by Noka » Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:18 am
#362777
Okay, reading back over this thread, here's some of the stuff I'm wanting to point out.
1) Isn't deleting the "Reset Research" button just ignoring the problem? What happens if I detonate the science server - does science build a new server? (Does it even have the tech for that?) If the science is just in the air, can I get a research console board, break the seclock on it by emagging it, and then run off to the abandoned station or something and just fuck with R&D unsynced? Sure, I can't delete research, but I can constantly use the points gained...
Additionally, isn't that snowflaking around the primary issue (antags can full-reset research to remove round progression)...? Not to just throw around snowflaking charges but I recall it was a major complaint of goofguns and I feel like removing a sabotage method is a similar level of "I don't like the potential implications people bring up, so I've unnecessarily removed features or made things that entirely flaw my rebalance uncommon!"
Maybe have rounds have a stacking point gain, where you gain like 1 per tick at roundstart but gain an extra 1 per tick every 10 mins (no that isn't real scaling numbers kev please don't do that) but like, it would make sabotage valid while not completely murdering the crew, especially if costs were rebalanced to be low -> med -> high rather than a flat 2500 all the time. (There'd even be an easy lore explanation of "Nanotransen values you, crew. But not every station is perfect. The longer your station remains afloat, the more tech data Nanotransen sends you to decrypt! After all, if you're still functioning that long into a shift, you're doing systemically better than approximately 99.9999% of all other Nanotransen stations, and we salute you.")
2) honestly, this isn't a research nerf. as a lot of people in-game point out, the departmental lathes... can be made by science. (please don't snowflake departmental lathes too; not because I don't think it's a valid solution, but I feel like that's taking a lot of "But These Consoles Are Different" that's kinda ass). Yeah, it takes effort, but like... it doesn't take more effort than originally doing research would.
3) Also gonna just point this out; the best way to streamline machine upgrades would be to create an autosynth RPED (sync to the console with use?) and have it have a higher fabrication cost for some things compared to the normal or upgraded lathes. It'd make a lot of sense to have an active, portable RPED that can be carried around (and eventually stolen by a traitor to be used for evil).