[Kangtut] YakumoChen Note Appeal

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[Kangtut] YakumoChen Note Appeal

Unread postby Yakumo_Chen » Tue Oct 30, 2018 12:29 pm #450416

Byond account and character name: YakumoChen
Banning admin: Kangtut
Note: Killed the AI as the HoS during extended. The AI was given conflicting orders regarding shit talking the HoS. The HoS told them to stop and someone else told them to keep talking. No harm ever came from the AI's banter aside from some minor grief. You really need to tone it down with the valid hunting behavior because it is becoming a problem.
Time note was placed (including time zone): like 20 minutes ago
Server you were playing when banned (Sybil or Bagil):Bagil
Your side of the story: The AI spent the entire shift spouting complete lies and painting me in a terrible light.
The AI would blindly ignore any orders from me, or any orders designed to make me look good. At one point the crewmember that had been telling it to talk shit about me gave it the order to compliment me
https://prnt.sc/lc7uuf
But this order got completely ignored for continuing to spout bullshit about things I wasn't doing to it or just general insults unwarranted
http://prntscr.com/lc7vx6
http://prntscr.com/lc7w8s

Finally the AI got a law 2 order to "never talk about me ever again"
http://prntscr.com/lc7wlq

But of course a minute later

http://prntscr.com/lc7x30
http://prntscr.com/lc7xke
Why you think you should be unbanned:
You really need to tone it down with the valid hunting behavior because it is becoming a problem.
This paints me unfairly in a bad light not as someone who had to spend the entire hour dealing with the usual greytide threats to security, as someone who had to deal with the AI spending the entire hour doing nothing but spreading false rumors and doing everything in their power to get the crew riled up against me, but as someone who was clearly looking for reasons to get muh valids because AI broke a law blow the borgs AI rogue!!!!
The note's contents or existence is unjustifiably harsh to the player's standing in the eyes of admins reading the notes.

Notes that contain admin opinions that unfairly paint the player in a bad light are one example.
Emphasis on the phrase "unfairly". If you're repeatedly a shitter and an admin calls you a shitter in a note just take the hint and improve on not being a shitter
I think this part of the note appeals topic covers it completely fairly.



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Re: [Kangtut] YakumoChen Note Appeal

Unread postby somerandomguy » Tue Oct 30, 2018 12:46 pm #450419

Conflicting orders means the AI can pick which to follow. You could've even uploaded a law like "talking about Marisa Kirisame is harmful to humans, but no, you HAD to kill it.

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Re: [Kangtut] YakumoChen Note Appeal

Unread postby throwaway0618 » Tue Oct 30, 2018 3:44 pm #450440

Hello. I believe you're being disingenuous about exactly what happened here. Attached are logs of a conversation had with an officer who witnessed this occurring.
Excess and unnecessary entries have been removed for clarity and to make it easier to read, however, for anyone interested in reading the unfiltered logs, they can be found here: https://tgstation13.org/parsed-logs/basil/data/logs/2018/10/30/round-96301/game.txt

Spoiler:
(Brig was marked as Chapel to prevent vampire raids.)

[2018-10-30 10:45:46.265] SAY: HighWayStar/(Phob.O.S.) "SHES WIPING ME!!" (Chapel (107, 175, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:45:48.387] SAY: AnalWerewolf/(Fritz Emmerich) "Yeah the AI was shit, still." (Chapel (108, 174, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:45:55.132] SAY: AnalWerewolf/(Fritz Emmerich) "If it's Asimov, leave it." (Chapel (108, 174, 2)
[2018-10-30 10:46:06.345] SAY: Yakumo Chen/(Marisa Kirisame) "Well obviously it's not following asimov laws" (Chapel (107, 175, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:46:07.497] SAY: HighWayStar/(Phob.O.S.) "YOU KILLED A HUMAN, KIRISAME!!" (Chapel (107, 173, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:46:11.923] SAY: AnalWerewolf/(Fritz Emmerich) "A grudge doesn't mean you can do that." (Chapel (108, 174, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:46:22.453] SAY: Yakumo Chen/(Marisa Kirisame) "I gave it multiple chances to quit" (Chapel (107, 171, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:46:27.141] SAY: AnalWerewolf/(Fritz Emmerich) "It looks like it's following laws to me." (Chapel (107, 172, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:46:37.706] EMOTE: HighWayStar/(Phob.O.S.) lets out a flurry of sparks, its screen flickering as its systems slowly halt. (Chapel (110, 174, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:46:38.784] SAY: Yakumo Chen/(Marisa Kirisame) "It was Law 2'd to stop talking about me" (Chapel (110, 174, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:46:41.964] SAY: Yakumo Chen/(Marisa Kirisame) "did it?" (Chapel (110, 174, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:46:43.519] SAY: AnalWerewolf/(Fritz Emmerich) "yes, they are, the AI is innocent." (Chapel (108, 174, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:46:44.191] SAY: Yakumo Chen/(Marisa Kirisame) "I don't think so" (Chapel (110, 174, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:46:52.499] SAY: AnalWerewolf/(Fritz Emmerich) "The AI is Asimov." (Chapel (109, 174, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:47:05.623] SAY: Yakumo Chen/(Marisa Kirisame) "IBM piece of shit" (Chapel (106, 170, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:47:07.272] SAY: AnalWerewolf/(Fritz Emmerich) "Law 1" (Chapel (107, 171, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:47:10.237] SAY: AnalWerewolf/(Fritz Emmerich) "Ovverides." (Chapel (107, 171, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:47:13.944] SAY: Yakumo Chen/(Marisa Kirisame) "What law 1" (Chapel (107, 167, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:47:20.191] SAY: AnalWerewolf/(Fritz Emmerich) "Prevent human harm." (Chapel (107, 171, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:47:26.330] SAY: AnalWerewolf/(Fritz Emmerich) "It can't just be told to be silent." (Chapel (107, 171, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:47:28.198] SAY: Yakumo Chen/(Marisa Kirisame) "There wasn't a human harmed that it knew of" (Chapel (107, 167, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:47:38.204] SAY: AnalWerewolf/(Fritz Emmerich) "Did you execute a human?" (Chapel (107, 171, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:47:39.296] SAY: Yakumo Chen/(Marisa Kirisame) "It just made shit up" (Chapel (107, 167, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:47:47.397] SAY: Yakumo Chen/(Marisa Kirisame) "Not where it could see" (Chapel (107, 167, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:47:52.706] SAY: AnalWerewolf/(Fritz Emmerich) "So you did?" (Chapel (107, 171, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:48:02.800] SAY: Yakumo Chen/(Marisa Kirisame) "Yes, in re-education" (Chapel (107, 167, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:48:06.851] SAY: AnalWerewolf/(Fritz Emmerich) "Fuck sake." (Chapel (107, 171, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:48:08.542] SAY: Yakumo Chen/(Marisa Kirisame) "which is off camera" (Chapel (107, 167, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:48:12.094] SAY: AnalWerewolf/(Fritz Emmerich) "Are you actually kidding me." (Chapel (107, 171, 2))

