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Re: Kangtut

Unread postby BebeYoshi » Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:24 pm #439642

Can't say much except that this admin has attitude and I like it.
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Re: Kangtut

Unread postby gum disease » Sun Sep 16, 2018 1:23 am #439835

Good player, good trialmin.

Has picked up a few of my ahelps and always handles them well. I'm sure he'll excel at admin stuff.
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Re: Kangtut

Unread postby elyina » Wed Sep 19, 2018 9:21 pm #440485

I like him, he's a nice person, he's active and he works hard on the tickets. Also very responsive in asay.
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Unread postby imsxz » Wed Sep 19, 2018 10:08 pm #440501

he killed me when he was playing security once and i dont like that

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Unread postby Nabski » Wed Sep 19, 2018 10:10 pm #440503

he killed me when he was playing security once and i dont like that


I do like the way he discusses things he's not sure about, and gives feedback on things you're in progress of doing when you try to talk about it. That was something someone else mentioned above.
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Re: Kangtut

Unread postby Kangtut » Fri Sep 21, 2018 6:48 am #440776

imsxz wrote:he killed me when he was playing security once and i dont like that
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Re: Kangtut

Unread postby lmwevil » Fri Sep 21, 2018 1:46 pm #440836

he didn't abuse his powers whenever i watched him, why the h*ck is he a trial?

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Re: Kangtut

Unread postby Malkraz » Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:18 pm #444961

Banned our AI early into the round (95338) following a situation in the previous round, no attempt was made to replace the AI before he was killed 20 minutes later despite me eagerly asking to replace him as a ghost. The round went to shit in part due to our AI getting erased by Kang, so please make an effort in the future to get such a vital role back into action as quickly as possible after a ban like that.
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Re: Kangtut

Unread postby ishortjr33 » Fri Oct 12, 2018 5:29 pm #445010

Has banned twice without fully explaining why, has made up concepts like "effectively purged" to justify punishment for something that might be bad while purged but no purging happened.
There's another ban appeal up where he a trialmin overruled a gameadmin and permabanned some dude on probation without talking to the prior admin about their ruling first, allegedly.

Most admins talk to the players and find common ground for a resolution especially if it's a first time offense Kangtut does neither and chooses to insult and salt rather. If you try to point this out you get labeled as having a victim complex.

Doesn't actually explain what he's banning for when repeatedly asked but it requires a ban appeal to find out, even then when you ask for clarification of something like "effectively purged" you get called a brainlet and that you lack reading comprehension. He's had to have others try to clarify for him and that's pretty fucked up if he's going to be the one pulling the trigger.
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Re: Kangtut

Unread postby iamgoofball » Fri Oct 12, 2018 6:59 pm #445024

BebeYoshi wrote:Can't say much except that this admin has attitude and I like it.

This is a bad thing

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Re: Kangtut

Unread postby WarbossLincoln » Fri Oct 12, 2018 8:31 pm #445034

Agree with ishortjr33 and the goof. He's extremely rude to people in ban appeals. In ishortjr33's case it should be a simple case to explain exactly why by the rules he screwed up instead of making stuff up like "effectively purged". The entire thing could have been settled with a polite explanation of how he broke his laws, citing correct rules(he wasn't purged, purged is its own thing). IMO a week silicon ban, note, and no server ban would have been appropriate but I can't speak to all the facts.
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Re: Kangtut

Unread postby somerandomguy » Fri Oct 12, 2018 9:57 pm #445058

WarbossLincoln wrote:Agree with ishortjr33 and the goof. He's extremely rude to people in ban appeals. In ishortjr33's case it should be a simple case to explain exactly why by the rules he screwed up instead of making stuff up like "effectively purged". The entire thing could have been settled with a polite explanation of how he broke his laws, citing correct rules(he wasn't purged, purged is its own thing). IMO a week silicon ban, note, and no server ban would have been appropriate but I can't speak to all the facts.

Effectively purged meant that he was free but had to be good i.e. the same as a purged AI (but still not technically purged)

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Re: Kangtut

Unread postby ishortjr33 » Fri Oct 12, 2018 10:12 pm #445064

somerandomguy wrote:
WarbossLincoln wrote:Agree with ishortjr33 and the goof. He's extremely rude to people in ban appeals. In ishortjr33's case it should be a simple case to explain exactly why by the rules he screwed up instead of making stuff up like "effectively purged". The entire thing could have been settled with a polite explanation of how he broke his laws, citing correct rules(he wasn't purged, purged is its own thing). IMO a week silicon ban, note, and no server ban would have been appropriate but I can't speak to all the facts.

