[Naloac] Shiraizawa - Admeme told to appeal

[Shiraizawa]

BYOND account: Shiraizawa
Character name: Isabelle McConaughey
Ban type: Server ban
Ban length: 30 days
Ban reason: "Told someone to enter brig then when they did, Killed them because they said they *could* not that they should* wasnt on to answer to ticket. Appeal on forums."
Time ban was placed: 2020-11-15 23:20:25
Server you were playing on when banned: The one and only Terry
Round ID in which ban was placed:150375
Your side of the story: I just joined shift as a sec at like the 25th min mark and rushed to brig to get geared up when i heard the AI announce that it got law changes. I reached brig, got me gears up then i heard that someone unscrewed a door's panels. I stood next to brig entrance, saw an atmosian dude that was shouting that AI bad AI rouge and asked if its time to gear up against it. I haphazardly agreed with him, saying that the AI just bolted armoury doors, as it did actually bolt it, but i am not sure, i think it unbolted it right after. Anyways, the atmosian told me to let him in, i said i wont. Then i told him that he could hack in. When he did I stunned him and cuffed. I just wanted to lock him in a cell, but the only one that wasnt breached was already occupied. Thats when another sec came in, dont know who exactly, but their name started with an M. She asked me what he did, i said that he hacked in and she dragged the IV drip with bad blood inside. Theres a bug currently where the IV drip tries to fill anyone to 2kcl blood if its attached, if its bad blood, gives a shitton of toxin. So as she dragged it there, she pointed on it, implying that i should attach it to the guy. I did, then took his cuffs off. Thats when the atmosian started to beat me up, so i stunned him again, cuffed, thrown him into electrified grilles then left him in a chair to die. 2 mins later we all died in sec to plasmaflood.
Why you think you should be unbanned: First of all: I am not a sec player. I am more than happy to be perma-jobbanned from sec as I mainly play as med staff, I mostly heal.
References of good conduct: I wasnt on the server when i got banned, therefore the appeal, also we reported that bug involving the IV drip to an admeme earlier that day, he said he reported it to cooders or what

[Naloac]

Hi thanks for the appeal. Some discrepancies in your appeal though

Ill recount the enter interaction between you and them

He shows up to shout about AI being malf and what hes seen so far

Spoiler:

[2020-11-15 22:29:39.627] SAY: Coastfront/(Jeff Reiter) "SEC" (Starboard Primary Hallway (194,129,2))
[2020-11-15 22:29:43.000] SAY: Coastfront/(Jeff Reiter) "AI MIGHT BE MALF" (Starboard Primary Hallway (194,129,2))
[2020-11-15 22:29:46.172] SAY: Shiraizawa/(Isabelle McConaughey) "cool" (Brig (201,126,2))
[2020-11-15 22:29:49.620] SAY: Coastfront/(Jeff Reiter) "engineering is onfire" (Starboard Primary Hallway (194,129,2))
[2020-11-15 22:29:51.966] SAY: Coastfront/(Jeff Reiter) "anda borg killed someone" (Starboard Primary Hallway (194,129,2))
[2020-11-15 22:29:56.515] SAY: Shiraizawa/(Isabelle McConaughey) "yea" (Brig (200,127,2))
[2020-11-15 22:29:57.329] SAY: Shiraizawa/(Isabelle McConaughey) "it is" (Brig (200,127,2))
[2020-11-15 22:30:00.662] SAY: Coastfront/(Jeff Reiter) "and a borg" (Starboard Primary Hallway (194,129,2))
[2020-11-15 22:30:02.793] SAY: Coastfront/(Jeff Reiter) "killed someone in maint" (Starboard Primary Hallway (194,129,2))

You tell him that the AI just bolted the armoury. He sees this as a lets get it open and fuck up the AI

Spoiler:

