and never leave, not arrest me just quarantine me in brig. I see him by vault and offer to give him everything I had that belonged to security including my weapons and my Warden ID. Since I had some weapons and detective's body with his ID stashed anyways. Captain agrees I get demoted to assistant. The manhunt for me is over, I walk past the security officers and no one seems to care about me so I assume the Captain had tipped them off. My power goes out, I wake up critted and handcuffed over the gualg ship which is landing as I'm dying and it gibs me. I report this to Doctor and he ask was a changeling, which I say yes but no one had any proof. He said was I implanted. Which I replied I was. He proclaims he will talk to him but more than likely nothing will come out of it because "this player isn't the type to gib a player for no reason".
He claims the player says he saw me drag the warden out..IN MY LAWYER SUIT. He says the player also claims I broke into HoS's office locker. Which the HoP opened for me. I tell him I wasn't a lawyer and HoP opened the locker for me. He says everything checks out about my death to him and says he'll check the logs anyways. The server suddenly crashes which is also the reason I do not have the round ID. He says its getting to late for him and he is getting off and I should talk to the other admins.
I believe he said I dragged the Warden out with a lawyer suit on because I had lawyer shoes on, which he wouldn't have been able to tell unless he exaimed me. He said I had the suit on because it would look good when he told the admin, because at no time did I have a lawyer suit on during the round. The admin failed to catch this and said he sensed no bullshit.
The reason they said Warden had been missing for so long which was another minor reason they suspected me was because the Warden went afk for a while. Which is the reason we caught him so easily. Since we killed him swifty and took his ID swiftly this is the best reason to explain why they said Warden had been missing for a while.
TTLDR: Doctor Brutality ignores fishy claims in a player's story after he says "this player isn't the type to gib a player for no reason". Even after I showed the holes in it.
- pugie
- Joined: Fri Jun 28, 2019 12:41 pm
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Re: [Doctor Brutality] JackTheLing- Possibly bias judgement
Hi, considering some of my responses to your ticket I felt a complaint was likely so I'll address this here now to try to clear things up and then go to sleep. If you have any other queries post them here I'll try to answer them ASAP, judging by how I responded to your ahelps I'd understand why you'd think I'm biased.
Dealing with lings is tricky, considering you were a ling and you got gibbed for being a ling I merely stated the fact that odds are nothing would come of this because you probably did something that gave you away to them, and because whenever I'm playing the guy who gibs you in question generally make good choices. This doesn't exempt them from being asked about it, the message I sent in quotations was there response to me asking them what happened between you and them.
I had no plans other than fully investigating logs and getting to the bottom of what happened because that's the best call for a situation like this, while I was diving through logs and getting an idea of what happened the server crashed. I wasn't going to come back but decided it would be wrong not to leave you with some answer so I rejoined the server just to tell you to ask another admin to handle this ahelp.
I wasn't going to make a decision on what happened based on the player, if I was then why would I join the server explicitly to tell you to seek another admin to answer your ahelp. If I was biased towards the other player that doesn't make sense.
You were killed while AFK, that sucks, it really does. You were clearly concerned about why you died so I felt giving feedback about what the result of the ticket would be was important to you, telling you odds are nothing would come of the ticket isn't a definite, it's just the situation which you ahelped meant that is what was most likely.
Ultimately, I don't feel I ignored what happened to you, I was actively looking into it going through game and attack logs and asking you and the guy who gibbed you what happened to get a clear picture before I was interrupted by a server crash, decided to hit the hay and explicitly told you to seek out another admin.
Dealing with lings is tricky, considering you were a ling and you got gibbed for being a ling I merely stated the fact that odds are nothing would come of this because you probably did something that gave you away to them, and because whenever I'm playing the guy who gibs you in question generally make good choices. This doesn't exempt them from being asked about it, the message I sent in quotations was there response to me asking them what happened between you and them.
I had no plans other than fully investigating logs and getting to the bottom of what happened because that's the best call for a situation like this, while I was diving through logs and getting an idea of what happened the server crashed. I wasn't going to come back but decided it would be wrong not to leave you with some answer so I rejoined the server just to tell you to ask another admin to handle this ahelp.
I wasn't going to make a decision on what happened based on the player, if I was then why would I join the server explicitly to tell you to seek another admin to answer your ahelp. If I was biased towards the other player that doesn't make sense.
