Augmented Person Silicon Policy Discussion

[Timonk]

why and how is a fully augmented person with a robotic voice human? i almost ate a note over that the other week. basically the previous ruling is 5 years old and basically "oog borg is borg human is human human cant be not human"

(this is my second attempt at posting this please approve it)

[Armhulen]

I would love a tool or hud overlay that just plain told AIs what counts as human. If we did that, there should be a certain point where genetic and cybernetic modifications make you no longer considered human.

But since this is Policy and not Coding, Yeah I think if you can confirm fully augmented people are actually fully augmented they should not be human

[Ayy Lemoh]

I would love a tool or hud overlay that just plain told AIs what counts as human. If we did that, there should be a certain point where genetic and cybernetic modifications make you no longer considered human.

But since this is Policy and not Coding, Yeah I think if you can confirm fully augmented people are actually fully augmented they should not be human

Too bad changelings and technically abductors (their disguises could be compatible with such an idea though) still exist. Mainly the changelings part.

[NoxVS]

I would love a tool or hud overlay that just plain told AIs what counts as human. If we did that, there should be a certain point where genetic and cybernetic modifications make you no longer considered human.

But since this is Policy and not Coding, Yeah I think if you can confirm fully augmented people are actually fully augmented they should not be human

Too bad changelings and technically abductors (their disguises could be compatible with such an idea though) still exist. Mainly the changelings part.

changelings would be fine since they are already indistinguishable until they use their abilities. abductors are already able to be seen through simply by looking at them, so it wouldnt be a huge issue

[BrotherBeyond]

I thought the current policy was if you scan them with a health scanner and it says anythin other than human, they're not human. Augmented peeps are always human on the health scanner, unless they werent to begin with.

[Armhulen]

I thought the current policy was if you scan them with a health scanner and it says anythin other than human, they're not human. Augmented peeps are always human on the health scanner, unless they werent to begin with.

Which is ridiculous and silly, why is android a species and a human at the same time

[Timonk]

if I brain transplant a human brain into a lizard does that mean the human got augmented with lizard body parts

[NoxVS]

I thought the current policy was if you scan them with a health scanner and it says anythin other than human, they're not human. Augmented peeps are always human on the health scanner, unless they werent to begin with.

Which is ridiculous and silly, why is android a species and a human at the same time

Android =/= Augmented human

Androids are a species obtainable through admin fuckery, the magic mirror (I think), or mutation toxin obtained by botany strange seeds
Augmented humans are created by fully augmenting a human, which results in someone who is still human but has the appearance of an android
Androids and augmented humans look either identical or extremely similar, to the point where you can't tell at a glance
The only real distinguishing features are mechanics (Androids dont need to breathe and are immune to radiation) and voice. Androids speak like a robot, but augmented humans can also have the same voice by swapping out their tongue for the robotic voicebox robotics can get.

[Timonk]

Then how can an ai distinguish them

[Ayy Lemoh]

changelings would be fine since they are already indistinguishable until they use their abilities. abductors are already able to be seen through simply by looking at them, so it wouldnt be a huge issue

The issue with abductors lie less with being obvious (despite all the jokes of abductors being bald people, there is a difference between bald humans and non-humans) and more due to the fact that they need their disguises in order to not be spotted. While the AI already can't track an abductor agent due to their helmet, it would be annoying if you were doing everything perfectly yet got spotted due to the AI having a fucking sixth sense that can detect highly advanced aliens however not changelings.

[Tlaltecuhtli]

if the health scan says its human then its human

[Timonk]

health scan also says monkey men are human yet they arent

[BrotherBeyond]

I would love a tool or hud overlay that just plain told AIs what counts as human. If we did that, there should be a certain point where genetic and cybernetic modifications make you no longer considered human.

As much as I love you Arm, that's fuckin retarded. A big part of antags being successful is just keeping their bloody mouth shut whilst they're wearing a hardsuit or whatever, so silicons cant valid em. And a surprising amount of people have felinid race selected but have tail and ears off, which causes them to become a 'felinid-derived mutant'. That'd show on the HUD or whatever.

[Screemonster]

I would love a tool or hud overlay that just plain told AIs what counts as human. If we did that, there should be a certain point where genetic and cybernetic modifications make you no longer considered human.

As much as I love you Arm, that's fuckin retarded. A big part of antags being successful is just keeping their bloody mouth shut whilst they're wearing a hardsuit or whatever, so silicons cant valid em. And a surprising amount of people have felinid race selected but have tail and ears off, which causes them to become a 'felinid-derived mutant'. That'd show on the HUD or whatever.

so make disguises that cover face show as unknown

if someone's an unknown then you can't identify them one way or the other

[Armhulen]

I would love a tool or hud overlay that just plain told AIs what counts as human. If we did that, there should be a certain point where genetic and cybernetic modifications make you no longer considered human.

As much as I love you Arm, that's fuckin retarded. A big part of antags being successful is just keeping their bloody mouth shut whilst they're wearing a hardsuit or whatever, so silicons cant valid em. And a surprising amount of people have felinid race selected but have tail and ears off, which causes them to become a 'felinid-derived mutant'. That'd show on the HUD or whatever.

so make disguises that cover face show as unknown

if someone's an unknown then you can't identify them one way or the other

agreeable, just needs to have a lot of ambiguity

[Screemonster]

the real trick is that the overlay would act strange if you got laws that redefined "human"

like, coding it to recognise the onehuman board might not be tooooooooo difficult, but the freeform board is where it would get fucky

[Armhulen]

I was thinking more of something on the hud, like medhud. When your laws don't really apply, you can just switch it off.

[PKPenguin321]

health scan also says monkey men are human yet they arent

yes they are

[Timonk]

ok time to rescue the humans out of genetics every round

[PKPenguin321]

ok time to rescue the humans out of genetics every round

go for it

[Armhulen]

monkeys always add good fun to a round.

[Critawakets]

And a surprising amount of people have felinid race selected but have tail and ears off, which causes them to become a 'felinid-derived mutant'. That'd show on the HUD or whatever.

Good. Fuck em, they're literally just banbaiting if they do this.

[NoxVS]

health scan also says monkey men are human yet they arent

If it isn’t controlled by a player it isn’t human.

[cacogen]

something about the ship of nostradamus
theseus

[trollbreeder]

health scan also says monkey men are human yet they arent

If it isn’t controlled by a player it isn’t human.

Sentient monkey is human? Is it like hulk where you lose humanity from one mutation (in this case, monkified)?

[Coconutwarrior97]

While this is ideally something we'd like to see we believe it would create too much of a headache for players/admins to deal with. How many parts replaced with cyborg makes you nonhuman? Where do you draw that line?
Its also pretty difficult to distinguish them from regular humans at times from the sprites we've seen. As it stands we will make no changes to this policy

Headmin Votes:
Coconutwarrior97: Keep policy as is, originally I was for this change but after thinking about it some I realized alot of the potential issues which would arise from it, which I think aren't worth it.
Domitius: Keep policy as is.
Naloac: Keep policy as is.