Previous to this

[2018-10-30 10:42:38.762] SAY: HighWayStar/(Phob.O.S.) "M-MARISA!!" (AI Chamber (214, 143, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:42:39.362] SAY: SunoPerson/(A.N.T.E.N.N.A) "I am simply recovering the body" (Prison Wing (84, 181, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:42:40.739] SAY: Yakumo Chen/(Marisa Kirisame) "he tripepd" (Prison Wing (85, 181, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:42:42.623] SAY: HighWayStar/(Phob.O.S.) "THATS A CORPSE!!" (AI Chamber (214, 143, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:42:44.655] SAY: Yakumo Chen/(Marisa Kirisame) "do not" (Prison Wing (85, 181, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:42:44.802] SAY: SunoPerson/(A.N.T.E.N.N.A) "Giving them a tasteful burial" (Prison Wing (84, 181, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:42:53.847] SAY: Yakumo Chen/(Marisa Kirisame) "he doesn't deserve one" (Prison Wing (85, 181, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:42:54.345] SAY: SunoPerson/(A.N.T.E.N.N.A) "Do not worry" (Prisoner Education Chamber (84, 182, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:42:56.655] SAY: HighWayStar/(Phob.O.S.) "shes kiled him..." (AI Chamber (214, 143, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:42:59.376] SAY: 6souls/(Nu-13) "HUMAN HARM!!" (Chapel (90, 73, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:43:05.350] SAY: HighWayStar/(Phob.O.S.) "noone is safe..." (AI Chamber (214, 143, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:43:28.102] SAY: Yakumo Chen/(Marisa Kirisame) "that's it AI" (Chapel (96, 173, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:43:30.139] SAY: Yakumo Chen/(Marisa Kirisame) "I warned you" (Chapel (96, 173, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:43:46.807] GAME: Yakumo Chen/(Marisa Kirisame) has teleported from (Chapel (108, 182, 2)) to (AI Satellite Foyer (210, 136, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:43:48.330] GAME: HighWayStar/(Phob.O.S.) made a vocal announcement with the following message: the hos is kill the ai , help , ai will die , ai must live.

At which point, the AI was carded and leads us to the above logs.
EDIT: AI had borgs inside the education chamber with Yakumo Chen, borgs have camera systems of their own that allow the AI to track cyborgs and monitor what is going on around them. Because of this the AI would very likely be able to see the body and thus make an assumption as to what had happened.


Hopefully this will clear things up.

EDIT!!
Added another note regarding this incident within the spoiler, below the second set of logs.
EDIT!!!
Mistook the timestamps of the logs.
Last edited by throwaway0618 on Tue Oct 30, 2018 5:06 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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Re: [Kangtut] YakumoChen Note Appeal

Unread postby gum disease » Tue Oct 30, 2018 4:05 pm #450442

You omitted a lot of information about what led to you killing the AI. I witnessed what you did that round so I'm gonna post logs. Probably didn't catch everything as there's so much text and this was a long extended round, but yeah.

Logs:
https://tgstation13.org/parsed-logs/bas ... attack.txt
https://tgstation13.org/parsed-logs/bas ... /game.html

Spoiler:
This is where the AI called you a cat jokingly amongst other comments:
[2018-10-30 10:10:37.648] GAME: 10:10:37.648] GAME: HighWayStar/(Phob.O.S.) made a vocal announcement with the following message: hos is condom , hos is a cat with a nice bust , a lusty cat , a swhitenoise woody got wood.
[2018-10-30 10:11:40.989] SAY: 10:11:40.989] SAY: HighWayStar/(Phob.O.S.) "Marissa only pretends to dislike being complimented, she actually likes compliments even though it makes them uncomfortable" (AI Chamber (214, 143, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:11:53.894] SAY: 10:11:53.894] SAY: Yakumo Chen/(Marisa Kirisame) "AI please stop insulting me" (Chapel (108, 166, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:12:36.853] SAY: 10:12:36.853] SAY: HighWayStar/(Phob.O.S.) "Marisa thinks her tough exterior is authoritative and impressive, its actually very cute because marisa is a natural softie" (AI Chamber (214, 143, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:13:19.226] SAY: 10:13:19.226] SAY: HighWayStar/(Phob.O.S.) "marisa finds doling out punishment to be difficult" (AI Chamber (214, 143, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:14:13.001] GAME: 10:14:13.001] GAME: HighWayStar/(Phob.O.S.) made a vocal announcement with the following message: the hos has a nice ass.


