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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Unread postby Grazyn » Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:54 am #425213

too bad young people didn't vote anyway because they thought remain would've won, or they voted brexit just to troll



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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Unread postby Anonmare » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:43 pm #425218

I would still vote Leave because I see the EU as a threat to our independence.
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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Unread postby Malkevin » Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:51 pm #425220

Lol Jim, the youth are increasingly fed up of left wing rhetoric
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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Unread postby DemonFiren » Tue Jul 10, 2018 1:17 pm #425222

Malkevin wrote:Lol Jim, the youth are increasingly fed up of left wing rhetoric

"the youth" don't exist
but the closest you can get to "the youth" is sick of all fringe political bullshit
it's just that the right are far more obvious in their bullshittery and so "the youth" are, in fact, increasingly fed up with right-wing rhethoric
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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Unread postby CosmicScientist » Tue Jul 10, 2018 2:05 pm #425227

Reminder that the public vote was hard leave/hard remain and neglected to include consequences or differing choices; we still don't know what the public wanted and what proportions wanted what.

Also a reminder that the leave campaign is probably still going through a court process over illegally overspending on their campaign.


Anonmare wrote:I would still vote Leave because I see the EU as a threat to our independence.

In a world of economic powerhouses and potential lack of war for a very long time, I'd prefer economic union with those close than sphered by those far. If Murica flopped out of NATO, then the only difference between it and the EU for a defensive pact would be Canada and a few countries neutral by precedent or intimidation. If Germany and France make it a real union, the English have the final boss they always dreamed of.


I wonder what the youth do think. The redditors are communist or anti-fascistright, the rurals are chavs, the urbs are american chavs, the girls are american dolls, the boys are CoD players, and they all either drink, smoke weed or both. Or at least when growing up that's the impression they all gave if they weren't the 30% who didn't fit in. Though the last skateboarder I saw looked 36.
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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Unread postby Anonmare » Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:26 pm #425235

The only unions I'm okay with are the ones where we're in charge, accept no substitute.

I'd rather everybody lose if we can't win.
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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Unread postby Super Aggro Crag » Tue Jul 10, 2018 6:54 pm #425250

European union more like fourth reich
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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Unread postby ThanatosRa » Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:26 pm #425261

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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Unread postby CosmicScientist » Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:44 pm #425264

Anonmare wrote:The only unions I'm okay with are the ones where we're in charge, accept no substitute.

I'd rather everybody lose if we can't win.

Deal me in, or are you more of a flat pyramid approach with only you above anyone else?
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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Unread postby Anonmare » Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:46 pm #425267

I'm a "stand atop everyone else's bodies planting the Flag" kind of guy

It's not enough to succeed, others must fail
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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Unread postby DemonFiren » Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:51 pm #425268

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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Unread postby Anonmare » Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:54 pm #425270

Do what thou wilt shalt be the whole of the law
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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Unread postby bandit » Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:30 am #425937

>redditors
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might I inform you about the existence of a certain popular subreddit called the_donald
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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Unread postby ShadowDimentio » Fri Jul 13, 2018 2:13 am #425945

Every other even vaguely political forum on Reddit besides T_D (which is basically just a quarantine) is absolutely chock full of extremely far left sorts. Trying to say that isn't the case because T_D exists is a shit argument and you know it baka boy.
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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Unread postby CosmicScientist » Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:37 am #425965

If I can't blame the left for reddit, how can I break into political circle jerking?!

I can't always fall back on ugh, humans ruin everything.

>alerted to Trump visiting UK a day before he arrives
>wonder why the news was late on the ball given the fun protests from nobodies over the mere thought of having him here was big news two years ago
>Trump tries to be relevant by mentioning the UK gov's ballsing up of brexit
>not even the reporters are phased
>time to await Lizzie's hand being held or her hiding behind a plant pot again

He was incredibly close to Theresa's hand again. What restraint. He really is a man of the world now.

Why is he here again? No-one seems to have mentioned who is the potential nuclear power he has to threaten in this part of the world.
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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Unread postby XSI » Fri Jul 13, 2018 5:41 am #425972

At least there's a white man in London now then

Even if he's not a great example

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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Unread postby Malkevin » Fri Jul 13, 2018 8:45 am #425985

>Orange

Also can confirm reddit is full of lefties, I made an unpc joke on something on the front page and was down voted to oblivion
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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Unread postby Rustledjimm » Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:02 am #425993

I was just stating facts Malkevin. If voting % by demographic stayed the same enough old people would have died by December to change the vote outcome.
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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Unread postby Grazyn » Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:24 am #425995

France should show up at the final with an all-african starting line-up just to trigger altrighters

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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Unread postby CosmicScientist » Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:41 pm #426019

Nah, France should only have footballers from French Guiana to make them confused.
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jesus.