Effectively purged meant that he was free but had to be good i.e. the same as a purged AI (but still not technically purged)


There's a ban appeal up for that but the same thing I said there, where is effectively purged written, how does one know they have been such? We get no popup, no notification. No indication and it's as described "murkier". It's a stretch to justify a ban that should have been at best a note. It's a powertrip by an asshole.

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Re: Kangtut

Unread postby gum disease » Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:51 pm #445087

He makes rounds interesting. Even if it's just fun and harmless things like making borgs smol or spin, it still usually gets a laugh out of a few people.

Consistently is on duty, especially during low-pop/mid-pop which I really appreciate. Sometimes there wouldn't be admins on during the morning (UK time) and problems would arise when people took that as their cue to misbehave.

Also seen him admit to his mistakes and take steps to defuse hostile situations between players who are fighting in OOC channels like deadchat, etc.

As a player, I think he's a good'un. He was HoS during a clock cult (I think it was a TC trade?) round. We (I was a subverted borg) weren't harming anyone and were planning to just have a pizza party in the chapel. He didn't valid-hunt us or anything and was actually pretty chill.
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Re: Kangtut

Unread postby Kangtut » Sat Oct 13, 2018 12:53 am #445115

WarbossLincoln wrote:Agree with ishortjr33 and the goof. He's extremely rude to people in ban appeals. In ishortjr33's case it should be a simple case to explain exactly why by the rules he screwed up instead of making stuff up like "effectively purged". The entire thing could have been settled with a polite explanation of how he broke his laws, citing correct rules(he wasn't purged, purged is its own thing). IMO a week silicon ban, note, and no server ban would have been appropriate but I can't speak to all the facts.



I have been rude to ishot in their appeal and that is because even before this ishot has been a passive aggressive little shit and no amount of explaining is good enough for them. Even when most of the thread is telling them they are wrong and telling them why - they still will not accept it. I can and will be very polite but don't except me to do so if you won't give the same. Being nice does nothing when the person you are trying to talk to is acting like a screeching 5 year old.

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Re: Kangtut

Unread postby Kangtut » Sat Oct 13, 2018 1:04 am #445120

Malkraz wrote:Banned our AI early into the round (95338) following a situation in the previous round, no attempt was made to replace the AI before he was killed 20 minutes later despite me eagerly asking to replace him as a ghost. The round went to shit in part due to our AI getting erased by Kang, so please make an effort in the future to get such a vital role back into action as quickly as possible after a ban like that.


You have me there and I do apologize for that. I wasn't in the following round due to leaving work and going to bed. I don't even remember the round starting so banning the AI without replacing it was dumb but kind of unavoidable with no other admin on to replace it.

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Re: Kangtut

Unread postby Malkraz » Sat Oct 13, 2018 1:37 am #445126

Kangtut wrote:I wasn't in the following round due to leaving work and going to bed. I don't even remember the round starting so banning the AI without replacing it was dumb but kind of unavoidable with no other admin on to replace it.

Are you sure about that? I could've sworn I saw your ghost orbiting somebody. I have somewhat limited knowledge of how to read logs, but as far as I can tell from these (https://tgstation13.org/parsed-logs/bas ... /game.html)
You took ownership of a ghost at 9:52 (5 minutes after round start)
Banned Ishot around 10:06 (probably doesn't require being "in the round", just for time reference)
Renamed the station at 10:10 so you were doing things unrelated to Ishot's ban
Did something called "AI Interact" at 10:49
Spoke in dead chat at 11:10
Triggered a swarmer spawn event at 11:20
Logged out and lost control of the ghost at 11:40

If you simply forgot to replace the AI that's fine and all, but unless I'm misunderstanding something your explanation for why is puzzling as it appears you were at the least watching and interacting with the round behind the scenes.
Also, Magikarp was connected but deadmined. I don't know if you have some way of seeing that as an admin but I assume it wasn't unavoidable as he was on at the time, but correct me if I'm unaware of some policy on deadmins interacting with the round.
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Re: Kangtut

Unread postby iamgoofball » Sat Oct 13, 2018 1:38 am #445127

Kangtut wrote:
WarbossLincoln wrote:Agree with ishortjr33 and the goof. He's extremely rude to people in ban appeals. In ishortjr33's case it should be a simple case to explain exactly why by the rules he screwed up instead of making stuff up like "effectively purged". The entire thing could have been settled with a polite explanation of how he broke his laws, citing correct rules(he wasn't purged, purged is its own thing). IMO a week silicon ban, note, and no server ban would have been appropriate but I can't speak to all the facts.



