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There is no security. There is no game.

Unread postby Lumbermancer » Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:48 pm #439630

70 people on server. No security. Only HoS, who is afk. 5+ tide raid Captains office within 30 seconds of round start. Non antags. Steal access. Steal shit. Corner Captain who is alone defending herself. Lots of people die. Captain dies. 6 minutes pass.

The is not a rare thing. Every, fucking round, Captains locker will be stolen at the very least. Tide will reign. I report it over common, I get called kike by many. Am I the only one who hates this? What this server (Bagil at least) has become? What happened to roleplaying station employees? Why is every round a race to grab power and then exploit it?
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Unread postby kevinz000 » Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:52 pm #439631

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Re: There is no security. There is no game.

Unread postby Just L » Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:54 pm #439632

Lumbermancer wrote:70 people on server. No security. Only HoS, who is afk. 5+ tide raid Captains office within 30 seconds of round start. Non antags. Steal access. Steal shit. Corner Captain who is alone defending herself. Lots of people die. Captain dies. 6 minutes pass.

The is not a rare thing. Every, fucking round, Captains locker will be stolen at the very least. Tide will reign. I report it over common, I get called kike by many. Am I the only one who hates this? What this server (Bagil at least) has become? What happened to roleplaying station employees? Why is every round a race to grab power and then exploit it?


Just do what I do and gulag every single assistant that you catch, it's hilarious to check the gulag cameras and see that they have all suicided.

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Re: There is no security. There is no game.

Unread postby Deitus » Sat Sep 15, 2018 12:36 am #439687

Just L wrote:
Lumbermancer wrote:70 people on server. No security. Only HoS, who is afk. 5+ tide raid Captains office within 30 seconds of round start. Non antags. Steal access. Steal shit. Corner Captain who is alone defending herself. Lots of people die. Captain dies. 6 minutes pass.

The is not a rare thing. Every, fucking round, Captains locker will be stolen at the very least. Tide will reign. I report it over common, I get called kike by many. Am I the only one who hates this? What this server (Bagil at least) has become? What happened to roleplaying station employees? Why is every round a race to grab power and then exploit it?


Just do what I do and gulag every single assistant that you catch, it's hilarious to check the gulag cameras and see that they have all suicided.
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Re: There is no security. There is no game.

Unread postby Anuv » Sat Sep 15, 2018 12:39 am #439689

Triple antag rep gains for people who roll sec. Make a true incentive.
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Unread postby Ayy Lemoh » Sat Sep 15, 2018 12:48 am #439692

Lumbermancer wrote:70 people on server. No security. Only HoS, who is afk. 5+ tide raid Captains office within 30 seconds of round start. Non antags. Steal access. Steal shit. Corner Captain who is alone defending herself. Lots of people die. Captain dies. 6 minutes pass.

The is not a rare thing. Every, fucking round, Captains locker will be stolen at the very least. Tide will reign. I report it over common, I get called kike by many. Am I the only one who hates this? What this server (Bagil at least) has become? What happened to roleplaying station employees? Why is every round a race to grab power and then exploit it?

If Revolution wasn't a thing then I would play sec. Not like that would matter currently at the moment since I haven't played a lot of ss13 recently but still.

Thing is, stealing the cap's locker is required if you want the spare id card unless you can break it in the office. To have all access basically means you can kinda have a bit more fun because despite how specific job access is needed so people don't powergame every job, it's still fucking annoying when you run into a door leading to a place you want to go but it won't open. This won't really change the game and make you go WOW THIS GAME IS FUCKING AMAZING however I'm just saying one reason why I think non-antags get it.

This is why I often prefer to help sec or not be a gigantic asshole. They already go through hell.

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Unread postby obscolene » Sat Sep 15, 2018 1:31 am #439694

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Re: There is no security. There is no game.

Unread postby Luke Cox » Sat Sep 15, 2018 2:32 am #439698

Sorry, I haven't played in the past few days. Better get back to work.
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Unread postby D&B » Sat Sep 15, 2018 2:48 am #439699

>Ban sec mains that treat greytiders like the scum they are
>Why is there no sec?
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Unread postby subject217 » Sat Sep 15, 2018 3:04 am #439703

Anuv wrote:Triple antag rep gains for people who roll sec. Make a true incentive.

this makes the seeing sec mains not playing sec means they're antag issue way worse

Just L wrote:Just do what I do and gulag every single assistant that you catch, it's hilarious to check the gulag cameras and see that they have all suicided.


then in dchat they cry boo hoo shitcurity gulag on first offense >:( instead of serving their 200 point sentence

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Unread postby oranges » Sat Sep 15, 2018 3:14 am #439704

seeing sec mains crying about how they're the only foil for antags is the funniest shit.

You're a valueless job like the rest of them
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Unread postby Cobby » Sat Sep 15, 2018 3:21 am #439706

D&B wrote:>Ban sec mains that treat greytiders like the scum they are
>Why is there no sec?