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this is a REALLY good thread, thank you cosmic

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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Unread postby Takeguru » Fri Jul 13, 2018 5:10 pm #426037

Hearing about how bad Brexit is going is hilarious

Come on, a Leave vote passed, stop fucking around and get on it
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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Unread postby CosmicScientist » Fri Jul 13, 2018 6:49 pm #426058

lel

The 51% is interpreted as whatever form of brexit the current government wants. This ranges from pseudo customs union to feck off EU. Right now it's looking like a "We have to comply with everything EU because they're a biggest trading partner and no-one has bothered to implement a working trade border in Northern Ireland because no-one has bothered to negotiate with the EU without being a child". The current ruling coalition isn't entirely made up of leavers.

So there is no getting to it unless the EU sez bye.
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Supper Aggro Crag wrote:Thank you

John_Oxford wrote:sweet.

jesus.

couldn't have said it better myself.

one oxford point for you.

Kor wrote:Best post of the month

danno wrote:that post was art

Quanti wrote:truly cosmic is the hero we need

NikNakFlak wrote:This is quality af

PKPenguin321 wrote:nice try i am immune

this is a REALLY good thread, thank you cosmic

Wyzack wrote:Certified good thread

Qbopper wrote:That card you made of me is awesome, you even managed to work my suggestion in

You now have one "get out of ban free" card

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It's like one of my "whos who in NTR" but with ACTUAL thought and creativity. Good job!

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Wyzack wrote:this is true art

Nilons wrote:That's because if you use art as an analogy, cosmic is painting eloquent well worded posts while you're throwing cans of saghetti at a wal

Armhulen wrote:this thread is secretly a cosmic goldmine

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Anonmare wrote:You don't have to tell me what happened but you do need to eat this bowl of soup

you have to eat ALL the eggs

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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Unread postby Rustledjimm » Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:18 pm #426064

Basically we're going to still follow EU rules without having a say in how they are made or what they are.

We just shouldn't leave. Not with the U.S also going the way it is, I'd rather follow EU food/consumer/worker standards than USA standards.
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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Unread postby ShadowDimentio » Fri Jul 13, 2018 8:04 pm #426079

>Implying you have a say either way
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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Unread postby Super Aggro Crag » Fri Jul 13, 2018 8:44 pm #426088

European union bad
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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Unread postby CosmicScientist » Fri Jul 13, 2018 9:29 pm #426099

ShadowDimentio wrote:>Implying you have a say either way

Apparently we had a say in making the EU precisely what everyone against it is afraid of. Bigger. Controlling. Irrevocable human rights.

e.g. LOOK AT THESE BAD COUNTRIES THAT MIGHT JOIN THE EU, btw promoting Turkey to join the EU despite them not meeting the required standards of not being shit.
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DrPillzRedux wrote:Thanks for the new avatar.

MrEousTranger wrote:Cosmic- you are the best poster and I think the most original member here, also great art

Nilons wrote:These comics are actually the best thing on the forums

Supper Aggro Crag wrote:Thank you

John_Oxford wrote:sweet.

jesus.

couldn't have said it better myself.

one oxford point for you.

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danno wrote:that post was art

Quanti wrote:truly cosmic is the hero we need

NikNakFlak wrote:This is quality af

PKPenguin321 wrote:nice try i am immune

this is a REALLY good thread, thank you cosmic

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Qbopper wrote:That card you made of me is awesome, you even managed to work my suggestion in

You now have one "get out of ban free" card

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It's like one of my "whos who in NTR" but with ACTUAL thought and creativity. Good job!