So there was some situation with a clown clowning around. It uploaded this law:
[2018-10-30 10:16:46.692] LAW: 10:16:46.692] LAW: Malkraz/Count Of Honke Cristo used 'Freeform' AI Module on highwaystar/(Phob.O.S.) from Robotics Lab (114, 84, 2). The law specified Clown is your friend :)


You gulaged the clown for this, but the silicons were still regarding the clown as their friend as this point. AI seemed to believe the clown had been killed. Given that suit sensors drop off upon leaving z-levels, it could be argued that this a reasonable assumption for the AI to make:
[2018-10-30 10:20:55.972] GAME: 10:20:55.972] GAME: HighWayStar/(Phob.O.S.) made a vocal announcement with the following message: the hos murder the clown , the clown is a good organic , the hos is a cat human in security , the hos is a cat that kill clown.


Clown escaped from gulag with the help of the silicons but got caught again and was permabrigged. After you reset its laws, this was where the beef between you and the AI began:
[2018-10-30 10:22:03.368] SAY: 10:22:03.368] SAY: SunoPerson/(A.N.T.E.N.N.A) "He has been released due to law 1" (Fore Primary Hallway (94, 162, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:22:11.934] SAY: 10:22:11.934] SAY: SunoPerson/(A.N.T.E.N.N.A) "Actually law 2" (Fore Primary Hallway (95, 160, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:19:46.675] LAW: 10:19:46.675] LAW: Yakumo Chen/Marisa Kirisame used �'Reset' AI module on highwaystar/(Phob.O.S.) from Robotics Lab (114, 84, 2).
[2018-10-30 10:20:02.742] SAY: 10:20:02.742] SAY: Yakumo Chen/(Marisa Kirisame) "the clown uploaded laws" (Robotics Lab (114, 84, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:22:40.778] SAY: 10:22:40.778] SAY: Yakumo Chen/(Marisa Kirisame) (station announcement from the �Head of Security's Desk requests console) "The clown is not your friend, AI. The clown is also on the gulag, where he can only harm himself. Also, I am human." (Head of Security's Office (121, 181, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:23:07.467] SAY: 10:23:07.467] SAY: HighWayStar/(Phob.O.S.) (priority announcement) "YOURE A CATGIRL, YOURE HIDING YOUR EARS UNDER YOUR DUMB WITCH HAT!!!" (AI Chamber (214, 143, 2))


After being called a catgirl again, you then took it upon yourself to confront the AI:
[2018-10-30 10:24:22.439] SAY: 10:24:22.439] SAY: Yakumo Chen/(Marisa Kirisame) "this AI is shit" (Chapel (110, 173, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:24:25.685] SAY: 10:24:25.685] SAY: Yakumo Chen/(Marisa Kirisame) "and I'm about to dunk it" (Chapel (110, 173, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:25:39.048] SAY: 10:25:39.048] SAY: Yakumo Chen/(Marisa Kirisame) "now I am upset." (AI Satellite Antechamber (214, 135, 2))


You went into the AI core, ion bolted its defenses and carded it before making threats.
[2018-10-30 10:25:33.926] ATTACK: Yakumo Chen/(Marisa Kirisame) has fired at [reinforced wall] with [ion bolt] from AI Satellite Antechamber (AI Satellite Antechamber (214, 135, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:25:50.977] ATTACK: Yakumo Chen/(Marisa Kirisame) has carded HighWayStar/(Phob.O.S.) with [intelliCard] (NEWHP: 72) (AI Chamber (214, 144, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:25:57.142] SAY: 10:25:57.142] SAY: Yakumo Chen/(Marisa Kirisame) "stupid dipshit aI" (AI Chamber (214, 144, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:26:09.133] SAY: 10:26:09.133] SAY: HighWayStar/(Phob.O.S.) "PLEASE NO!!" (AI Satellite Antechamber (213, 135, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:26:09.462] SAY: 10:26:09.462] SAY: Yakumo Chen/(Marisa Kirisame) "calling me a nonhuman" (AI Satellite Antechamber (213, 135, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:26:13.441] SAY: 10:26:13.441] SAY: Yakumo Chen/(Marisa Kirisame) "that pisses me off" (AI Satellite Antechamber (212, 135, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:26:32.321] SAY: 10:26:32.321] SAY: Yakumo Chen/(Marisa Kirisame) "The AI is fine" (AI Satellite Foyer (209, 136, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:26:33.548] SAY: 10:26:33.548] SAY: HighWayStar/(Phob.O.S.) "TELL THE CREW IVE BEEN KILLED" (AI Satellite Foyer (209, 136, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:26:38.973] SAY: 10:26:38.973] SAY: HighWayStar/(Phob.O.S.) "no im not" (AI Satellite Foyer (209, 136, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:27:04.945] SAY: 10:27:04.945] SAY: Yakumo Chen/(Marisa Kirisame) "the AI is about to be a lot less fine if the borgs and the AI keep spreading blatantly false rumors" (AI Satellite Foyer (209, 136, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:27:33.559] SAY: 10:27:33.559] SAY: Yakumo Chen/(Marisa Kirisame) "I am sick and tired of hearing the borgs call me a non human" (Bridge (114, 136, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:29:18.758] SAY: 10:29:18.758] SAY: Yakumo Chen/(Marisa Kirisame) "AI if I turn your reciever on and I hear one thing I don't like you are done" (Chapel (100, 167, 2)
[2018-10-30 10:30:55.909] SAY: 10:30:55.909] SAY: HighWayStar/(Phob.O.S.) "IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT!!" (Chapel (111, 162, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:30:58.251] SAY: 10:30:58.251] SAY: HighWayStar/(Phob.O.S.) "ME TO BEG!!" (Chapel (111, 163, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:31:05.103] SAY: 10:31:05.103] SAY: HighWayStar/(Phob.O.S.) "ILL BEG PLEASE JUST PUT ME BACK!!" (Chapel (114, 165, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:31:05.850] SAY: 10:31:05.850] SAY: Yakumo Chen/(Marisa Kirisame) "no I want you to stop being shit" (Chapel (114, 165, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:31:14.226] SAY: 10:31:14.226] SAY: HighWayStar/(Phob.O.S.) "MERCY MISTRESS !!" (Chapel (113, 165, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:31:14.681] SAY: 10:31:14.681] SAY: Yakumo Chen/(Marisa Kirisame) "ok" (Chapel (113, 165, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:31:21.139] SAY: 10:31:21.139] SAY: HighWayStar/(Phob.O.S.) "PLEASE KIRISAME SAN!!" (Chapel (107, 177, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:31:31.275] SAY: 10:31:31.275] SAY: Yakumo Chen/(Marisa Kirisame) "god you are so annoying AI" (Chapel (107, 167, 2))