What could be the common thread between sec players and being banned....
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Unread postby wesoda25 » Sat Sep 15, 2018 3:30 am #439707

Lmao another post complaining about greytide. Whats next, static names ruined ss13?

You can write off my opinion as a known shitter who is here to have a fun time, not a civilized time. But I play security a pretty high amount, probably more so than you lumber, and greytiding isn’t the issue you paint it to be. Generally speaking, when I start tiding in an intrusive manner, I do it knowing I’m 100% valid (or at least its my mentality). That way, if I get killed as a grey I’m rarely frustrated, which is why I can switch between grey and redtide so easily.

Anyways, people like you are too caught up in the game. As far as it doesn’t coincide with rule 1, greytiding is healthy and fun. When I first started playing sec, I’d try to keep the station 100% under control. But that’s impossible. It goes against the game, and especially against tg. I would become really frustrated and would start to dislike every new tider that came along. But then I took a step back and remembered they play to have fun too.

Regardless there are some great rules with dealing with tiders, such as not being a dick. People like you who try to perma infamous tiders as early as possible are doing it wrong. Simply be nice, talk a little, and they won’t be a dick back. If they’re still a fag after that, fucking gulag.

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Re: There is no security. There is no game.

Unread postby Luke Cox » Sat Sep 15, 2018 4:16 am #439711

I wouldn't get rid of greytide even if I could. Greytide is what gives security purpose. Security is an in-game mechanic meant to balance out the greytide.
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Unread postby Lumbermancer » Sat Sep 15, 2018 9:35 am #439725

Just L wrote:Just do what I do and gulag every single assistant that you catch, it's hilarious to check the gulag cameras and see that they have all suicided.


Unfortunately normal officers don't have gulag access, so I do this only once in a blue moon when being HoS.

oranges wrote:seeing sec mains crying about how they're the only foil for antags is the funniest shit.

You're a valueless job like the rest of them


Well according to my /played, I'm an AI main, but oh well. And no, my point is the sec is not only to foil antags, but they are here only to handle grey tide.

wesoda25 wrote:Lmao another post complaining about greytide.


No, I'm complaining that greytide is the only thing. Because it is. And it's always the same. The same MO, the same insults they throw at you IC and OOC. It's just boring, I haven't played sec in weeks.

wesoda25 wrote:Anyways, people like you are too caught up in the game. As far as it doesn’t coincide with rule 1, greytiding is healthy and fun.


I don't find it fun. I can't. I just can't enjoy ruining other peoples game for no reason (antag is not the problem, that's part of the game)

wesoda25 wrote:When I first started playing sec


I think I mentioned many times why I used to enjoy playing sec. It's not validhunting, might shock you yes. It's just that I enjoy interacting with other people doing rp as police. Simply patrollin. Asking Janitor is he being bullied, telling he can always count on me. Approaching HoP line and asking if there's any problems. Asking random person to consent to a search, and sending them away with "thank you citizen".

wesoda25 wrote:I’d try to keep the station 100% under control. But that’s impossible.


It is, when you're AI. I guess that's why I have notes for playing Robocop when Asimov. Because I tried to make round a better experience for everyone else who is not a baddie, by trying to contain tide and dumb murderboner.

wesoda25 wrote:Simply be nice, talk a little, and they won’t be a dick back.


Confirmed for not playing the game.

Luke Cox wrote:I wouldn't get rid of greytide even if I could. Greytide is what gives security purpose. Security is an in-game mechanic meant to balance out the greytide.


But I don't want to remove greytide. Extended is the best mode, and it's 50% grey tide.
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Unread postby DemonFiren » Sat Sep 15, 2018 10:06 am #439726

man you lot are wanking harder than me five minutes ago, and you don't even have lizards on your computers
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Unread postby Lazengann » Sat Sep 15, 2018 11:47 am #439728

Let me opt out of playing sec for conversion rounds and I'll play sec all day

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Unread postby Lumbermancer » Sat Sep 15, 2018 1:23 pm #439732

I suggested this, but the argument was "muh metagaming".
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Unread postby Lumbermancer » Sat Sep 15, 2018 1:27 pm #439734

And another issue is that the lack of security is exacerbated by the power gap between sec and antags. Antags devolve into murderboner and destruction almost every time, because they can, and are able to. And it reduces you to Benny Hill bobby chasing around the station trying to stop them.

Like Dante Smith, in full miner gear, just fucking killing everyone.

So: chasing around murderboner is not fun = less people play sec = murdeboner has easier time to murderboner. Vicious circle.
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Unread postby wesoda25 » Sat Sep 15, 2018 2:26 pm #439737

3 types of sec players. The complete newbies who can’t do shit. The “powergamers” who thrive on game modes stacked against sec and hate extended. And the rp officer who wants to be realistic security aboard a space station.

I understand why the game isn’t fun for people like you, because it’s built around stun the other guy before they stun you. Theres no room for roleplay because you’re just gonna end up dead. That being said, I’ve seen some good gimmicks involving detectives or sec officers.