You were killed while AFK, that sucks, it really does. You were clearly concerned about why you died so I felt giving feedback about what the result of the ticket would be was important to you, telling you odds are nothing would come of the ticket isn't a definite, it's just the situation which you ahelped meant that is what was most likely.
Ultimately, I don't feel I ignored what happened to you, I was actively looking into it going through game and attack logs and asking you and the guy who gibbed you what happened to get a clear picture before I was interrupted by a server crash, decided to hit the hay and explicitly told you to seek out another admin.
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Re: [Doctor Brutality] JackTheLing- Possibly bias judgement
Anyone with a brain could tell you were against me from the beginning. It was obvious your initial thought about the ticket was it was valid because you knew how a certain player operates. Post the adminhelp logs.pugie wrote:Hi, considering some of my responses to your ticket I felt a complaint was likely so I'll address this here now to try to clear things up and then go to sleep. If you have any other queries post them here I'll try to answer them ASAP, judging by how I responded to your ahelps I'd understand why you'd think I'm biased.
Dealing with lings is tricky, considering you were a ling and you got gibbed for being a ling I merely stated the fact that odds are nothing would come of this because you probably did something that gave you away to them, and because whenever I'm playing the guy who gibs you in question generally make good choices. This doesn't exempt them from being asked about it, the message I sent in quotations was there response to me asking them what happened between you and them.
I had no plans other than fully investigating logs and getting to the bottom of what happened because that's the best call for a situation like this, while I was diving through logs and getting an idea of what happened the server crashed. I wasn't going to come back but decided it would be wrong not to leave you with some answer so I rejoined the server just to tell you to ask another admin to handle this ahelp.
I wasn't going to make a decision on what happened based on the player, if I was then why would I join the server explicitly to tell you to seek another admin to answer your ahelp. If I was biased towards the other player that doesn't make sense.
You were killed while AFK, that sucks, it really does. You were clearly concerned about why you died so I felt giving feedback about what the result of the ticket would be was important to you, telling you odds are nothing would come of the ticket isn't a definite, it's just the situation which you ahelped meant that is what was most likely.
Ultimately, I don't feel I ignored what happened to you, I was actively looking into it going through game and attack logs and asking you and the guy who gibbed you what happened to get a clear picture before I was interrupted by a server crash, decided to hit the hay and explicitly told you to seek out another admin.
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Re: [Doctor Brutality] JackTheLing- Possibly bias judgement
To clarify that this is available, DoctorBrutality should be able to use the recently merged replays to look back at this round and see what clothing you were wearing if relevant.
Oranges or MSO should be able to clarify how to use them if you so wished.
Oranges or MSO should be able to clarify how to use them if you so wished.
- Vekter
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Re: [Doctor Brutality] JackTheLing- Possibly bias judgement
Last I checked, replays are slightly broken currently due to our GitHub repo being down.
AliasTakuto wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 1:11 pm As for the ear replacing stuff, you can ask Anne but I don't think this is what I was banned for. If I was all I can say is "Sorry for being hilarious"...
Omega_DarkPotato wrote:This sucks, dude.
Spoiler:
- pugie
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Re: [Doctor Brutality] JackTheLing- Possibly bias judgement
I'm sorry you feel that way gamer, but I wasn't against you. My initial impressions were that he probably just assumed you were valid because no right minded player gibs someone in a shift with lings without assuming there are lings, but again I was checking this out fully before server crash, after which I realised I was tired & PM'd you to get another admin who was online to pursue it. You didn't do that though and seem more concerned that I'm biased, which I'm honestly not, you just got the wrong impression.NewJackTheLing wrote:Anyone with a brain could tell you were against me from the beginning. It was obvious your initial thought about the ticket was it was valid because you knew how a certain player operates. Post the adminhelp logs.
Spoiler:
Anyways, I'm not sure what proof I can offer to you that I'm not biased other than I was going through all logs and getting both sides of what happened before server crashed, I'd say I've argued my side well so there isn't much I can do to remedy your negative impressions of me .