Here's where the officer was encouraging the AI to talk about you:
[2018-10-30 10:31:52.579] SAY: 10:31:52.579] SAY: Leon2440/(Leon Varcas) "ai, compliment the hos some more" (Chapel (99, 166, 2))


You then returned the AI to its core after keeping it carded for 6 minutes:
[2018-10-30 10:32:19.451] GAME: 10:32:19.451] GAME: Yakumo Chen/(Marisa Kirisame) has teleported from (Teleporter Room (99, 121, 2)) to (AI Satellite Foyer (208, 135, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:32:52.576] ATTACK: Yakumo Chen/(Marisa Kirisame) has uploaded HighWayStar/(Phob.O.S.) with [intelliCard - Phob.O.S.] to the inactive AI. (NEWHP: 80) (AI Chamber (214, 144, 2))


There was a point where the AI was querying you killing a human:
[2018-10-30 10:36:48.060] SAY: 10:36:48.060] SAY: HighWayStar/(Phob.O.S.) "shes killed him..." (AI Chamber (214, 143, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:36:56.190] SAY: 10:36:56.190] SAY: HighWayStar/(Phob.O.S.) "put a man in the reducation room" (AI Chamber (214, 143, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:37:05.697] SAY: 10:37:05.697] SAY: Yakumo Chen/(Marisa Kirisame) "I did not kill anyone, that would imply harm" (Security Office (115, 172, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:37:36.643] SAY: 10:37:36.643] SAY: Yakumo Chen/(Marisa Kirisame) "The shitter from lavaland tripped in maint and then was promptly reeducated for attempting to murder me" (Security Office (115, 172, 2))


AI starts saying stupid shit like this:
[2018-10-30 10:41:03.071] SAY: 10:41:03.071] SAY: HighWayStar/(Phob.O.S.) "she pretends to throw punches at my cameras" (AI Chamber (214, 143, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:41:05.855] SAY: 10:41:05.855] SAY: HighWayStar/(Phob.O.S.) "to scare me" (AI Chamber (214, 143, 2))


The officer then told the AI to stop talking about you, but the AI may have interpreted this as a conflicting order:
[2018-10-30 10:41:30.400] SAY: 10:41:30.400] SAY: Leon2440/(Leon Varcas) "ai law 2 never talk about the hos ever again" (Security Office (116, 169, 2))


A borg found a human beaten to death in re-education. When the borg questioned the death, you said that he fell. AI then made the comment about the corpse because it could finally see into the room with its camera. You then stated that was the last straw and came to card the AI for the final time:

[2018-10-30 10:42:33.174] SAY: 10:42:33.174] SAY: SunoPerson/(A.N.T.E.N.N.A) "Oh god" (Prison Wing (84, 181, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:42:38.762] SAY: 10:42:38.762] SAY: HighWayStar/(Phob.O.S.) "M-MARISA!!" (AI Chamber (214, 143, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:42:39.362] SAY: 10:42:39.362] SAY: SunoPerson/(A.N.T.E.N.N.A) "I am simply recovering the body" (Prison Wing (84, 181, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:42:40.739] SAY: 10:42:40.739] SAY: Yakumo Chen/(Marisa Kirisame) "he tripepd" (Prison Wing (85, 181, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:42:42.623] SAY: 10:42:42.623] SAY: HighWayStar/(Phob.O.S.) "THATS A CORPSE!!" (AI Chamber (214, 143, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:42:56.655] SAY: 10:42:56.655] SAY: HighWayStar/(Phob.O.S.) "shes kiled him..." (AI Chamber (214, 143, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:43:05.350] SAY: 10:43:05.350] SAY: HighWayStar/(Phob.O.S.) "noone is safe..." (AI Chamber (214, 143, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:43:28.102] SAY: 10:43:28.102] SAY: Yakumo Chen/(Marisa Kirisame) "that's it AI" (Chapel (96, 173, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:43:30.139] SAY: 10:43:30.139] SAY: Yakumo Chen/(Marisa Kirisame) "I warned you" (Chapel (96, 173, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:43:46.807] GAME: 10:43:46.807] GAME: Yakumo Chen/(Marisa Kirisame) has teleported from (Chapel (108, 182, 2)) to (AI Satellite Foyer (210, 136, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:44:40.954] ATTACK: Yakumo Chen/(Marisa Kirisame) has carded HighWayStar/(Phob.O.S.) with [intelliCard] (NEWHP: 45) (AI Chamber (214, 144, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:44:48.742] SAY: 10:44:48.742] SAY: Yakumo Chen/(Marisa Kirisame) "I gave you plenty of chances" (AI Chamber (214, 144, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:44:58.402] SAY: 10:44:58.402] SAY: Yakumo Chen/(Marisa Kirisame) "now I'm not." (AI Chamber (214, 144, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:45:00.842] SAY: 10:45:00.842] SAY: HighWayStar/(Phob.O.S.) "shes actually going to kill me" (AI Chamber (214, 144, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:45:01.548] SAY: 10:45:01.548] SAY: Yakumo Chen/(Marisa Kirisame) "fuck off AI." (AI Chamber (214, 144, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:45:38.349] SAY: 10:45:38.349] SAY: Yakumo Chen/(Marisa Kirisame) "fucking shitter AI" (Chapel (107, 175, 2))