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Lumbermancer wrote:I think I mentioned many times why I used to enjoy playing sec. It's not validhunting, might shock you yes. It's just that I enjoy interacting with other people doing rp as police. Simply patrollin. Asking Janitor is he being bullied, telling he can always count on me. Approaching HoP line and asking if there's any problems. Asking random person to consent to a search, and sending them away with "thank you citizen".

These are all possible, maybe aside from the last one.

At the end of the day, is tg the right server for you?
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Unread postby Anuv » Sat Sep 15, 2018 2:42 pm #439738

Give the HoS a special flash/device like an upgraded mindshield that forces anyone converted to play as sec with objectives. Protag reverse-revs.
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Unread postby Ayy Lemoh » Sat Sep 15, 2018 2:56 pm #439739

wesoda25 wrote:At the end of the day, is tg the right server for you?

There's more to a ss13 server than how your favorite thing is interacted with. This seems like a dumb question imo.

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Do you leave or stay?

Example 2: You like Goonstation. You think Goonstation and Hippie Station are the two best normal ss13 servers and you really enjoy both. Your issue is that you can't handle Goonstation's antags. You fucking hate how the antags are designed and played. In comparison, you think Hippie Station has the best antags. Another thing is that you like the Goonstation community yet you don't like the Hippie Station community. Both servers are of equal value to you except for the community and antags in each.

Do you play Goonstation or Hippie Station if you had to pick only one?

Example 3: You are reading the tgstation forums.

Leave or stay?

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Unread postby Lumbermancer » Sat Sep 15, 2018 3:03 pm #439740

wesoda25 wrote:At the end of the day, is tg the right server for you?


It was, but it "evolved". Like, think about it. Parasteng was murderboner. Ebow+sord was muderboner. But it was not so blatant and round disruptive. And yet both got nerfed. But what we get in exchange? More tools to outwardly murder en masse. And traitors used to do objectives too. And station didn't explode so often. Grey tide also used to be more subtle and not IN YOUR FACE. Does rule precedent 1.4 even apply anymore?
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Unread postby DemonFiren » Sat Sep 15, 2018 3:12 pm #439742

Ayy Lemoh wrote:Example 3: You are reading the tgstation forums.

Leave or stay?

misleading question, people who read the forums don't play
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Unread postby Lumbermancer » Sat Sep 15, 2018 3:15 pm #439743

Fake news.
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Unread postby Nilons » Sat Sep 15, 2018 3:20 pm #439744

this is what happens when you ban all the sec mains
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Unread postby Cobby » Sat Sep 15, 2018 3:39 pm #439748

Come on Sybil instead
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Unread postby Farquaar » Sat Sep 15, 2018 4:48 pm #439758

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Unread postby Takeguru » Sat Sep 15, 2018 5:50 pm #439773

This is what happens when you let too many pubs in

Too many pubs fuck around and cause problems
Sec players get stressed and either leave or join the tide
Oh no where did all the sec go
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Unread postby bandit » Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:16 pm #439776

remember when people said that removing sec antag would get rid of graytide forever

that sure was a great argument
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Unread postby BeeSting12 » Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:26 pm #439777

You guys are chumbises. He's not saying to remove greytide, he's saying it's not fun to have greytide when there's no security to counter it.
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Unread postby ColonicAcid » Sat Sep 15, 2018 8:21 pm #439784

bandit wrote:remember when people said that removing sec antag would get rid of graytide forever

that sure was a great argument

lmao did people genuinely believe it came from the fact that someone in security could be a traitor lmao wtf...

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Unread postby Cobby » Sat Sep 15, 2018 8:21 pm #439785

Or have people that put a stop to it ICly, hence the thread.
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Unread postby Dax Dupont » Sat Sep 15, 2018 9:11 pm #439790

Takeguru wrote:This is what happens when you let too many pubs in

Too many pubs fuck around and cause problems
Sec players get stressed and either leave or join the tide
Oh no where did all the sec go

This is why I don't really play sec much anymore

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Unread postby Luke Cox » Sat Sep 15, 2018 10:33 pm #439800

I bet you fucking casuals don't even dismember tiders
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Unread postby PKPenguin321 » Sun Sep 16, 2018 6:42 pm #439986

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Re: There is no security. There is no game.

Unread postby Shezza » Sun Sep 16, 2018 6:51 pm #439988

just erp the greytiders
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Re: There is no security. There is no game.

Unread postby ShadowDimentio » Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:14 am #440031

PKPenguin321 wrote:i play hos to be a greyman with a gun


The truth. Sec are greyshirts with guns.
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Re: There is no security. There is no game.

Unread postby Just L » Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:07 am #440108

ShadowDimentio wrote:
PKPenguin321 wrote:i play hos to be a greyman with a gun


The truth. Sec are greyshirts with guns.

Nah you actually have to follow a few rules as sec.

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Re: There is no security. There is no game.

Unread postby Lumbermancer » Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:59 pm #440129

Only if by rules you mean SPACE LAW.
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