I have been rude to ishot in their appeal and that is because even before this ishot has been a passive aggressive little shit and no amount of explaining is good enough for them. Even when most of the thread is telling them they are wrong and telling them why - they still will not accept it. I can and will be very polite but don't except me to do so if you won't give the same. Being nice does nothing when the person you are trying to talk to is acting like a screeching 5 year old.

Not being able to keep my cool with retards is why I am not an admin, aside from the bias. If you can't handle shitty players without flying off the handle, you're fucking trash.

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Re: Kangtut

Unread postby Kangtut » Sat Oct 13, 2018 1:49 am #445132

Malkraz wrote:
Kangtut wrote:I wasn't in the following round due to leaving work and going to bed. I don't even remember the round starting so banning the AI without replacing it was dumb but kind of unavoidable with no other admin on to replace it.

Are you sure about that? I have somewhat limited knowledge of how to read logs, but as far as I can tell from these (https://tgstation13.org/parsed-logs/bas ... /game.html)
You took ownership of a ghost at 9:52 (5 minutes after round start)
Banned Ishot around 10:06 (probably doesn't require being "in the round", just for time reference)
Renamed the station at 10:10 so you were doing things unrelated to Ishot's ban
Did something called "AI Interact" at 10:49
Spoke in dead chat at 11:10
Triggered a swarmer spawn event at 11:20
Logged out and lost control of the ghost at 11:40

If you simply forgot to replace the AI that's fine and all, but unless I'm misunderstanding something your explanation for why is puzzling as it appears you were at the least watching and interacting with the round behind the scenes.
Also, Magikarp was connected but deadmined. I don't know if you have some way of seeing that as an admin but I assume it wasn't unavoidable as he was on at the time, but correct me if I'm unaware of some policy on deadmins interacting with the round.


Oh I see I made a mistake when reading the logs. It was simply forgetfulness then. Like I said it was late I was tired and I was getting off from my shift soon. I'll try not to forget something like that next time.

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Re: Kangtut

Unread postby ishortjr33 » Sat Oct 13, 2018 4:37 am #445183

Kangtut wrote:
WarbossLincoln wrote:Agree with ishortjr33 and the goof. He's extremely rude to people in ban appeals. In ishortjr33's case it should be a simple case to explain exactly why by the rules he screwed up instead of making stuff up like "effectively purged". The entire thing could have been settled with a polite explanation of how he broke his laws, citing correct rules(he wasn't purged, purged is its own thing). IMO a week silicon ban, note, and no server ban would have been appropriate but I can't speak to all the facts.



I have been rude to ishot in their appeal and that is because even before this ishot has been a passive aggressive little shit and no amount of explaining is good enough for them. Even when most of the thread is telling them they are wrong and telling them why - they still will not accept it. I can and will be very polite but don't except me to do so if you won't give the same. Being nice does nothing when the person you are trying to talk to is acting like a screeching 5 year old.


You reap what you sew. My complete lack of respect for you comes from your conduct in our first dealings where instead of talking to me about something so I could understand why it was verbotten you cut me off and threw a ban at me without warning it was coming. I even told you this time around that it would have been at the very least nice of you to explain what I did wrong and that it would have consequences, professionalism. You couldn't do that the first time around either. You were an asshole then and it was our first interaction. Are you so completely incapable of self reflection that you absolutely do not see that? Imsez, Beesting, some of the more active admins, Coconutwarrior, hell even Aliyana (I believe) have spoken to me in the past and it's been friendly for the most part and respectful. If you get a different ishotjr then perhaps it's you that's the issue. You did the EXACT SAME SHIT this time around you didn't explain at all what I had done wrong and I even asked you to put emotions aside to talk about it, you told me I had a victim complex, I asked for another admin to be involved and then you banned me. You reap what you sew and I'm just unlucky enough that my unwillingness to suck your cock lands me at the end of your wrath. I make no apologies for the way I speak to you because it's a direct result of your piss poor holier-than-thou "Heh I'm an admin" bullshit.

To quote again, that you're a fuckstick.
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That RULE you're talking about by your own admission does not exist. I get now what I did was wrong but you telling me I should know that the fuck "effectively purged" means?
Purged = No Laws, no 0, 1-infinity
Asimov = 1,2,3
One Human 0,1,2,3,4 etc

I was one humaned, not purged that's why you CONTINUE TO USE "effectively purged" and not purged, so for you to go "Heh you should know about this lil technicality that doesn't exist in the silicon rules" makes you a complete asshole, like you were the first time around and hence why you get static from me.

What was the round ID and date of the ban you gave me first time around?