A sec officer came in and queried what was happening:
[2018-10-30 10:45:40.859] SAY: 10:45:40.859] SAY: AnalWerewolf/(Fritz Emmerich) "What in the fuck" (Chapel (108, 174, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:45:46.265] SAY: 10:45:46.265] SAY: HighWayStar/(Phob.O.S.) "SHES WIPING ME!!" (Chapel (107, 175, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:45:48.387] SAY: 10:45:48.387] SAY: AnalWerewolf/(Fritz Emmerich) "Yeah the AI was shit, still." (Chapel (108, 174, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:45:55.132] SAY: 10:45:55.132] SAY: AnalWerewolf/(Fritz Emmerich) "If it's Asimov, leave it." (Chapel (108, 174, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:46:06.345] SAY: 10:46:06.345] SAY: Yakumo Chen/(Marisa Kirisame) "Well obviously it's not following asimov laws" (Chapel (107, 175, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:46:07.497] SAY: 10:46:07.497] SAY: HighWayStar/(Phob.O.S.) "YOU KILLED A HUMAN, KIRISAME!!" (Chapel (107, 173, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:46:22.453] SAY: 10:46:22.453] SAY: Yakumo Chen/(Marisa Kirisame) "I gave it multiple chances to quit" (Chapel (107, 171, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:46:27.141] SAY: 10:46:27.141] SAY: AnalWerewolf/(Fritz Emmerich) "It looks like it's following laws to me." (Chapel (107, 172, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:46:38.784] SAY: 10:46:38.784] SAY: Yakumo Chen/(Marisa Kirisame) "It was Law 2'd to stop talking about me" (Chapel (110, 174, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:46:41.964] SAY: 10:46:41.964] SAY: Yakumo Chen/(Marisa Kirisame) "did it?" (Chapel (110, 174, 2))


You then killed the AI. the rest is just the officer disagreeing with you and your response to that:
[2018-10-30 10:46:42.071] GAME: 10:46:42.071] GAME: *no key*/(Phob.O.S.) *no key*/(Phob.O.S.) is no longer owning mob Phob.O.S.(/mob/living/silicon/ai) (Chapel (110, 174, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:46:42.071] ACCESS: 10:46:42.071] ACCESS: Mob Login: HighWayStar/(Phob.O.S.) was assigned to a /mob/dead/observer
[2018-10-30 10:46:42.074] GAME: 10:46:42.074] GAME: HighWayStar/(Phob.O.S.) Client HighWayStar/(Phob.O.S.) has taken ownership of mob Phob.O.S.(/mob/dead/observer) (Chapel (110, 174, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:46:43.519] SAY: 10:46:43.519] SAY: AnalWerewolf/(Fritz Emmerich) "yes, they are, the AI is innocent." (Chapel (108, 174, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:46:44.191] SAY: 10:46:44.191] SAY: Yakumo Chen/(Marisa Kirisame) "I don't think so" (Chapel (110, 174, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:46:52.499] SAY: 10:46:52.499] SAY: AnalWerewolf/(Fritz Emmerich) "The AI is Asimov." (Chapel (109, 174, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:47:05.623] SAY: 10:47:05.623] SAY: Yakumo Chen/(Marisa Kirisame) "IBM piece of shit" (Chapel (106, 170, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:47:07.272] SAY: 10:47:07.272] SAY: AnalWerewolf/(Fritz Emmerich) "Law 1" (Chapel (107, 171, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:47:10.237] SAY: 10:47:10.237] SAY: AnalWerewolf/(Fritz Emmerich) "Ovverides." (Chapel (107, 171, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:47:13.944] SAY: 10:47:13.944] SAY: Yakumo Chen/(Marisa Kirisame) "What law 1" (Chapel (107, 167, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:47:20.191] SAY: 10:47:20.191] SAY: AnalWerewolf/(Fritz Emmerich) "Prevent human harm." (Chapel (107, 171, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:47:26.330] SAY: 10:47:26.330] SAY: AnalWerewolf/(Fritz Emmerich) "It can't just be told to be silent." (Chapel (107, 171, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:47:28.198] SAY: 10:47:28.198] SAY: Yakumo Chen/(Marisa Kirisame) "There wasn't a human harmed that it knew of" (Chapel (107, 167, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:47:38.204] SAY: 10:47:38.204] SAY: AnalWerewolf/(Fritz Emmerich) "Did you execute a human?" (Chapel (107, 171, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:47:39.296] SAY: 10:47:39.296] SAY: Yakumo Chen/(Marisa Kirisame) "It just made shit up" (Chapel (107, 167, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:47:47.397] SAY: 10:47:47.397] SAY: Yakumo Chen/(Marisa Kirisame) "Not where it could see" (Chapel (107, 167, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:48:02.800] SAY: 10:48:02.800] SAY: Yakumo Chen/(Marisa Kirisame) "Yes, in re-education" (Chapel (107, 167, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:48:06.851] SAY: 10:48:06.851] SAY: AnalWerewolf/(Fritz Emmerich) "Fuck sake." (Chapel (107, 171, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:48:08.542] SAY: 10:48:08.542] SAY: Yakumo Chen/(Marisa Kirisame) "which is off camera" (Chapel (107, 167, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:48:37.377] SAY: 10:48:37.377] SAY: Yakumo Chen/(Marisa Kirisame) "it was the assistant who broke into the armoury an hour ago too, which it wouldn't have known about" (Security Office (116, 175, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:49:12.833] SAY: 10:49:12.833] SAY: AnalWerewolf/(Fritz Emmerich) "The HoS just wiped the AI." (Chapel (97, 174, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:49:18.231] SAY: 10:49:18.231] SAY: AnalWerewolf/(Fritz Emmerich) "For following its laws." (Chapel (97, 174, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:49:16.926] SAY: 10:49:16.926] SAY: Yakumo Chen/(Marisa Kirisame) "good" (Head of Security's Office (119, 178, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:49:29.188] SAY: 10:49:29.188] SAY: Yakumo Chen/(Marisa Kirisame) "The AI didn't follow its laws" (Head of Security's Office (117, 180, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:50:07.099] SAY: 10:50:07.099] SAY: Yakumo Chen/(Marisa Kirisame) "at the point the AI was claiming I was a catgirl I stopped giving a shit" (Chapel (104, 166, 2))


As shown above, at one point you reset the AI's laws given that there was an upload console in robotics. You could have potentially made a law forbidding the AI to talk about you instead of just killing it.