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Re: [Doctor Brutality] JackTheLing- Possibly bias judgement
A pair of lace up shoes does not even come close to a proper outing as a changeling. How such a thing could even be used as a proper reason for killing an implanted Warden is beyond me. There was more proof and stronger proof that I was a Warden rather than a changeling. I can give you my entire killing history during that roundpugie wrote:I'm sorry you feel that way gamer, but I wasn't against you. My initial impressions were that he probably just assumed you were valid because no right minded player gibs someone in a shift with lings without assuming there are lings, but again I was checking this out fully before server crash, after which I realised I was tired & PM'd you to get another admin who was online to pursue it. You didn't do that though and seem more concerned that I'm biased, which I'm honestly not, you just got the wrong impression.NewJackTheLing wrote:Anyone with a brain could tell you were against me from the beginning. It was obvious your initial thought about the ticket was it was valid because you knew how a certain player operates. Post the adminhelp logs.
Ok, in conclusion what happened was you were seen batoning the warden away and came back in an incomplete disguise. By your own admission there was suspicions of you being a ling & Captain ruled you as not a ling, but IC this doesn't matter as you were outed as a ling by your own admission of leaving laceup shoes on. This was a ling shift so your execution was valid, Captain's ruling doesn't factor into things this wasn't on our MRP server. I hope that clears things up.Spoiler:
Anyways, I'm not sure what proof I can offer to you that I'm not biased other than I was going through all logs and getting both sides of what happened before server crashed, I'd say I've argued my side well so there isn't much I can do to remedy your negative impressions of me .
Killed a detective, dragged him to theatre where a paramedic opened the door and exposed me but not before I could get the absorb and run from the borg and security probably responding to the paramedic's call for help. Killed detective near security and dragged him into security maintenance where I called for another changeling to team up since I THOUGHT raiding security and killing Warden would be hard. ( think I killed another security officer with him but I am not sure so I wont add it but of course you guys have the logs ). Ran into security ready to kill prisoners, HoS, HoP, Captain, Other security officers, Warden and anything that moved. Was surprised to find the warden afk and one lonely prisoner, stunned him, dragged him into maintenance. Killed him and absorbed him with changeling buddy and after he goes on a killing spree. Get implanted as Warden with no one seeing me unimplanted and you know the rest.
If any other admin believes that the lawyer shoes gave me away, they can close this complaint with my permission, instantly. Since I'm actually not mad anymore and was pretty much just pissed because I lost a changeling round and how the admin responded to this
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Re: [Doctor Brutality] JackTheLing- Possibly bias judgement
Replays are currently unusable because our repo is down (the system pulls icons from there).bobbahbrown wrote:To clarify that this is available, DoctorBrutality should be able to use the recently merged replays to look back at this round and see what clothing you were wearing if relevant.
Oranges or MSO should be able to clarify how to use them if you so wished.
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Re: [Doctor Brutality] JackTheLing- Possibly bias judgement
Yeah whatever nerf this. Close this complaint
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Re: [Doctor Brutality] JackTheLing- Possibly bias judgement
Hey, I am the player who gibbed you.
I saw you mindshield yourself as a warden and that ultimately gave you away.
The shoes and laser pointer were only used to prove it to the captain/hop/random officers in brig.
I saw you mindshield yourself as a warden and that ultimately gave you away.
The shoes and laser pointer were only used to prove it to the captain/hop/random officers in brig.
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Re: [Doctor Brutality] JackTheLing- Possibly bias judgement
Bullshit no you did not, no one was in the brig and I almost immediatly did it.Archanial wrote:Hey, I am the player who gibbed you.
I saw you mindshield yourself as a warden and that ultimately gave you away.
The shoes and laser pointer were only used to prove it to the captain/hop/random officers in brig.
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Re: [Doctor Brutality] JackTheLing- Possibly bias judgement
mso just said to edit the viewer so it points at the index of my fork or his fork as we have perfect copies of the tgstation repoDenton wrote:Replays are currently unusable because our repo is down (the system pulls icons from there).bobbahbrown wrote:To clarify that this is available, DoctorBrutality should be able to use the recently merged replays to look back at this round and see what clothing you were wearing if relevant.
Oranges or MSO should be able to clarify how to use them if you so wished.
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Re: [Doctor Brutality] JackTheLing- Possibly bias judgement
No need, close the complaint
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Re: [Doctor Brutality] JackTheLing- Possibly bias judgement
Complaint retracted by complainant, closing this up.
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