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Re: Kangtut

Unread postby ishortjr33 » Sat Oct 13, 2018 4:40 am #445184

Kangtut wrote:
Malkraz wrote:
Kangtut wrote:I wasn't in the following round due to leaving work and going to bed. I don't even remember the round starting so banning the AI without replacing it was dumb but kind of unavoidable with no other admin on to replace it.

Are you sure about that? I have somewhat limited knowledge of how to read logs, but as far as I can tell from these (https://tgstation13.org/parsed-logs/bas ... /game.html)
You took ownership of a ghost at 9:52 (5 minutes after round start)
Banned Ishot around 10:06 (probably doesn't require being "in the round", just for time reference)
Renamed the station at 10:10 so you were doing things unrelated to Ishot's ban
Did something called "AI Interact" at 10:49
Spoke in dead chat at 11:10
Triggered a swarmer spawn event at 11:20
Logged out and lost control of the ghost at 11:40

If you simply forgot to replace the AI that's fine and all, but unless I'm misunderstanding something your explanation for why is puzzling as it appears you were at the least watching and interacting with the round behind the scenes.
Also, Magikarp was connected but deadmined. I don't know if you have some way of seeing that as an admin but I assume it wasn't unavoidable as he was on at the time, but correct me if I'm unaware of some policy on deadmins interacting with the round.


Oh I see I made a mistake when reading the logs. It was simply forgetfulness then. Like I said it was late I was tired and I was getting off from my shift soon. I'll try not to forget something like that next time.


You made a mistake that negatively impacted the round for everyone else? Man it's almost like you're human or something. Good thing you're an admin and don't have to be punished for it eh? You're not lying though, you're just confused, mistaken, dumb, right?

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Re: Kangtut

Unread postby Doritos » Sat Oct 13, 2018 3:56 pm #445296

Just as shit an admin as he is a player.
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Unread postby Not-Dorsidarf » Sat Oct 13, 2018 5:15 pm #445313

Needs to learn the way of the administrative zen if he is to achieve true ss13 power
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Re: Kangtut

Unread postby tinodrima7020 » Sat Oct 13, 2018 5:26 pm #445316

Confirmed brainlet person who doesn't listen. Gave me a note that does not accurately describe what transpired.

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Re: Kangtut

Unread postby BeeSting12 » Mon Oct 15, 2018 2:13 am #445763

I don't like their attitude. I think there's cases where he should've shown more leniency but instead he went too far on the harsh side.

This is probably the best example of that:
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=19896 (Spankmaster/Toronto88's ban appeal for detonating an antimatter in a main hallway)

Spankmaster immediately adminhelped, making KangTut aware of the situation. He apologized and said it was an accident. I see this happen once in a while where someone does something that causes a good amount of station damage by mistake and immediately apologizes for it. I never ban those people, occasionally I'll note them, but they're mostly good players who make a destructive mistake.

I can't really blame KangTut for banning him since he was just told by Arianya to be harsher, but he needs to learn the nuances of that sort of thing before going crazy on the harshness. It's just a dayban, but it left a bad taste in my mouth to see someone who had an obvious accident to get banned over it, especially when the antimatter is only seen once in a hundred rounds and is poorly sprited/not intuitive.

When I talked with him about it, I got the impression he had a "ban the shitters" type of attitude rather than an attitude more oriented toward helping them understand their mistake and improve from it. He said something about them having an incident with kudzu earlier in the day and that makes a pattern. Uh, no, two unrelated things don't make a pattern. Sometimes people mess up twice in a day.
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Re: Kangtut

Unread postby wesoda25 » Mon Oct 15, 2018 3:12 am #445769

Doritos wrote:Just as shit an admin as he is a player.

Hes a good player though. Rare type of sec main who doesn’t live from valid to valid.
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Re: Kangtut

Unread postby Malkraz » Mon Oct 15, 2018 10:21 am #445884

wesoda25 wrote:Hes a good player though. Rare type of sec main who doesn’t live from valid to valid.

He's very back and forth with this. Sometimes he puts good effort in and plays the role mindful of how it impacts other players. Other times he'll execute people with complete dumb fuck reasoning. Definitely has the capacity to play sec well but he doesn't apply it as much as he should.
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Re: Kangtut

Unread postby WarbossLincoln » Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:28 pm #446102

BeeSting12 wrote:Antimatter


I've played on /tg/ with varyling levels of activity for like 5 or 6 years and I've never seen an antimatter engine or even knew they existed. I easily could have pushed buttons on it out of curiosity and blown it up too. The ban was shitty, I would have maybe banned the person who set it up in the hallways where anyone could fuck with it.
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Re: Kangtut

Unread postby Floiven » Tue Oct 16, 2018 2:54 am #446258

Not a fan of this ban, as it seems kinda harsh for simply interacting with something that was out in the open. I know a lot of the enjoyment that I get out of this game is the crazy stuff that can randomly go wrong during a shift, and being this harsh on someone who didn't break into a secure place and just checked out something sitting in the main hall seems to only dissuade people from organically learning about things through messing around with them. Unless you're signed up for a department that should have explicit knowledge about the in-game mechanics of something, I don't think it's fair to expect people to pull up a wiki page for every thing they come across sitting wide in the open.