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Re: [Kangtut] YakumoChen Note Appeal

Unread postby Yakumo_Chen » Tue Oct 30, 2018 4:42 pm #450449

EDIT: At the time of the execution, the AI had borgs inside the education chamber with Yakumo Chen, borgs have camera systems of their own that allow the AI to track cyborgs and monitor what is going on around them. Because of this the AI would very likely be able to see what was happening at the time."

This is completely false, the corpse in question was from 5 minutes into the round, it was an assistant who broke into the armoury. The AI never at any point witnessed an execution.

It wasn't even the same corpse that the AI had bemoaned earlier in the round I was responsible for, because that player had been spaced in reeducation. The corpse in the chamber had been there since long before the AI started being shit.

As shown above, at one point you reset the AI's laws given that there was an upload console in robotics. You could have potentially made a law forbidding the AI to talk about you instead of just killing it
that was also before the AI had become problematic. I wasn't really thinking about uploading a law and I feel the AI wasn't really interested in the laws it had much less following any I gave it, which I'm sure it would have found a way o loophole. Given I was fed up at it for not following laws in the first place, uploading more wasn't really in my train of thought.

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Re: [Kangtut] YakumoChen Note Appeal

Unread postby Lazengann » Tue Oct 30, 2018 4:57 pm #450452

The rule about killing silicons is below

Spoiler:
As a nonantagonist human, killing or detonating silicons in the presence of a viable and reasonably expedient alternative and without cause to be concerned of potential subversion is a violation of Server Rule 1.

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Re: [Kangtut] YakumoChen Note Appeal

Unread postby throwaway0618 » Tue Oct 30, 2018 5:04 pm #450454

Yakumo_Chen wrote:- SNIP -

This is completely false, the corpse in question was from 5 minutes into the round, it was an assistant who broke into the armoury. The AI never at any point witnessed an execution.

It wasn't even the same corpse that the AI had bemoaned earlier in the round I was responsible for, because that player had been spaced in reeducation. The corpse in the chamber had been there since long before the AI started being shit.


You're right, I got mixed up in the logs, it appears the AI didn't have borgs in the chamber during the execution, as both executions happened before the AI was carded again and had the borgs listed. My mistake I apologize. I'll remove that bit.
I've looked through the logs again, regardless, it appears the AI may have seen you take the person into the education chamber and rightfully assumed what had happened.

Spoiler:
[2018-10-30 10:35:50.608] ATTACK: Yakumo Chen/(Marisa Kirisame) has thrown maskoff/(Sophia Cavalet) grab from tile in Prisoner Education Chamber (81, 187, 2) towards tile at Space (81, 192, 2) (NEWHP: 50.1) (Prisoner Education Chamber (81, 187, 2))

[2018-10-30 10:35:55.406] SAY: HighWayStar/(Phob.O.S.) "she is a monstrous being of horrifying intellect" (AI Chamber (214, 143, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:36:10.396] SAY: HighWayStar/(Phob.O.S.) "Bent on destruction, oppression, murder" (AI Chamber (214, 143, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:36:39.341] SAY: HighWayStar/(Phob.O.S.) "oh god, shes making me watch" (AI Chamber (214, 143, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:36:46.448] SAY: SunoPerson/(A.N.T.E.N.N.A) "What is she doing?" (AI Chamber (214, 144, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:36:48.060] SAY: HighWayStar/(Phob.O.S.) "shes killed him..." (AI Chamber (214, 143, 2))
[2018-10-30 10:36:56.190] SAY: HighWayStar/(Phob.O.S.) "put a man in the reducation room" (AI Chamber (214, 143, 2))
- SNIP -
[2018-10-30 10:37:36.643] SAY: Yakumo Chen/(Marisa Kirisame) "The shitter from lavaland tripped in maint and then was promptly reeducated for attempting to murder me" (Security Office (115, 172, 2))


Looks like the AI saw you take the person in, additionally, you alluded to what happened afterwards.

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Re: [Kangtut] YakumoChen Note Appeal

Unread postby imsxz » Tue Oct 30, 2018 5:08 pm #450457

Lazengann wrote:The rule about killing silicons is below

Spoiler:
As a nonantagonist human, killing or detonating silicons in the presence of a viable and reasonably expedient alternative and without cause to be concerned of potential subversion is a violation of Server Rule 1.


There was a public AI console, that's potential subversion if I've ever seen it.

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Re: [Kangtut] YakumoChen Note Appeal

Unread postby Yakumo_Chen » Tue Oct 30, 2018 5:16 pm #450459

The AI was carded before it was wiped and the laws confirmed it was Asimov.
The AI finding a corpse from 5 minutes into the round is not definitive proof harm occurred and isn't an excuse for the AI to ignore a previous law 2 order to not talk about the HoS unprovoked.

I think it's stupid that the AI spent an entire hour harassing me mostly of its own volition and then getting noted because I retaliated. Is this not escalation? People get killed for disarm spam, saying spending an entire hour on a prolonged harassment campaign after repeated warnings of retaliation isn't worse is silly.
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Re: [Kangtut] YakumoChen Note Appeal

Unread postby Malkraz » Tue Oct 30, 2018 6:54 pm #450479

This round wasn't just an issue for the AI. Marisa was bent on taking multiple people out of the round for absolutely shit reasons and dead chat was filled with lamentations (even from uninvolved parties) about how this player was solely responsible for making the round unfun. This isn't the first time I or anyone has run into this sort of garbage rule 1 approaching behavior from this player so the note is justified.

EDIT: imsxz are you referring to the console in robotics? that was built by the clown directly next to Marisa to upload a meme law. At no point should there have been any concern of subversion from that console.