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Wyzack wrote:this is true art

Nilons wrote:That's because if you use art as an analogy, cosmic is painting eloquent well worded posts while you're throwing cans of saghetti at a wal

Armhulen wrote:this thread is secretly a cosmic goldmine

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Anonmare wrote:You don't have to tell me what happened but you do need to eat this bowl of soup

you have to eat ALL the eggs

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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Unread postby Malkevin » Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:20 pm #426108

CosmicScientist wrote:
ShadowDimentio wrote:>Implying you have a say either way

Apparently we had a say in making the EU precisely what everyone against it is afraid of. Bigger. Controlling. Irrevocable human rights.

e.g. LOOK AT THESE BAD COUNTRIES THAT MIGHT JOIN THE EU, btw promoting Turkey to join the EU despite them not meeting the required standards of not being shit.

Or European
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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Unread postby Anonmare » Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:30 pm #426111

May as well invite Russia if Turkey can get in
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Unread postby CosmicScientist » Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:36 pm #426114

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Unread postby Grazyn » Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:41 pm #426116

Turkey in Europe is an old meme, it died after Erdogan went full islamic dictator

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Unread postby Rustledjimm » Sat Jul 14, 2018 12:52 am #426140

Turkey was never going to join the EU. Too many nations, Germany and France included I believe, were against it.

Strangely enough one of the nations pushing for their entry was.... the UK government.
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Unread postby Luke Cox » Sat Jul 14, 2018 2:31 am #426169

If the UK really is serious about leaving (drafting a reasonable deal is a whole other matter), the EU is on borrowed time. I understand that Euroskepticism is on the rise in Italy, and Greece is pretty pissed at the EU too. I think my favorite part is how Euroskeptics are painted as a bunch of fringe right-wingers when the original ones were leftists from Greece.

My original stance on Brexit was "the UK should probably leave but it sucks that it came to this" but after seeing how the EU is acting like an abusive ex towards the UK, they need to get the fuck out ASAP
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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Unread postby CosmicScientist » Sat Jul 14, 2018 2:39 am #426172

They're an abusive ex?
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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Unread postby XSI » Sat Jul 14, 2018 2:45 am #426174

Thats all mentally unstable people
If they can't control you, they'll try to ruin you

Why would this ever not apply to organisations run by mentally unstable people? It only makes sense

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Unread postby Rustledjimm » Sat Jul 14, 2018 7:31 am #426227

I don't really see how the EU is being abusive.

Like the UK government trying to get the best deal for the British people the EU is trying to get the best deal for it's citizens.
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Unread postby Grazyn » Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:24 am #426235

Yeah the EU has no obligation to provide the best deal for the UK, they are the ones who chose to leave. Also there are other countries that have tight deals with the EU while not part of the EU, like Norway. Obviously just like Norway they'd have no say in other EU regulations, but that's to be expected since, well, they are NOT PART OF THE EU ANYMORE. You wouldn't call your ex "abusive" because they let you live in the apartment (after you dumped them) but they refuse to have sex with you and demand you sleep on the couch. I really don't understand what the UK wants, it's like anything short of "we want exactly the same things we used to have while in the EU" is the EU being abusive to them.

They should've prepared a safety net before brexit, maybe wait until after the US election and make sure they had a good deal with North American states in case brexit went through, now they'll have to beg Trump and accept any condition if things fall out with the EU.

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Unread postby Rustledjimm » Sat Jul 14, 2018 9:09 am #426243

If anything it's the UK being abusive and selfish. Those supporting Brexit want to have their cake and eat it. Our government has made no decent plans, made no sensible decisions, given little good input into the negotiations. They have destablised the union in Northern Ireland, Scotland and even Wales to different degrees. Nobody will be happy at the end of this, everyone will be worse off. It's the biggest political gaffe of the modern era in British politics certainly. It's been a disgrace to watch this government and this opposition. 52% of the electorate 2 years ago voted to leave the EU, among those 52% were wildly different ideas of what leaving the EU meant. Especially considering it's been confirmed that Leave.EU not only lied in the run up to the referendum but also broke electoral rules and regulations regarding funding etc.