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Re: Kangtut

Unread postby ishortjr33 » Tue Oct 16, 2018 4:05 am #446269

Dunno how to delete.
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Re: Kangtut

Unread postby WarbossLincoln » Tue Oct 16, 2018 2:03 pm #446340

ishortjr33 wrote:I ask any of you how many times other admins have bwoinked you when something went wrong, tried to find a middle ground in the whole thing, spoke to you about why it was wrong, educated you, answered your questions and tussled up your hair if you fucked up?


Like 90% of all of them since I started here.

Hey why did you do X?
Because Y.
Ok cool. OR You can't/shouldn't because Z.

I've never been bwoinked and not had that be the outcome. It sounds like Kang doesn't roll that way.
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Re: Kangtut

Unread postby oranges » Wed Oct 17, 2018 12:59 am #446522

t. double post salt mine and then dante smith showing up omegalul
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Re: Kangtut

Unread postby Qbmax32 » Wed Oct 17, 2018 2:42 am #446542

eternally lmaoing at people who post in admin feedback about their ban appeals before they're even resolved
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Re: Kangtut

Unread postby ishortjr33 » Wed Oct 17, 2018 3:35 am #446550

Qbmax32 wrote:eternally lmaoing at people who post in admin feedback about their ban appeals before they're even resolved


I'm not a smart person in general, I'll delete em sorry.

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Re: Kangtut

Unread postby BeeSting12 » Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:06 am #447443

What I don't understand about Ishotjr8's ban is why KangTut banned him for a week from the game servers and a month from AI. Surely only the AI jobban was needed as the issue was with playing AI. He had no prior history, a full game ban was unnecessary and way too harsh.
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Re: Kangtut

Unread postby ishortjr33 » Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:48 am #447451

BeeSting12 wrote:What I don't understand about Ishotjr8's ban is why KangTut banned him for a week from the game servers and a month from AI. Surely only the AI jobban was needed as the issue was with playing AI. He had no prior history, a full game ban was unnecessary and way too harsh.


For the same reason it enraged him that I asked another admin be involved while he was speaking to me and why he doesn't interact with the ban appeal against him after popping in to call me a brainlet but is content simply to let the hours burn by as it's about to hit day 7 of 7 of the server ban and day 7 of appeal. He's a vindictive little asshole. The same reason others had to explain to me what I did wrong but not the guy passing the sentence, no that was below him. The same reason he lied in his ban reason so that anyone who didn't look at my history would take it at face value. That I was somehow a repeatedly shit AI but having no notes about my silicon play ever up until then. For the same reason he flew off the handle when I asked him for BOTH of us to put our emotions aside. My server ban is drawing to a close but I'm in a position where I'm pretty let down that I was basically sat on the backburner by the administration team as a whole and that I feel like I'm better off just not logging in during KangTut-time as given my history with him he's just aching for any excuse.

I was having fun playing here, truly. I thought the community was well rounded, the administration was fair, my notes serve to tell a story that while I may not be perfect I'm hardly a habitual breaker of the same rule repeatedly. Now I feel really fucking jaded about a silly space game where a clown can be acting captain.

The only thing I can take away from this is that I learned more about silicon policy thanks to other admins and the community and that KangTut will ease up to take pressure off himself since he's been THE topic of conversation in FNR for a time, I say for a time because I guarantee someone else is going to draw his ire eventually. I hope people look back on me, that other guy who got permabanned for silly radio banter and the poor bastard who had never seen an anti-matter engine and caused a catastrophe and sees what a piece of shit KangTut is with power. Hopefully that will help lend credence to their appeals.

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Re: Kangtut

Unread postby bman » Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:42 am #447525

sent ERT during overthrow because one team was killing the crew and had converted their objectives, bruh...
edit: his logic was that the team wasnt calling the shuttle, which they werent calling because we were still converting the rest of the heads and were doing surgery on the captain

also him banning toronto for a complete accident with an engine was really unfair
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Re: Kangtut

Unread postby Ayy Lemoh » Mon Nov 12, 2018 12:07 pm #453838

He and lmwevil are national heroes.

They actually did 'Everyone is Abductor' station. The madmen. It was amazing. 10/10 best admins ever.

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