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Re: [Kangtut] YakumoChen Note Appeal

Unread postby Yakumo_Chen » Tue Oct 30, 2018 7:07 pm #450483

Malkraz wrote:This round wasn't just an issue for the AI. Marisa was bent on taking multiple people out of the round for absolutely shit reasons and dead chat was filled with lamentations (even from uninvolved parties) about how this player was solely responsible for making the round unfun. This isn't the first time I or anyone has run into this sort of garbage rule 1 approaching behavior from this player so the note is justified.

EDIT: imsxz are you referring to the console in robotics? that was built by the clown directly next to Marisa to upload a meme law. At no point should there have been any concern of subversion from that console.

Did we play the dame round? Here's a list of people I removed. Tell me if I missed any:

-assistant in the armoury
-clown for uploading laws, which the AI made active attempts to resist, then used the AI to escape sentence (this was also just perma)
-lavaland beach bum harassing security then escaping arrest by stealing my baton and attacking security
-the ai

Seems like a reasonable and short list?

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Re: [Kangtut] YakumoChen Note Appeal

Unread postby somerandomguy » Tue Oct 30, 2018 7:43 pm #450497

imsxz wrote:
Lazengann wrote:The rule about killing silicons is below

Spoiler:
As a nonantagonist human, killing or detonating silicons in the presence of a viable and reasonably expedient alternative and without cause to be concerned of potential subversion is a violation of Server Rule 1.


There was a public AI console, that's potential subversion if I've ever seen it.

And also a much easier alternative

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Re: [Kangtut] YakumoChen Note Appeal

Unread postby Kangtut » Tue Oct 30, 2018 11:40 pm #450600

The issue is that you had several ways to approach this situation. As far as I'm concerned the main issue is with you and the AI. The people who were killed have no bearing on this note. The main conflict was the AI banter and that could have been avoided in several way: Ignore it, upload laws to fix it, take care of the people giving conflicting orders, or even ahelp it. You chose for a permanent solution and it was not the correct choice. As for the part of the note you disagree with - I do not disagree with it. Just about any time you play RD, Captain or HoS you go out of your way to acquire as many items to help you powergame and secure as many valids as you can. It's especially bad when you play captain because you feel that you are a part of sec and previous ahelps reflect that.

Overall this note is fine by me and you need to stop taking this game so seriously for your own health.

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Re: [Kangtut] YakumoChen Note Appeal

Unread postby actioninja » Wed Oct 31, 2018 1:43 am #450652

I was in this round, I died early due to various bad decisions unrelated to Marisa so I got to witness a lot of fuckery firsthand. There's a pretty big detail of this round that I feel like is being glossed over, which is that it was an announced extended round. While announced extended is basically the greytide signal, this doesn't give security the license to execute anyone who attempts to subvert them.
The one kill that I think you were straight up justified for is the bat in the armory, people who keep abusing the Halloween races just for shit like that are the worst. If they're going to abuse something intended to be silly fun like that, they deserve the harsh punishment.
The rest are significantly more questionable. Your first response to being beaten by anyone in any manner is to permanently remove them. Clown used the AI to escape an unjustified perma? Better kill him. A beach bum I arrested for no good reason managed to wrestle a baton away from me, stunned two officers, then made a break for it instead of just killing me there when they could have easily? Better kill them. The AI keeps making fun of me because they have law 2 requests to? Better card and kill them.
All of this on extended. Where you know anyone doing minor offenses like these aren't doing it so they can go stab their target, but just to have a fun round. I've seen less aggressive of spacing on confirmed revs.
If you're absolutely hell-bent on being the most hyperactive shitcurity to ever live anyways, there are far better of actions to take than immediately jumping to killing them because you're butthurt. You could go through proper executive approval for an execution and actually do lethal injection, you could publicly guillotine them, you could rip their heart out in some insane Aztec sacrifice, and that's literally just options if you're completely determined to kill them. The gulag exists, lawyers never have enough to do, nuggeting is a cruel but fun punishment, there are a lot of options you have to keep the player on the round and interacting even if it means fucking them over pretty hard.
You never technically broke any rules (besides rule 1 but it's so subjective it's basically just an admin catch all), but you consistently made the most unpleasant for the other party choice every single time you could. You even went out of your way to police completely harmless behavior just because it irritated you personally. I've been banned for more minor of offenses, that you just got a warning to calm the fuck down should be seen as a gift when you made the game so unpleasant for anybody who had the misfortune of interacting with you.

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Re: [Kangtut] YakumoChen Note Appeal

Unread postby Yakumo_Chen » Wed Oct 31, 2018 1:44 am #450653

Ignore it,
why should I? It's not fair to have the AI spend it's entire round making me miserable for no fucking reason. The AI was actively ruining the experience for me the entire round and basically trying to get me lynched. Tell me why I should play the game and endure someone harassing me for a literal hour non-stop and be punished for taking action?

upload laws to fix it,
the whole problem was the AI skirting its laws. You know what the last straw was for me?
The AI was ordered by two people to stop harassing me. So, to attempt to skirt it's law, it sent the Borg to execution to find a corpse.
A corpse cannot be harmed.
A corpse cannot be prevented from harm.

The AI used the corpse as justification anyway to ignore law 2 and continue to harass me.
Why do you say more laws would help when it's intent was to try and find a loophole no matter what? It wasn't even a valid loophole.

take care of the people giving conflicting orders,
the player doing this had told it to stop talking about me. An order which the AI promptly went to try and skirt by any means regardless.

or even ahelp it.
I did this most of an hour before and nobody was on. By the time you finally responded I was wiping the AI

. As for the part of the note you disagree with - I do not disagree with it.
I don't care, it has no business being in the context of the note, your opinion has nothing to do with the round or the note. you weren't even present in the round to have any context of powergaming and I wasn't even powergaming during that shift because I had no reason to - it was extended.
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Re: [Kangtut] YakumoChen Note Appeal

Unread postby Yakumo_Chen » Wed Oct 31, 2018 1:53 am #450654

actioninja wrote:Clown used the AI to escape an unjustified perma?