It's been an absolute sham and has only hardened my will to see an independent Scotland from Westminster.
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Unread postby DemonFiren » Sat Jul 14, 2018 2:06 pm #426268

the eu is being abusive because we're actually carefully considering whether to give in to the brits' bawling instead of bending over lmao
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Unread postby CosmicScientist » Sat Jul 14, 2018 2:14 pm #426269

Send an Englishman to Scotland and he pulls up the ladder.
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Unread postby Rustledjimm » Sat Jul 14, 2018 3:19 pm #426271

The SNP are the only party I can vote for as they are the party that aligns most with my own personal views even without independence on the cards. The two party system in Westminster is clearly poor for our democracy. The only thing that would stop me supporting independence right now is full electoral reform to some form of PR.
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Unread postby bandit » Sat Jul 14, 2018 3:40 pm #426275

Grazyn wrote:You wouldn't call your ex "abusive" because they let you live in the apartment (after you dumped them) but they refuse to have sex with you and demand you sleep on the couch.


to be fair I'm sure a lot of people in this thread would call that abusive due to tfw no gf
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Unread postby XSI » Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:00 pm #426313

Rustledjimm wrote:Our government has made no decent plans, made no sensible decisions, given little good input into the negotiations. They have destablised the union in Northern Ireland, Scotland and even Wales to different degrees..


This is the big problem. Government hasn't done a single good thing about the whole brexit case and they're still pretending it isn't really happening. Which does not help their negotiation position in the slightest
And thanks to this, the EU decided that it would be able to demand Britain complies with all EU laws and rules but without any sort of input. This is not even demanded from Switzerland or Norway, who also do business with the EU and have separate agreements governing their access to the markets that are much less of a pain than anything proposed to the UK

They are very much putting pressure on the UK and trying to make the deal as bad as possible for them even to the point of possibly hurting their own economic interests just to set an example for anyone who may be considering to leave as well, and that is indeed abusive.
Imagine sharing your backyard with the neighbours. Slowly over time you get more agreements to share parts of the backyards and things go well. So then after a while, you've removed the fences and you're all using a big shared backyard. Then one guy decides he doesn't like that and wants to put his fence back and backs out of the shared garden.
The EU then declares that they will continue to have free access to the now fenced off garden using every single agreement made before this or there will be no deal whatsoever.
There is no way to negotiate with someone who has already said they won't negotiate. And if you bring the most inept failures in the field of negotiation for it then they won't change their stance either

And yet all of this could have been avoided if the politicians didn't just ignore large chunks of the population to try to force their own ideals, but of course that's common in every crisis or political problem

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Unread postby Luke Cox » Sun Jul 15, 2018 1:18 am #426352

It's one thing for the EU to not want the UK to leave and to bargain in their own best interest, it's another for them to take what would appear to be punitive action against the UK in what I can only perceive to be an attempt to intimidate other member states into remaining. The EU is not a sovereign state or any kind of federation, it is a voluntary association of sovereign states. If a state wishes to leave, the EU has no right to stop them. I'm an American and I have pretty strong libertarian leanings when it comes to this stuff, so my bias should be obvious, but I don't think that it's at all unreasonable to call an organization that can impose regulations on member states against the will of their citizens undemocratic.


Also, May is so bad that I'm beginning to think that Corbyn would do a better job of negotiating a deal. Worst case scenario for the UK is a short to medium length recession. Europe might cut them off, but the commonwealth countries and Asia will happily trade with them. Worst case scenario for the EU is the collapse of their organization with the second largest economy in it leaving, a massive morale boost for Euroskeptics that could trigger a domino effect, and the loss of a massive trading partner. You do not bargain like May is when you are the one in a position of strength.
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Unread postby CosmicScientist » Sun Jul 15, 2018 3:17 am #426379

Firstly
>libertarian instead of liberal

Secondly
>the EU is stopping the UK

Unless I'm mistaken, the regulations are imposed by the member states and said regulations come from the stronger countries trying to impose willpower on the weaker ones, of which the UK is/was one.

>trade with the commonwealth
>one is across the atlantic
>another is anti-white
>the rest are through the Suez; far away

>trade with Asia
>have a smaller economy than China and India

How is May bargaining? The nooz doesn't report on anything but her cabinet problems, maybe because journalist eyes glaze over when any diplomatic action, not on twitter, is involved.
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Unread postby Luke Cox » Sun Jul 15, 2018 3:25 am #426383

Surely you've heard of May's draft agreement. It's basically the opposite of what everyone who supported Brexit wanted
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Unread postby Malkevin » Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:16 am #426448

CosmicScientist wrote:Firstly
>libertarian instead of liberal

Liberalism is different to libertarianism, they're not interchangeable words.

The distances of our non-eu trade partners is irrelevant, our major industry is the financial services sector and thus trade happens via phone/internet and happens at light speed.