[2020-11-15 22:30:06.157] SAY: Shiraizawa/(Isabelle McConaughey) "Just bolted armoury" (Brig (200,128,2))
[2020-11-15 22:30:11.695] SAY: Coastfront/(Jeff Reiter) "IS IT MY TIME" (Starboard Primary Hallway (194,129,2))
[2020-11-15 22:30:12.711] SAY: Coastfront/(Jeff Reiter) "TO SHINE" (Starboard Primary Hallway (194,129,2))
[2020-11-15 22:30:18.776] SAY: Shiraizawa/(Isabelle McConaughey) "Go ahead" (Brig (200,128,2))
[2020-11-15 22:30:22.268] SAY: Coastfront/(Jeff Reiter) "FIRST" (Starboard Primary Hallway (194,129,2))
[2020-11-15 22:30:24.518] SAY: Coastfront/(Jeff Reiter) "GET THESE DOORS OPEN" (Starboard Primary Hallway (194,129,2))
[2020-11-15 22:30:25.937] SAY: Coastfront/(Jeff Reiter) "SO I CAN GET" (Starboard Primary Hallway (194,129,2))
[2020-11-15 22:30:27.342] SAY: Coastfront/(Jeff Reiter) "TO IT" (Starboard Primary Hallway (194,129,2))

You tell him that he can do it and that he can *come in*

Spoiler:

[2020-11-15 22:30:29.241] SAY: Shiraizawa/(Isabelle McConaughey) "You can do that" (Brig (200,128,2))
[2020-11-15 22:30:32.057] SAY: Coastfront/(Jeff Reiter) "cant." (Starboard Primary Hallway (194,129,2))
[2020-11-15 22:30:34.002] SAY: Coastfront/(Jeff Reiter) "no acess." (Starboard Primary Hallway (194,129,2))
[2020-11-15 22:30:34.954] SAY: Shiraizawa/(Isabelle McConaughey) "Yea" (Brig (200,128,2))
[2020-11-15 22:30:37.834] SAY: Coastfront/(Jeff Reiter) "and i dont wanna waste greybull" (Starboard Primary Hallway (194,129,2))
[2020-11-15 22:30:37.945] SAY: Shiraizawa/(Isabelle McConaughey) "You can just come in" (Brig (200,128,2))
[2020-11-15 22:30:39.441] SAY: Coastfront/(Jeff Reiter) "on these doors" (Starboard Primary Hallway (194,129,2))

After he says he cant open the doors due to a lack of access you tell him to hack it
[2020-11-15 22:30:40.142] SAY: Shiraizawa/(Isabelle McConaughey) "hack it or something" (Brig (200,128,2))

After he does you stun and cuff him.

Spoiler:

[2020-11-15 22:31:01.232] ATTACK: Shiraizawa/(Isabelle McConaughey) has stunned Coastfront/(Jeff Reiter) (NEWHP: 99) (Brig (200,128,2))
[2020-11-15 22:31:04.609] SAY: Shiraizawa/(Isabelle McConaughey) "No loitering" (Brig (200,128,2))
[2020-11-15 22:31:06.395] SAY: Shiraizawa/(Isabelle McConaughey) "and breaking in" (Brig (200,128,2))

He obviously gets confused and annoyed at you. Which you reply with the you *can* not you should line.

Spoiler:

[2020-11-15 22:31:07.208] SAY: Coastfront/(Jeff Reiter) "you told me to hack it." (Brig (201,128,2))
[2020-11-15 22:31:09.471] SAY: Coastfront/(Jeff Reiter) "jackass." (Brig (201,128,2))
[2020-11-15 22:31:13.046] SAY: Shiraizawa/(Isabelle McConaughey) "I said you can" (Brig (200,128,2))
[2020-11-15 22:31:16.271] SAY: Shiraizawa/(Isabelle McConaughey) "Not that you should" (Brig (200,128,2))
[2020-11-15 22:31:17.085] SAY: Coastfront/(Jeff Reiter) "and that you needed help." (Brig (201,128,2))
[2020-11-15 22:31:22.547] SAY: Shiraizawa/(Isabelle McConaughey) "I didnt say that" (Brig (200,129,2))
[2020-11-15 22:31:14.562] SAY: Coastfront/(Jeff Reiter) "you told me ai bolted armory" (Brig (201,128,2))

A new sec officer appears since you have this guy in cuffs while theres a rogue AI going around they obviously assuming that hes pretty bad

Spoiler:

[2020-11-15 22:31:34.592] SAY: SparkezelPL/(Mandela Czar) "is he" (Brig (199,134,2))
[2020-11-15 22:31:35.411] SAY: SparkezelPL/(Mandela Czar) "bad" (Brig (199,134,2))
-cut out some swear words and him trying to explain to the new seccie he says in this that he hope the AI plasmafloods the room.
[2020-11-15 22:32:03.024] SAY: SparkezelPL/(Mandela Czar) "inject him" (Brig (199,134,2))
[2020-11-15 22:32:00.492] ATTACK: Shiraizawa/(Isabelle McConaughey) has attached Coastfront/(Jeff Reiter) with the �IV drip containing: blood pack - L - (/datum/reagent/blood (153.8u)) (NEWHP: 93) (Brig (200,135,2))
[2020-11-15 22:32:04.688] SAY: Shiraizawa/(Isabelle McConaughey) "bad blood?" (Brig (200,135,2))
[2020-11-15 22:32:05.241] SAY: SparkezelPL/(Mandela Czar) "with this" (Brig (199,134,2))
[2020-11-15 22:32:06.995] SAY: SparkezelPL/(Mandela Czar) "yes" (Brig (199,134,2))

You saying *bad blood?* Shows to me that you knew what it would do to him. After you uncuffing him he obviously attacks you since he is dying extremely quickly and wants some sort of revenge for your quite frankly Omega cunt move.
The other seccie obviously helps you keep him down since they are assuming since you are sec your in the right here. while he is down you grab him and quickly execute him with a electric grille.

The fact that you reported the bug tells me that you knew exactly what it would do.

Unless you can somehow bring up a mistake here or that im missing something major. This ban will stay.

[Shiraizawa]

Yeah I did bad, I know. It all was just a joke until I attached the IV and honestly only did it because I joined lateshift and didnt care about the round as well as it was like 11pm and I was pretty much braindead at that point.

But again, the arrest was justified as he had contraband on him, that would be a seccie winter coat, which you can see in logs me stripping of him along with an EVA helmet.

Spoiler:

[2020-11-15 22:33:34.365] ATTACK: Shiraizawa/(Isabelle McConaughey) has stripped EVA helmet off Coastfront/(Jeff Reiter)
[2020-11-15 22:33:35.057] ATTACK: Shiraizawa/(Isabelle McConaughey) has stripped the security winter coat off Coastfront/(Jeff Reiter)

Assuming that he had that, he could have more sec stuff on him.

And the first time I found the IV bug I injected a guy and he lived well past 5 mins after being injected as there is another bug involving the liver, it not being able to fail. We died before that 5 mins could pass, so he would have lived with that toxin inside of him. Knowing this I attached the IV to myself as well, before confirming the contents of the drip.

Spoiler:

[2020-11-15 22:32:00.492] ATTACK: Shiraizawa/(Isabelle McConaughey) has attached Coastfront/(Jeff Reiter) with the �IV drip
[2020-11-15 22:32:29.984] ATTACK: Shiraizawa/(Isabelle McConaughey) has attached Shiraizawa/(Isabelle McConaughey) with the �IV drip

I dont wanna stop playing on TG just because a guy was butthurt over a joke. If Mandela didnt arrive to sec at that time and dragged the drip there, I would have just given him a short in a cell. I was influenced by bad partners and their assumptions over not knowing the situation.

Spoiler:

also i got a week for releasing a singulol as non-antag, but 30 days for killing a guy? the hell.

[Naloac]

I tested it on a live server. You dont live past 5 minutes after this happens.

So your whole defense hinges on this being a joke right?

also you ONLY got a week for releasing a singulo because at the time you where brand new. You should know better by now Granted the ban was meant to be for 14 days and a month for sec so Ill fix that now.

[Shiraizawa]

I swear that guy lived way past 5 mins the first time i did it, but whatever, I just didnt want to be banned for a month over killing a dude. And again, feel free to perma me from sec, sec sucks

[Naloac]

Granted the ban was meant to be for 14 days and a month for sec so Ill fix that now.

Unless you can somehow bring up a mistake here or that im missing something major. This ban will stay.