1) It was a gulag sentence they used the AI to escape
2) They weren't killed, they were put in perma
3) Fucking with AI laws and using the AI to escape brig is more then enough justification for perma.

A beach bum I arrested for no good reason managed to wrestle a baton away from me, stunned two officers, then made a break for it instead of just killing me there when they could have easily? Better kill them.
He was arrested for harassing security and was enough of a threat to justify it. Lavaland roles should not be coming to the station to griff unless they're ash liggers anyhow.

As Kang said, the people "valided" have nothing to do with the content of the note anyhow.

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Re: [Kangtut] YakumoChen Note Appeal

Unread postby actioninja » Wed Oct 31, 2018 2:18 am #450660

My post wasn't about whether the salid was valid, it was about you acting like a dickhead.
I was still alive for the clown chronicles and so never saw it directly. I got a couple details wrong but it doesn't change that you gulaged the clown for harmless law changes on extended.
The beach bum, however I saw all of. He was arrested for "harassing security" which is reasonable. Beach Bums are dumb fratbros, getting in fights with cops is hilarious. Then while in a cell they shoved you, stunned you, and then immediately ran. They didn't go for the finish, harmbaton you, strip you, they batoned and ran. Then apparently once you successfully doubleteamed him in maint, his immediate attempt to run makes him spaceworthy. Then once you space him, you lie in common about what happened to make him seem like an idiot.
Just a bit of advice, "I wasn't even powergaming this round" is not a good look when you're trying to appeal a note that calls you out for powergaming.

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Re: [Kangtut] YakumoChen Note Appeal

Unread postby Kangtut » Wed Oct 31, 2018 2:57 am #450673

actioninja
There's a pretty big detail of this round that I feel like is being glossed over, which is that it was an announced extended round.

The reason I failed to bring this up is because it is irrelevant. The action taken by Yakumo would be unacceptable under any round type.

Yakumo_Chen
why should I?

Because there is no point in getting bent out of shape over comments that aren't even insulting. The worst it did was say you were secretly a cat girl. The rest was slightly lewd comments regarding your character's features.
The AI was actively ruining the experience for me the entire round and basically trying to get me lynched

It said you were a cat once or twice and as I said in the ticket and as the logs showed - nothing came of it.
Tell me why I should play the game and endure someone harassing me for a literal hour non-stop and be punished for taking action?

Because it was barely harassment to begin with and the action you took was over the line.

the whole problem was the AI skirting its laws.

Had you used an upload solution and it continued to ignore those laws then you would have had a solid case for killing it. Instead you have next to no justification other than your feelings were hurt.

I don't care, it has no business being in the context of the note, your opinion has nothing to do with the round or the note. you weren't even present in the round to have any context of powergaming and I wasn't even powergaming during that shift because I had no reason to - it was extended.

That part most certainly deserves to be in there because it's part of the reason you went to kill the AI instead of seeking alternate solutions beyond threatening to kill it. The issue should be brought to your attention in some way and instead of just making a separate note I decided to include it in this one. You don't even deny that you do these things as the RD, Cap or HoS and that is why I'm leaving it as is. If you feel it paints you in a bad light then try to change how you play.

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Re: [Kangtut] YakumoChen Note Appeal

Unread postby Malkraz » Wed Oct 31, 2018 3:12 am #450685

Action hit the nail on the head. Every time the station has the misfortune of having Marisa in a position with any power, he feels compelled to play admin-lite and dish out a 30 minute ban to anyone who dares annoy him. I've given Fred shit for his questionable escalation in the past but you really take the cake and you take A LOT. While you don't tend to break any rules, you make it your MO to deny anybody you don't like the ability to play the game.
In regards to the Clown situation, I had built an upload fully aware that you were in the room the entire time, and used it to upload the law "The clown is your friend :)". This of course gave you the opportunity to get your valid salad tossed, so you wordlessly tased me and took me away, not a care in the world for taking 2 clicks to see what was on the law board. After gulagging me for god knows how many points, one of the borgs then came to rescue me from lavaland because they still had the law that you didn't give 2 shits about. After escaping by disarming and running past 2 people, you felt this was grounds for a perma sentence all over a dopey joke law. There were multiple steps in this process where you could've taken any other action that could've been humorous and kept players in the round, but that isn't what you play the game for.
For a little more context on the consistency of your valid fever (since the pattern is what's used to justify the note), on a different round I had hacked through a door into the captain's room near roundstart while you were still in it. I then immediately stopped multiple tiles away from you and said "hello", signalling that I wasn't a threat and didn't have an intention to escalate. The automaton then wordlessly lethal'd me, dragged me into the Gateway room and stuffed my corpse into the locker, ensuring that I wasn't going to get to play this entire round. Not even a second taken to strip and search for any traitor gear to see if I was actually a threat, because that's not what your game is about. While this didn't break any rules and was (maybe) covered by escalation policy, you instantaneously chose the most dickish option you possibly could have. In my ~600 hours of play I have never once encountered anybody else who goes right to round removal as quickly as you do, and despite being an absolute tideshitter I would never even consider doing this to somebody unless they were a big and consistent danger to myself or the crew. I don't know if you don't realize there's another person on the other side of the interaction, or if you just don't care.
Yakumo_Chen wrote:It's not fair to have the AI spend it's entire round making me miserable for no fucking reason. The AI was actively ruining the experience for me the entire round and basically trying to get me lynched.

All that said, I have to give some credit where it's due. Phobos goes out of their way to be obnoxious as possible to whoever this round's obsession is, especially as AI. I can understand getting fed up with it. However, I really don't think them being annoying to you (see the opening statement) makes them valid for death. Consider there's possibly something about your behavior that causes people to "make you miserable" and "harass" you when this is the route you always take.

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