Luke Cox wrote:It's one thing for the EU to not want the UK to leave and to bargain in their own best interest, it's another for them to take what would appear to be punitive action against the UK in what I can only perceive to be an attempt to intimidate other member states into remaining. The EU is not a sovereign state or any kind of federation, it is a voluntary association of sovereign states.


The USA is (was) also a voluntary union, but when a number of states thought they weren't getting treated fairly and tried to enact their right to secede the union the president made up an excuse of "mah slaves" and ordered an invasion of the 'rebel' states.
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Unread postby XSI » Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:36 am #426450

And there we have it, the plan is revealed

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-brit ... SKBN1K412G
May warns rebels - Back me or risk 'no Brexit at all'

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Unread postby Luke Cox » Sun Jul 15, 2018 9:12 am #426454

Malkevin wrote:
CosmicScientist wrote:Firstly
>libertarian instead of liberal

Liberalism is different to libertarianism, they're not interchangeable words.

The distances of our non-eu trade partners is irrelevant, our major industry is the financial services sector and thus trade happens via phone/internet and happens at light speed.

Luke Cox wrote:It's one thing for the EU to not want the UK to leave and to bargain in their own best interest, it's another for them to take what would appear to be punitive action against the UK in what I can only perceive to be an attempt to intimidate other member states into remaining. The EU is not a sovereign state or any kind of federation, it is a voluntary association of sovereign states.


The USA is (was) also a voluntary union, but when a number of states thought they weren't getting treated fairly and tried to enact their right to secede the union the president made up an excuse of "mah slaves" and ordered an invasion of the 'rebel' states.

To be fair to CosmicScientist, "liberal" basically means "libertarian" in most parts of the world. Personally, I'd call myself a center-left libertarian.

I'm not sure that the civil war is the most appropriate analogy to use. Those states knew exactly what they were getting into, and chose to become part of a sovereign nation state democratically. EU members were told that they were becoming part of a voluntary trade bloc, has grown grossly beyond its original scope, and exerts undue authority on its member states in an undemocratic manner. Every single citizen of a member state could be against a resolution, regulation, etc, but if the EU parliament votes in favor of it, their options are to get fucked or kill themselves. The EU isn't a state. It does not have any legitimate authority over member countries. It was fine when the EU was mostly concerned with things like international commerce and diplomacy, but the line for me is drawn at it meddling in domestic policy.

You are absolutely correct about the trade issue though. Firstly, distance means jack shit in the age of globalization. That argument might have made sense in the 70s, but things like the internet and container shipping have rendered it irrelevant. Additionally, there is now way in hell that the EU is going to cut out the 5th biggest economy on Earth. It's just not fucking happening.

XSI wrote:And there we have it, the plan is revealed

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-brit ... SKBN1K412G
May warns rebels - Back me or risk 'no Brexit at all'

The people thought they could make things happen by voting? Haha silly peasants, your rulers decided long ago!

I can't imagine any scenario in which this doesn't end in a vote of no confidence being held. Labor is already against Brexit, but even Corbyn is willing to respect the referendum. It's obvious that May is attempting to sabotage the agreement. She already cost them a ton of seats in parliament with her pants-on-head election call and platform, and now this. It's not a question of if she goes, but when.
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Unread postby Rustledjimm » Sun Jul 15, 2018 9:21 am #426458

Luke Cox wrote:Surely you've heard of May's draft agreement. It's basically the opposite of what everyone who supported Brexit wanted



Except people who wanted Brexit had a very wide range of wants. Many of them have completely unworkable wants and wanted their cake and to eat it. Some voted wanting an EFTA style arrangement, forty percent of Leave voters believed it was possibly to stay in the Single Market yet lose Freedom of Movement. Something the EU said time and time again was incompatible. There was and is no consensus among those who voted Leave about what they really wanted.

I'm an American


Ah, this explains why a lot of your ideas seem weird and disconnected from what's actually happening over here. I do wonder how U.S news even covers this.

Worst case scenario for the EU is the collapse of their organization with the second largest economy in it leaving, a massive morale boost for Euroskeptics that could trigger a domino effect, and the loss of a massive trading partner. You do not bargain like May is when you are the one in a position of strength.


If we haven't heard this again and again from eurosceptics :roll:


The fact of the trade isn't distance it's the lowering of standards that worries the population. For a trade deal with USA or India would require lowering our industry and food standards, something that very few want to happen.
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